Autopsy Round 23, 2024: Hawks smack Tigers

[Crawfo]

Thanks

Is it true there was a bit of a flu bug going through the lads end of last week?

A couple didn't seem to cover the ground as well as normal

Nick Watson is why I ask - when a passage of play stopped, he was right in front of us.

He looked bloody awful tbh. White as a sheet, and had a few bags around the eyes. He went to the bench.

He looked fine a bit later - so maybe a couple of Panadol & Ibuprofen to get him through the game?

All the lads put in, but a couple looked just a little bit below their usual run & dash so I'd thought I'd ask.

Flu?

Stood next to him in the rooms and he seemed fine

 

[OsakaHawk]

I believe it’s standard procedure in case of injuries in the warm up.

Mitch Robinson from Brisbane was emergency in one of his vlogs. They have to be ready up to the first bounce. 14 minutes into the video.

 

[RCAB]

Our highest ever scoring 1st quarters.

13.3 - 81 vs North Melbourne in R16 on Sat 10-Jul-1982 2:10 PM

10.3 - 63 vs Sydney in R2 on Mon 01-Apr-1991 2:10 PM

10.3 - 63 vs Carlton in R8 on Sat 19-May-1984 2:10 PM

8.11 - 59 vs Adelaide in R16 on Sat 06-Jul-1991 2:10 PM

9.3 - 57 vs Richmond in R24 on Sun 18-Aug-2024 3:20 PM

8.9 - 57 vs North Melbourne in R13 on Sat 21-Jun-1986 2:10 PM

9.3 - 57 vs Richmond in R16 on Sat 13-Jul-1985 2:10 PM

8.9 - 57 vs Melbourne in R19 on Sat 09-Aug-1980 2:10 PM

9.3 - 57 vs Geelong in R3 on Sat 20-May-1944 2:45 PM

8.8 - 56 vs West Coast in R14 on Sat 08-Jul-1989 2:10 PM

9.2 - 56 vs Footscray in R9 on Sat 28-May-1988 2:10 PM

8.7 - 55 vs Essendon in R20 on Sat 01-Aug-1992 2:10 PM

8.7 - 55 vs North Melbourne in R22 on Sat 31-Aug-1985 2:10 PM

8.7 - 55 vs St Kilda in R2 on Sat 01-May-1937 2:45 PM

8.6 - 54 vs Adelaide in R21 on Sat 21-Aug-1993 2:08 PM

8.6 - 54 vs Geelong in R15 on Sat 15-Jul-1972 2:10 PM

8.5 - 53 vs Essendon in R18 on Fri 27-Jul-2012 7:50 PM

8.5 - 53 vs Essendon in R20 on Sat 19-Aug-2006 7:10 PM

8.5 - 53 vs St Kilda in R16 on Sat 09-Jul-1994 2:00 PM

8.5 - 53 vs South Melbourne in R3 on Sat 20-Apr-1974 2:00 PM

8.4 - 52 vs North Melbourne in R21 on Sat 13-Aug-2016 2:10 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Adelaide in SF on Fri 18-Sep-2015 7:50 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Kangaroos in R6 on Sat 04-May-2002 2:10 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Geelong in GF on Sat 30-Sep-1989 2:30 PM

8.4 - 52 vs West Coast in R8 on Sun 22-May-1988 12:10 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Essendon in R6 on Sat 03-May-1986 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs Richmond in R5 on Sat 26-Apr-2003 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs Melbourne in R17 on Sat 23-Jul-1988 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs Essendon in R22 on Sat 02-Sep-1978 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs North Melbourne in R17 on Sat 26-Aug-1944 2:45 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Collingwood in R10 on Sat 25-May-1991 2:10 PM

7.8 - 50 vs Sydney in R20 on Sun 19-Aug-1984 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Geelong in R22 on Sat 01-Sep-1984 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Richmond in R17 on Sat 23-Jul-1983 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Fitzroy in R20 on Sat 14-Aug-1976 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Footscray in R14 on Sat 01-Aug-1959 2:20 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Melbourne in R10 on Sat 27-Jun-1953 2:15 PM

It was the highest scoring quarter of any team this season, but you had people complaining minutes later that our season was cooked.

 

[WireHawk]

I went to the game with some Richmond friends. Unfortunately there were a couple of idiotic, aggressive
Tiger clowns near us. Loudly abusing Mabior Chol

18

Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

along with anything Hawthorn. Enthusiastic barracking
is one thing, but nasty abuse is the province of idiots.

For better or worse I tend not to take a backward step when confronted by clowns like this:foolish macho
energy on my behalf. An admitted character flaw. One of my Tiger supporting mates said we should leave,
discretion being the better part of valour. As a Tiger supporter he was ashamed of their moronic behaviour.
This was at half time. I've never left a game so early and neither has my mate. Richmond supporters are
nearly as bad as Essendon fans. Some truly appaling people dwell amongst them.

We watched the rest of the game at The Royal and were later joined by some other friends and imbibed
happily till late in the night. A small percentage of "fans" are pathetic and tend to ruin things for everyone
else.

 

[Newmo89]

Karl Amon

10

Karl Amon

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

294.5

4star

D

21.0

5star

K

15.0

5star

HB

6.0

3star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.0

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

146.8

3star

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Full video will be released tomorrow.

 

[MasterSamurai]

To my eye it’s the one big thing I can see us getting rolled in a tight final- inefficiency in front of goal.. a lot of the younger guys (understandably) often don’t convert opportunities they probably should, I can totally envision playing Geelong and we kick 8.15 to their 10.5.. Cats generally make the very most of their opportunities in front of the sticks. Hawthorn have exceeded all expectations this year and it’s hard to be critical, especially being such a young team- would just love to see a few become dead eye in front of goal.

This, this is what worries me the most. Last two weeks we've kicked 35.33!! Plus a bunch no scores as well. I can just see it costing us a final.

 

[QuietB]

That second qtr is how Geelong got us at their home. Contested marking around the ground. It is our weakness. It can be used against us. We are building I wasn't annoyed by the second qtr the opposition came in with a plan and executed and we had to adapt and we did in the 3rd. We had so many chances in the last qtr but we still took some. Its Meek monday and a 10 goal win. We hold destiny and finals in our own hands. What's there to be upset about. Can't wait till next week. Excitement for finals is building

Contested marking is absolutely the key to beating Hawthorn. When Hawthorn can get the ball on the ground very few can go with them. When the opposition is clunking marks the Hawks look very vulnerable.

 

[GinniWiz33]

Contested marking is absolutely the key to beating Hawthorn. When Hawthorn can get the ball on the ground very few can go with them. When the opposition is clunking marks the Hawks look very vulnerable.

I agree with the ground ball strength of Hawthorn but when you slow down the game and take contested marks it leaves not just hawthorn but every team vulnerable. GO HAWKS!!!!


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[satan1]

Contested marking is absolutely the key to beating Hawthorn. When Hawthorn can get the ball on the ground very few can go with them. When the opposition is clunking marks the Hawks look very vulnerable.

Agree, this and getting close in the contested ball.
Both Sydney and Geelong killed us in the air.

Marks:
136-80 Swans
112-79 Cats

 

[QuietB]

Agree we’re maturing as a group.

One thing I’d love more insight into is how our Half Forwards are deployed. Every match we see 1 or 2 of Moore, Ginni, McDonald pop up with 25 and 1-2. I wonder whether we make deliberate decisions about who that will be for a game, or whether it just evolves naturally as one gets off the chain.

They’re then complemented by the rotating midfielders. Such a great set up with soooo much run.

I have been thinking for a while that Moore and Gini are used to find space “ between the lines” soccer style. Moore in particular joins the midfield contest and then has licence to creep out the back unattended and causes havoc. It is amazing how often he finds himself in wide open spaces.

i was more concerned that Cholly seems to have lost some confidence in his set shots on goal in the last few matches - he was passing off (not very well, either ) yesterday when he would have confidently nailed them back in the middle of the year. Hope the coaches compare videos of his technique and see what might have changed a few degrees or so in something he does.

If a player is in range for a shot they should take it every single time IMO. Even a low percentage shot has a higher probability (I have not verified this statement with evidence ) than a pass - which is its self often low percentage and then a shot.

A 64% shot is the same probability as an 80% pass and an 80% shot.

Take the shot.

I went to the game with some Richmond friends. Unfortunately there were a couple of idiotic, aggressive
Tiger clowns near us. Loudly abusing Mabior Chol along with anything Hawthorn. Enthusiastic barracking
is one thing, but nasty abuse is the province of idiots.

For better or worse I tend not to take a backward step when confronted by clowns like this:foolish macho
energy on my behalf. An admitted character flaw. One of my Tiger supporting mates said we should leave,
discretion being the better part of valour. As a Tiger supporter he was ashamed of their moronic behaviour.
This was at half time. I've never left a game so early and neither has my mate. Richmond supporters are
nearly as bad as Essendon fans. Some truly appaling people dwell amongst them.

We watched the rest of the game at The Royal and were later joined by some other friends and imbibed
happily till late in the night. A small percentage of "fans" are pathetic and tend to ruin things for everyone
else.

How was the Punt Road ballet?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Agree, this and getting close in the contested ball.
Both Sydney and Geelong killed us in the air.

Marks:
136-80 Swans
112-79 Cats

This is why every neutral is keen for a Hawthorn vs Bulldogs elimination final.

How do we combat JHU, Darcy and Naughton?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Is it true there was a bit of a flu bug going through the lads end of last week?

A couple didn't seem to cover the ground as well as normal

It went through the group the week of the giants game.

 

[Flukey!]

I’m pretty sure I’d take a 10 goal win any day
The alternative is a loss

Are we really getting that far ahead of ourselves that a 10 goal win is something to be disappointed in ?

I don't think the alternative is a loss.

It's just we left some goals out there. That was pretty obvious.
Even Sam said as much in his presser.

It's OK to recognise that we could have done better.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Agree on the need to recognise where we can improve.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

How do we combat JHU, Darcy and Naughton?

Find that Mission Impossible mask technology, use it to generate a mask of Serong and Phillips and then see if Barrass and Battle will start their Hawks careers earlier than expected.

 

[VandoHawk]

This is why every neutral is keen for a Hawthorn vs Bulldogs elimination final.

How do we combat JHU, Darcy and Naughton?

By beating their midfield.

I know it's not that simple but when our mids have ascendancy and our forwards are applying defensive pressure it lets our defenders set up and protects them from the height disadvantage. We can actually expose those taller players then because JUH isn't going to chase Weddle if he goes on a run.

It's what happened vs Adelaide. Of course, the first quarter of that game also highlighted we are vulnerable to talls with quick ball movement.

Conversely, the Dogs don't handle quick ball movement or dangerous smalls very well. Their defenders are very offensive, and if you avoid bombing it to Jones they can be quite vulnerable. Adelaide exposed them in this area, but it all started with ROB monstering English.

If we do play the Dogs it will be an interesting game of two teams trying to exploit each other's weaknesses.

 

[Newmo89]

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[Tall poppy Syndrome]

Our highest ever scoring 1st quarters.

13.3 - 81 vs North Melbourne in R16 on Sat 10-Jul-1982 2:10 PM

10.3 - 63 vs Sydney in R2 on Mon 01-Apr-1991 2:10 PM

10.3 - 63 vs Carlton in R8 on Sat 19-May-1984 2:10 PM

8.11 - 59 vs Adelaide in R16 on Sat 06-Jul-1991 2:10 PM

9.3 - 57 vs Richmond in R24 on Sun 18-Aug-2024 3:20 PM

8.9 - 57 vs North Melbourne in R13 on Sat 21-Jun-1986 2:10 PM

9.3 - 57 vs Richmond in R16 on Sat 13-Jul-1985 2:10 PM

8.9 - 57 vs Melbourne in R19 on Sat 09-Aug-1980 2:10 PM

9.3 - 57 vs Geelong in R3 on Sat 20-May-1944 2:45 PM

8.8 - 56 vs West Coast in R14 on Sat 08-Jul-1989 2:10 PM

9.2 - 56 vs Footscray in R9 on Sat 28-May-1988 2:10 PM

8.7 - 55 vs Essendon in R20 on Sat 01-Aug-1992 2:10 PM

8.7 - 55 vs North Melbourne in R22 on Sat 31-Aug-1985 2:10 PM

8.7 - 55 vs St Kilda in R2 on Sat 01-May-1937 2:45 PM

8.6 - 54 vs Adelaide in R21 on Sat 21-Aug-1993 2:08 PM

8.6 - 54 vs Geelong in R15 on Sat 15-Jul-1972 2:10 PM

8.5 - 53 vs Essendon in R18 on Fri 27-Jul-2012 7:50 PM

8.5 - 53 vs Essendon in R20 on Sat 19-Aug-2006 7:10 PM

8.5 - 53 vs St Kilda in R16 on Sat 09-Jul-1994 2:00 PM

8.5 - 53 vs South Melbourne in R3 on Sat 20-Apr-1974 2:00 PM

8.4 - 52 vs North Melbourne in R21 on Sat 13-Aug-2016 2:10 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Adelaide in SF on Fri 18-Sep-2015 7:50 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Kangaroos in R6 on Sat 04-May-2002 2:10 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Geelong in GF on Sat 30-Sep-1989 2:30 PM

8.4 - 52 vs West Coast in R8 on Sun 22-May-1988 12:10 PM

8.4 - 52 vs Essendon in R6 on Sat 03-May-1986 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs Richmond in R5 on Sat 26-Apr-2003 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs Melbourne in R17 on Sat 23-Jul-1988 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs Essendon in R22 on Sat 02-Sep-1978 2:10 PM

8.3 - 51 vs North Melbourne in R17 on Sat 26-Aug-1944 2:45 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Collingwood in R10 on Sat 25-May-1991 2:10 PM

7.8 - 50 vs Sydney in R20 on Sun 19-Aug-1984 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Geelong in R22 on Sat 01-Sep-1984 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Richmond in R17 on Sat 23-Jul-1983 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Fitzroy in R20 on Sat 14-Aug-1976 2:10 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Footscray in R14 on Sat 01-Aug-1959 2:20 PM

8.2 - 50 vs Melbourne in R10 on Sat 27-Jun-1953 2:15 PM

There’s a few against the Bombers on that list, the one I remember is from 92, when we ended up beating them by about 160 points. Wasn’t at the game and it was pre-internet - remember getting updates on the radio and couldn’t believe how big the margin was getting.

Can’t recall how many Dunstall kicked, I’m thinking double figures?

Only 12 months later the Baby Bombers won the flag. Amazing how quickly it can turn in footy.

 

[TheFourPillars]

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[The Gulden Child]

Bit of an odd thing to say when we've just won 4 out of the last 5 games by over 60 points.

I would argue that could be exactly why a few of them look a bit weary.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

A lot of fickle Hawks supporters. We are one win away from doing something unprecedented. Rarely does a team go 0-5 and make finals. The only teams that have done it are top tier teams who made the Grand Final the previous year, we'd be the first 0-5 team not to even be top 2 the previous year, and make finals. We were bottom 4 last year, and in the last four months were the top team in the competition, not happy?



I had posters in the trade thread this week tell me Gunston was barely best 22.



Carlton doesn't matter if we win next week. We're in the eight and 2 points ahead of Fremantle in ninth.

It's Freo we need to hope loses. We win and Carlton win at worst we swap places based on percentage. Freo could jump us if they have a reasonable win as there percentage is a touch higher than ours. Having said all that if we win by 10 goals we put all the pressure on both of them to win and win well. Sometimes knowing how much you need to win by adds even more pressure on the team.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

It's Freo we need to hope loses. We win and Carlton win at worst we swap places based on percentage. Freo could jump us if they have a reasonable win as there percentage is a touch higher than ours. Having said all that if we win by 10 goals we put all the pressure on both of them to win and win well. Sometimes knowing how much you need to win by adds even more pressure on the team.

It's highly unlikely Freo will comfortably beat Port who have alot to play for and are a good side.

 

[Blackhawk42]

It's Freo we need to hope loses. We win and Carlton win at worst we swap places based on percentage. Freo could jump us if they have a reasonable win as there percentage is a touch higher than ours. Having said all that if we win by 10 goals we put all the pressure on both of them to win and win well. Sometimes knowing how much you need to win by adds even more pressure on the team.

Percentage means nothing in regards to Freo because they've had a draw.

They're on 50 points and we're on 52.

 

[Changa10]

It's Freo we need to hope loses. We win and Carlton win at worst we swap places based on percentage. Freo could jump us if they have a reasonable win as there percentage is a touch higher than ours. Having said all that if we win by 10 goals we put all the pressure on both of them to win and win well. Sometimes knowing how much you need to win by adds even more pressure on the team.

Freo's percentage means nothing unless they have a draw and we lose. Edit: Or of course if we draw with North!

Edit: Beaten by Blackhawk42

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Percentage means nothing in regards to Freo because they've had a draw.

They're on 50 points and we're on 52.

Your right I didn't look at the ladder properly. Realistically than as long as we win and they lose we will play finals just depends what position.