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That doesn't work for this site - things never add up to 100%.The question is the list bad because we recruited poorly or we poorly developed the recruits. I reckon it's a 30/70 split respectively.
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That doesn't work for this site - things never add up to 100%.The question is the list bad because we recruited poorly or we poorly developed the recruits. I reckon it's a 30/70 split respectively.
The question is the list bad because we recruited poorly or we poorly developed the recruits. I reckon it's a 30/70 split respectively.
He posted (bragged)on this thread that he had called someone out to meet up and they were to chicken and p1ss week to agree
There's been two very public instances of it. There's proof.
Bloody Russians, or was it the Chinese?And it’s not even true anyway that people from club land don’t care about social media and chat boards. The 76’ers social media controversy shows clubs and presidents love to try and manipulate opinions on boards and social media when they can:
On Bryan Colangelo's Twitter controversy, NBA sources say 'the damage is done'
The Twitter scandal enveloping the 76ers puts Colangelo's job in serious jeopardy and could affect the team's pursuit of free agent-to-be LeBron James.www.inquirer.com
I agree and normally I'd be banging the drum like you for supporter support, but this week I got a full taste of the frustration of the disenchanted - not a whiff like the smell of a BBQ in the neighbourhood but a confronting and complex hot mess that you have time to analyse like when you are obliged to eat the "dinner" your 8 y.o. son made you.A low membership base is no good irrespective of the teams on field performance.
Does cancelling your membership improve the chances of us getting better people into the club?
With less money coming through, are we able to pump money back into the football department?
Will we be able to hire people of better quality/experience?
How about our sponsors? What are the chances we sign better sponsors or more lucrative off-field deals?
We will need to keep doing things like playing in China and looking at other obscure ways to earn money because we don't have the support from our fans.
We're all in this together. The club needs to get better but it can't get better without any money or a strong backing from it's fans.
People can be in denial about that fact if they want. That's not my problem. It's obvious how much a club is affected by a low membership base.
After reading this thread, i am tempted to step straight back into prison
And just close myself alltogether from the outside world!
For what it's worth!
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their mind
Getting so much resistance from behind!
Is this the Autopsy thread
if there complaints to be made use the report button on the btm left , I think that is what it is for.
I would maybe suggest you follow your own advice hereAnd that is all well and good. Reporting is good.
I would suggest that a couple of posters may want to have all facts in front of them before sprouting crap whilst the person who is being badmouthed can't actually stick up for themselves due to a suspension. Comes across as weak.
That isn't directed at you btw.
People use team performance as a point on whether they spend money or not. Right now there will be thousands of saints members going "Was this year worth spending *Insert thier cost of membership* for or could that money go to something else"Sure, and that's not what I'm arguing.
I missed whatever went on, I watched a movie with my wife.
When I read the thread this morning we had a few who had been given a holiday, not particularly uncommon on here.
I would maybe suggest you follow your own advice here
You have come in very late on this one and many many post have been removed, maybe ask yourself why some have been suspended
And maybe you shouldn't be calling people weak without knowing the facts, comes across as foolish
Again follow your own adviceHahaha you might be surprised how much I actually know. And perhaps a lot more than yourself. I would suggest that before going off halfcocked and trying to be all high and mighty about it.
If there is one that should be perma banned it isn't the one you are hoping for.
Again follow your own advice
Have a great night won't reply to you again
Well there's plenty wrong with this post.I agree and normally I'd be banging the drum like you for supporter support, but this week I got a full taste of the frustration of the disenchanted - not a whiff like the smell of a BBQ in the neighbourhood but a confronting and complex hot mess that you have time to analyse like when you are obliged to eat the "dinner" your 8 y.o. son made you.
A loyal helper like yourself might have difficulty relating to this, but it's possible that the folks threatening to cash out and leave don't care what happens to the club, and would be indifferent to its destruction.
I remember watching a TV report aghast in the weeks of the SOS campaign back in the 90s. The bit that shocked me was the Vox Pop. An elderly supporter said something like "I don't care if the club get merged or die out, they've caused me enough heartache, I can't take anymore!"
At the time I just couldn't comprehend that level of disenchantment, like when you see in some TV drama parents giving up on their junkie son. I couldn't understand why you could abandon something you loved.
But it stayed with me, knocking around in the back of my mind, a faint bell ringing whenever the club's situation started getting mouldy.
Its one thing for the club to fail because of bad breaks like the 09/10 GFs - every club has poor luck that costs dearly. And it's one thing to have certain eras of incompetence or disfunction. But time and time again, we go three steps forward, two back through bad appointments, poor governance, shambolic recruitment, or simply no clear direction as a club.
Sometimes you just want to cut your ties and leave them to their fate, whatever it may be. It's an emotive stance but it's an emotional pasttime, and football support without emotions would merely be a pov version of the stock market.
We have heard in the last two years of the club busting their arses trying to communicate with lapsed members and long-term members and bring them back which is admirable. It must burn the boilers if the folks at the club who did all that hard work to see games like yesterday where players don't put in. All that work.
Since 2011, all that we've had is bulls**t with nuggets of gold here and there. The Carlisle trade was great, the Snapchat scandal and subsequent injuries not so much. Is he ECO or just injured? Either way now, expendable.
Billings is one of our most skilled players and now one of our leaders, Gresh is one of our best too. Neither are consistently match winners for us and often go missing. Can we expect the same from Clark and Coffield?
Our drafting has been good the last couple of years from the high and low ends but we're still paying dearly for the Trout years and before. Our recent future is littered with paid professionals who have taken our club nowhere good. Cox, the cricket guy that we thought would make a great footy ops manager. Dixon the goalkicking specialist who couldn't teach a baby to suckle its mother's test. Richardson who created a team in his image: hard, willing, positive, dull, linear, rigid, brittle, limited.
How long have we had goalkicking problems, skill problems, decision making problems? Leadership problems? Years. Anything the club has done to address this has failed.
And when we do get it right, the AFL changes the rules to screw us, exhibit A: the 3rd man up ruck rules. Exhibit B, umpiring, noted in 2018.
As others have noted, I'm losing faith in the organisation to deal with problems effectively and to be competitive as a sporting entity. They've certainly addressed their off fields deficiencies and Finnis deserves credit for this. Can they get it right on field? We're slowly building a list but we can't afford for the next senior coach to be substandard, and it's such a hard appointment to get right.
I'm more optimistic than Gringo, but I am just sick of it going wrong and if we can't get it right, I'm not going to keep standing around hoping, and more importantly, I don't give a monkeys about it being the last game of a disappointing season, I expect more than the half hearted garbage that was served up to paid up members, some travelling interstate, yesterday.
It doesn't take away from the FACT that people withdrawing financially does not benefit the club. Some people don't seem to realise the impact it actually has.People use team performance as a point on whether they spend money or not. Right now there will be thousands of saints members going "Was this year worth spending *Insert thier cost of membership* for or could that money go to something else"
Last year 2600 odd people made the call that thier money could be better spent.
We won't be the only club in that boat nor the only code.
It doesn't take away from the FACT that people withdrawing financially does not benefit the club. Some people don't seem to realise the impact it actually has.
Why does buying a membership somehow mean you blindly support the football club? You can still voice your displeasure and at the same time back them financially. I don't see how that's so difficult. What is bizarre however is thinking that not helping out in this way will be a good thing for the club.No, I think they do realise what impact it has.
The idea is to make the club realise that what they are doing isn't making the supporters happy and to not renew a membership is a great way of sending a message to the club that things need to change.
Have a look at the Adelaide board on Bigfooty, there's so many people talking about not renewing their memberships next year and the whole reason is to send a message to the hierarchy at the Crows that what they're doing is unacceptable to the fans.
Should those fans continue to blindly support a team that is continuing to fail off field? After Ricciuto's comments this arvo, I'd be ******* fuming and would cancel my membership just based on that.
For you to continually push the "supporters need to support no matter what happens" is just bizarre.
Why does buying a membership somehow mean you blindly support the football club? You can still voice your displeasure and at the same time back them financially. I don't see how that's so difficult. What is bizarre however is thinking that not helping out in this way will be a good thing for the club.
But poor performances are often the trigger to get rid of a membership. It becomes harder to justify it when money gets tough or people have other commitments.
Why does buying a membership somehow mean you blindly support the football club? You can still voice your displeasure and at the same time back them financially. I don't see how that's so difficult. What is bizarre however is thinking that not helping out in this way will be a good thing for the club.
Do you really think that the club is accepting mediocrity and isn't focused on improvement? What would you call what we did in the off-season last year after a four win year?Because at the end of the day, money talks. If a football club continually accepts mediocrity and doesn't focus on improvement then why would someone want to support that administration? If someone isn't happy, why would they spend money supporting a club with no interest in listening to them?
Not buying a membership is a far bigger statement than a sternly worded email that won't be read.