Autopsy Round 22 - Post Match against Essendon

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StingBitten

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Blakely is lost down back, just has no right being there.

We moved on Barlow when he had another 3-4 years for this kid because he was killing it at the centre bounce. And now he's languishing in a nowhere role.

He looks slow in the same vein Mundy looks slow but makes things work, but in a high intensity role down back he can't thrive. Needs to be put in the guts.
 

Dale147

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Felt we were just going through the motions, a definite lack of interest among the group, will probably be at least 2 to come in next week as RTB has indicated Ballas and Sandi won’t play next week.
 

BlueE

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Just the Freo cycle of delisting mature age hacks with no skills so we can draft or trade in more mature age hacks with no skills.
Both Brady Grey and Josh DeLuca still only 23! Isn't Colyer 28, Conca 27?

Both played out of position and they've had impressive games in WAFL when in different positions. Now Josh back at AFL and maybe Grey?

We also lost years of cohesiveness from substituting players who've played together for years with one's that haven't.
 

PapaJ

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One other thing.. Singing the club song, after a loss, is a big no no. Sure two greats retired. But that's such a losing culture. We're so prideful in celebrating our players. Not after a loss. That was pathetic tbh
lol WUT?

That can't be true. Surely.
It was clearly for the sake of the retiring greats. Can't remember if its been done before, but didn't seem too out of place given the attention in the stadium had clearly shifted from the game to Balla and Sandi. Better to have gone without it, but meh, wasn't the worst thing on the night.

It was sure as heck better than 'Better Man' for the lap of honour ... WTF!

It reminds me of the beer add (was it Sol?) that originally had "Pumped Up Kicks" apparently oblivious or nonchalant to the actual song's meaning.
 

BlueE

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It's worth looking at the Mongrel Punt review of the game from a neutral who's seem most of our games this year.

Fremantle looked to make three mistakes on the night that proved fatal

Number one - Their incredibly poor ball use that led to a resounding victory on conversion – the Dockers scoring a goal only with every 8.5 entries, while the efficient Bombers saluted every 3.7 times they went into their forward 50

Number two - The selection of retirees, Aaron Sandilands and Haydn Ballantyne. While I’m a sentimentalist and love the way clubs can and fans can honour their heroes, there is no doubt this selection decision compromised the Dockers ambitions of winning the game. Both looked like the game had passed them by, and their errors far outweighed the lift their teammates would have received in playing out the last rites of their career in front of an adoring crowd. That is not to suggest one poor match will reduce their legacy in any way, in fact the tribute post-siren will provide a lasting and fitting exclamation point to two great careers in the purple.

Number three - The perhaps ill-fated marketing decision to fish the original awful purple, green and red anchor guernseys out of museum notoriety saw the players resemble their less than successful forbearers in an otherwise below average performance.

The Bombers’ fierce attack on player and ball, along with their sound defensive structures and lightning fast ball movement are a credit to the coaching staff who turned around last week’s insipid display to confirm this side will play finals in 2019.

Fremantle, despite the comprehensive nature of the loss can take positives from their complete domination of the ruck. They were +41 hit outs, +14 in clearances (highest ever recorded differential for a losing team), and +10 in 1%ers.

If not for the woeful decision making and lack of poise the result might have been very different.

Great credit must be given to Ambrose for his commitment to the task, and this was best illustrated by the non-stop harassment that led to a woeful skill error as Fyfe was streaming away from a clearance, hitting the wrong half of his foot with the ball curling to the boundary, rather than another dangerous forward 50 entry. The resultant free kick for deliberate also perfectly illustrated umpire Margetts complete lack of understanding for AFL that he repeatedly reminds us of weekly.

Last night he was serviceable and far from his team’s worst. Actually contributing some of Fremantle’s best highlights, most notably multiple spoils on McDonald-Tipungwuti in front of goal, and his persistence after dropping an easy mark to become the outlet option which ended in a shot on goal by Crowden. However, there were also two diabolical defensive howlers that led directly to Bomber goals, one an ill-fated spoiling attempt where he barrelled his teammate, setting AMT free for the easy snap, and secondly a dreadful skill error turning the ball over inside Essendon’s forward 50.

How he is used in 2020 will be a must-watch for Freo fans.

Saad vs Hill

Hill is averaging career highs in disposals, clearances, Rebound 50 exits, and Inside 50 entries, along with 481 metres gained and 1.1 running bounces per game. Meanwhile Saad is also averaging career highs in disposals, tackles and Rebound 50s, while returning 345 metres gained and 1.8 running bounces.

Last night the difference was in the ball use. Hill’s 32 touches at a staggeringly low 46% were symptomatic of the Dockers struggles, while Saad’s 27 possessions were at the crisp rate of 89% efficiency. To Hill’s credit he remained involved until the final siren, and contributed eight inside 50s and 538 metres, he was just lacking his usual accuracy and deft touch which may also be a result of the Bombers defensive organisation.

Saad, however, had no such problems, storming through the middle of the ground with disdain for the chasing mob, collecting six bounces alongside 505 metres and delivering the ball lace out to Stringer at the top of the square for the play of the day.





 

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So frustrating watching our team pass off to Langdon. This is what good midfields do. Win the contested possession and dish off to the wingers.

The problem is that Langdon is an absolute potato. He makes s**t decisions and has the worst skills in the team. I would give a 2nd round pick to Melbourne just for them to take him off our list.

Watching him receive the ball over and over to then butcher it going forward, over and over.

A good team simply cannot function with an outside midfielder as unskilled as he is.

Improve our outside mids, get some good smalls. We have the bones of a good side and we saw it earlier in the season.
 

Dale147

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It's worth looking at the Mongrel Punt review of the game from a neutral who's seem most of our games this year.

Fremantle looked to make three mistakes on the night that proved fatal

Number one - Their incredibly poor ball use that led to a resounding victory on conversion – the Dockers scoring a goal only with every 8.5 entries, while the efficient Bombers saluted every 3.7 times they went into their forward 50

Number two - The selection of retirees, Aaron Sandilands and Haydn Ballantyne. While I’m a sentimentalist and love the way clubs can and fans can honour their heroes, there is no doubt this selection decision compromised the Dockers ambitions of winning the game. Both looked like the game had passed them by, and their errors far outweighed the lift their teammates would have received in playing out the last rites of their career in front of an adoring crowd. That is not to suggest one poor match will reduce their legacy in any way, in fact the tribute post-siren will provide a lasting and fitting exclamation point to two great careers in the purple.

Number three - The perhaps ill-fated marketing decision to fish the original awful purple, green and red anchor guernseys out of museum notoriety saw the players resemble their less than successful forbearers in an otherwise below average performance.

The Bombers’ fierce attack on player and ball, along with their sound defensive structures and lightning fast ball movement are a credit to the coaching staff who turned around last week’s insipid display to confirm this side will play finals in 2019.

Fremantle, despite the comprehensive nature of the loss can take positives from their complete domination of the ruck. They were +41 hit outs, +14 in clearances (highest ever recorded differential for a losing team), and +10 in 1%ers.

If not for the woeful decision making and lack of poise the result might have been very different.

Great credit must be given to Ambrose for his commitment to the task, and this was best illustrated by the non-stop harassment that led to a woeful skill error as Fyfe was streaming away from a clearance, hitting the wrong half of his foot with the ball curling to the boundary, rather than another dangerous forward 50 entry. The resultant free kick for deliberate also perfectly illustrated umpire Margetts complete lack of understanding for AFL that he repeatedly reminds us of weekly.

Last night he was serviceable and far from his team’s worst. Actually contributing some of Fremantle’s best highlights, most notably multiple spoils on McDonald-Tipungwuti in front of goal, and his persistence after dropping an easy mark to become the outlet option which ended in a shot on goal by Crowden. However, there were also two diabolical defensive howlers that led directly to Bomber goals, one an ill-fated spoiling attempt where he barrelled his teammate, setting AMT free for the easy snap, and secondly a dreadful skill error turning the ball over inside Essendon’s forward 50.

How he is used in 2020 will be a must-watch for Freo fans.


Saad vs Hill

Hill is averaging career highs in disposals, clearances, Rebound 50 exits, and Inside 50 entries, along with 481 metres gained and 1.1 running bounces per game. Meanwhile Saad is also averaging career highs in disposals, tackles and Rebound 50s, while returning 345 metres gained and 1.8 running bounces.

Last night the difference was in the ball use. Hill’s 32 touches at a staggeringly low 46% were symptomatic of the Dockers struggles, while Saad’s 27 possessions were at the crisp rate of 89% efficiency. To Hill’s credit he remained involved until the final siren, and contributed eight inside 50s and 538 metres, he was just lacking his usual accuracy and deft touch which may also be a result of the Bombers defensive organisation.

Saad, however, had no such problems, storming through the middle of the ground with disdain for the chasing mob, collecting six bounces alongside 505 metres and delivering the ball lace out to Stringer at the top of the square for the play of the day.
Love the small snipe about Margetts, acknowledging what we all already know.
 

Scham

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It's worth looking at the Mongrel Punt review of the game from a neutral who's seem most of our games this year.

Fremantle looked to make three mistakes on the night that proved fatal

Number one - Their incredibly poor ball use that led to a resounding victory on conversion – the Dockers scoring a goal only with every 8.5 entries, while the efficient Bombers saluted every 3.7 times they went into their forward 50

Number two - The selection of retirees, Aaron Sandilands and Haydn Ballantyne. While I’m a sentimentalist and love the way clubs can and fans can honour their heroes, there is no doubt this selection decision compromised the Dockers ambitions of winning the game. Both looked like the game had passed them by, and their errors far outweighed the lift their teammates would have received in playing out the last rites of their career in front of an adoring crowd. That is not to suggest one poor match will reduce their legacy in any way, in fact the tribute post-siren will provide a lasting and fitting exclamation point to two great careers in the purple.

Number three - The perhaps ill-fated marketing decision to fish the original awful purple, green and red anchor guernseys out of museum notoriety saw the players resemble their less than successful forbearers in an otherwise below average performance.

The Bombers’ fierce attack on player and ball, along with their sound defensive structures and lightning fast ball movement are a credit to the coaching staff who turned around last week’s insipid display to confirm this side will play finals in 2019.

Fremantle, despite the comprehensive nature of the loss can take positives from their complete domination of the ruck. They were +41 hit outs, +14 in clearances (highest ever recorded differential for a losing team), and +10 in 1%ers.

If not for the woeful decision making and lack of poise the result might have been very different.

Great credit must be given to Ambrose for his commitment to the task, and this was best illustrated by the non-stop harassment that led to a woeful skill error as Fyfe was streaming away from a clearance, hitting the wrong half of his foot with the ball curling to the boundary, rather than another dangerous forward 50 entry. The resultant free kick for deliberate also perfectly illustrated umpire Margetts complete lack of understanding for AFL that he repeatedly reminds us of weekly.

Last night he was serviceable and far from his team’s worst. Actually contributing some of Fremantle’s best highlights, most notably multiple spoils on McDonald-Tipungwuti in front of goal, and his persistence after dropping an easy mark to become the outlet option which ended in a shot on goal by Crowden. However, there were also two diabolical defensive howlers that led directly to Bomber goals, one an ill-fated spoiling attempt where he barrelled his teammate, setting AMT free for the easy snap, and secondly a dreadful skill error turning the ball over inside Essendon’s forward 50.

How he is used in 2020 will be a must-watch for Freo fans.


Saad vs Hill

Hill is averaging career highs in disposals, clearances, Rebound 50 exits, and Inside 50 entries, along with 481 metres gained and 1.1 running bounces per game. Meanwhile Saad is also averaging career highs in disposals, tackles and Rebound 50s, while returning 345 metres gained and 1.8 running bounces.

Last night the difference was in the ball use. Hill’s 32 touches at a staggeringly low 46% were symptomatic of the Dockers struggles, while Saad’s 27 possessions were at the crisp rate of 89% efficiency. To Hill’s credit he remained involved until the final siren, and contributed eight inside 50s and 538 metres, he was just lacking his usual accuracy and deft touch which may also be a result of the Bombers defensive organisation.

Saad, however, had no such problems, storming through the middle of the ground with disdain for the chasing mob, collecting six bounces alongside 505 metres and delivering the ball lace out to Stringer at the top of the square for the play of the day.

Very good assessment.
 

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FreoRicci

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Both Brady Grey and Josh DeLuca still only 23! Isn't Colyer 28, Conca 27?

Both played out of position and they've had impressive games in WAFL when in different positions. Now Josh back at AFL and maybe Grey?

We also lost years of cohesiveness from substituting players who've played together for years with one's that haven't.
Conca I don't mind. But he got gifted his defensive midfield role, which we could've easily just put De Luca or Grey in. But Colyer was such a kick in the gut. WA boy that we just traded for, at 28. WTF. Hardly players we needed. Compunded that with Schulz who's the same age anyway.

We could've drafted a natural small forward in Ian Hill.
 

freoextra

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Indeed, how could anyone have been worse than Shultz? What's the point of having a bunch of mature types who help us get a stack more contested possessions than the opposition when none of them know how to kick a goal?
Tries hard but not AFL standard. Adds nothing to the team, you can see glimpses of talent with Switta I see none in Schultz. We are a team of midgets why not give Dixon a go this week instead.
 

PapaJ

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Conca I don't mind. But he got gifted his defensive midfield role, which we could've easily just put De Luca or Grey in. But Colyer was such a kick in the gut. WA boy that we just traded for, at 28. WTF. Hardly players we needed. Compunded that with Schulz who's the same age anyway.

We could've drafted a natural small forward in Ian Hill.
Basically agree, but just to nitpick because I've got nothing better to do ...

Schultz at 21 is younger than all those players mentioned (only a few, but still). And after only 1 year in an AFL system, I think you could argue Schultz has shown more than the other two at the same stage - but nothing to say that he's going to be much better, I'll grant you that.

Colyer on the other hand, yeah, not much reason for him to be on our list. Was hopeful he'd be a contributor earlier in the year and, in fairness, he was, but he quickly showed the same qualities (or lack there of) he had at Essendon.

Final nitpick, I would have liked to see Deluca given a bit more of a go, but I don't think he could ever play Conca type role. Just doesn't have the hardness or mindset - Grey yes.
 
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wafti123

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We don't seem to have many players who love the club and get as passionate about the outcome as the supporters. We used to have several of these Michael Barlow/Mzungu/Pav/Cook/Farmer types but now it's pretty much Walters and Fyfe.

It seems to be just a job to some of the squad. Maybe it comes with familiarity and time with the team. Maybe a lot of the squad didn't care for Freo growing up. Who knows, but I agree with what others have said about the lack of Freo X factor at the moment.
 

Funkster

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A lot of comment on some of the younger players like Brayshaw, Duman or Blakely, but I was disappointed with some of the more seasoned players like Fyfe, Hamling, Mundy, Hill and even Sandi and Balla. All of them were good in parts, but did a lot of things wrong too. Sandi missed a goal dead in front when there was still some hope, Balla is past it so don't expect much, but when he had his chances he blew it. Fyfe and Mundy gave up the ball when they shouldn't have. Hill seemed to work hard as usual, but was not picking good options all night.

You can't have the top shelf players playing average and expect the inexperienced team to pick up the slack, espeically against a team that was switched on like Essendon.
 

Johnny Dalmas

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A lot of comment on some of the younger players like Brayshaw, Duman or Blakely, but I was disappointed with some of the more seasoned players like Fyfe, Hamling, Mundy, Hill and even Sandi and Balla. All of them were good in parts, but did a lot of things wrong too. Sandi missed a goal dead in front when there was still some hope, Balla is past it so don't expect much, but when he had his chances he blew it. Fyfe and Mundy gave up the ball when they shouldn't have. Hill seemed to work hard as usual, but was not picking good options all night.

You can't have the top shelf players playing average and expect the inexperienced team to pick up the slack, espeically against a team that was switched on like Essendon.
Perhaps some of those "top shelf" players might not be as top shelf as we fans think they are.
 

Johnny Dalmas

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Conca I don't mind. But he got gifted his defensive midfield role, which we could've easily just put De Luca or Grey in. But Colyer was such a kick in the gut. WA boy that we just traded for, at 28. WTF. Hardly players we needed. Compunded that with Schulz who's the same age anyway.

We could've drafted a natural small forward in Ian Hill.
If we want to play a full-time defensive mid should we have persisted with Banfield and found a different role for Conca
 

Johnny Dalmas

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Blakely is lost down back, just has no right being there.

We moved on Barlow when he had another 3-4 years for this kid because he was killing it at the centre bounce. And now he's languishing in a nowhere role.

He looks slow in the same vein Mundy looks slow but makes things work, but in a high intensity role down back he can't thrive. Needs to be put in the guts.
You have to think that the reason we re-signed Blakely is because we view his long term future as a midfielder.

Because he is a de-list as a half-back
 

Cheesewheel

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Only 2 pages?

Nobody cares anymore.

Members and fans are becoming desensitized and disillusioned with this Fremantle team and are dropping away, you can't show me any stats or figures to convince me otherwise.
I don't think I've ever heard a footy crowd of 48k sound as flat as our crowd in the 4th quarter. By half way through the 4th no one in my block gave even the tiniest s**t about what was happening on the field.
 

Daddoo

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It's worth looking at the Mongrel Punt review of the game from a neutral who's seem most of our games this year.

Fremantle looked to make three mistakes on the night that proved fatal

Number one - Their incredibly poor ball use that led to a resounding victory on conversion – the Dockers scoring a goal only with every 8.5 entries, while the efficient Bombers saluted every 3.7 times they went into their forward 50

Number two - The selection of retirees, Aaron Sandilands and Haydn Ballantyne. While I’m a sentimentalist and love the way clubs can and fans can honour their heroes, there is no doubt this selection decision compromised the Dockers ambitions of winning the game. Both looked like the game had passed them by, and their errors far outweighed the lift their teammates would have received in playing out the last rites of their career in front of an adoring crowd. That is not to suggest one poor match will reduce their legacy in any way, in fact the tribute post-siren will provide a lasting and fitting exclamation point to two great careers in the purple.

Number three - The perhaps ill-fated marketing decision to fish the original awful purple, green and red anchor guernseys out of museum notoriety saw the players resemble their less than successful forbearers in an otherwise below average performance.

The Bombers’ fierce attack on player and ball, along with their sound defensive structures and lightning fast ball movement are a credit to the coaching staff who turned around last week’s insipid display to confirm this side will play finals in 2019.

Fremantle, despite the comprehensive nature of the loss can take positives from their complete domination of the ruck. They were +41 hit outs, +14 in clearances (highest ever recorded differential for a losing team), and +10 in 1%ers.

If not for the woeful decision making and lack of poise the result might have been very different.

Great credit must be given to Ambrose for his commitment to the task, and this was best illustrated by the non-stop harassment that led to a woeful skill error as Fyfe was streaming away from a clearance, hitting the wrong half of his foot with the ball curling to the boundary, rather than another dangerous forward 50 entry. The resultant free kick for deliberate also perfectly illustrated umpire Margetts complete lack of understanding for AFL that he repeatedly reminds us of weekly.

Last night he was serviceable and far from his team’s worst. Actually contributing some of Fremantle’s best highlights, most notably multiple spoils on McDonald-Tipungwuti in front of goal, and his persistence after dropping an easy mark to become the outlet option which ended in a shot on goal by Crowden. However, there were also two diabolical defensive howlers that led directly to Bomber goals, one an ill-fated spoiling attempt where he barrelled his teammate, setting AMT free for the easy snap, and secondly a dreadful skill error turning the ball over inside Essendon’s forward 50.

How he is used in 2020 will be a must-watch for Freo fans.

Saad vs Hill

Hill is averaging career highs in disposals, clearances, Rebound 50 exits, and Inside 50 entries, along with 481 metres gained and 1.1 running bounces per game. Meanwhile Saad is also averaging career highs in disposals, tackles and Rebound 50s, while returning 345 metres gained and 1.8 running bounces.

Last night the difference was in the ball use. Hill’s 32 touches at a staggeringly low 46% were symptomatic of the Dockers struggles, while Saad’s 27 possessions were at the crisp rate of 89% efficiency. To Hill’s credit he remained involved until the final siren, and contributed eight inside 50s and 538 metres, he was just lacking his usual accuracy and deft touch which may also be a result of the Bombers defensive organisation.

Saad, however, had no such problems, storming through the middle of the ground with disdain for the chasing mob, collecting six bounces alongside 505 metres and delivering the ball lace out to Stringer at the top of the square for the play of the day.





Spot on on his analysis of Cerra. Actually overall I can’t disagree with much in that article. Thanks for passing it on.


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com
 

westy1

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One other thing.. Singing the club song, after a loss, is a big no no. Sure two greats retired. But that's such a losing culture. We're so prideful in celebrating our players. Not after a loss. That was pathetic tbh
haha i turned to my mate (we've been to pretty well every freo final together and most derbies) and has a laugh about it,
ahh well thats what we do at freo we both said with a little mirth, both agreed we'd be back for the same farce next year, glad we don't support those cretins up the road, and happy that with a bit of luck we can move our seats back about 3 rows to be out of the rain next year ,
every loss has a silver lining:drunk:
 

SiempreFreo

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Perhaps some of those "top shelf" players might not be as top shelf as we fans think they are.
Our top shelf players - and Fyfe, Walters, Hamling and Mundy* are demonstrably that - have been shouldering a huge load all season. The less-than-adequate support from lesser skilled players would be dispiriting. And tiring.

*Hill is normally in this bracket but on Sunday he looked dazed much of the time. Not one of his admirable performances.
 

Nolo180

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Our top shelf players - and Fyfe, Walters, Hamling and Mundy* are demonstrably that - have been shouldering a huge load all season. The less-than-adequate support from lesser skilled players would be dispiriting. And tiring.

*Hill is normally in this bracket but on Sunday he looked dazed much of the time. Not one of his admirable performances.
True the above players are the main reason we were in with a shot of playing finals. But Mundy has been shot since the media started talking about his career best form around the halfway mark of the season. But at his age he was always gonna tire as the season wore on. Moving him to the key FWD position the last couple of weeks hasnt helped either.

Hambling hasnt really been the same since Pearce got injured in rd11. Sure hes had a few good games since but he looks to be missing Pearces leadership down back and they had a good chemistry going. Everytime I look up now Logue, Duman or Hughes are spoiling him or crashing the pack when hes set for a mark. So frustrating watching how disorganised they are down back especially since good defensive structures have always been Lyons trademark.

On a positive note its good to see Pearce resign. The season started to derail when he got injured we need him badly.
 

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