were miles away from *
the collingwood game will be close however.
You dont know my wrath for *.
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were miles away from *
the collingwood game will be close however.
Hasn't changed for me at allits amazing how finishing bottom now is a bonus as u get the #1 pick.... 20 years ago it would be a an absolute disgrace to finish bottom and you would be teased about it at school everyday. How times have changed
The beer garden at the German club. Providing you're wielding a pintAre there any Pubs near the Gabba worth waiting out the front of?
Well the German Club across the road from the Gabba to drown our sorrows after the Twilight Spoon ShowdownSuch a downer way to end the year.
Long summer coming.
Well the German Club across the road from the Gabba to drown our sorrows after the Twilight Spoon Showdown
except dusty would be icing for us, but kelly is the cake.Adding pick 1 + Dusty makes more sense than grabbing Kelly. If we were to obtain Kelly would probably cost us the #1 pick.
were miles away from *
the collingwood game will be close however.
Franklin, Roughead and Hodge all came from Tanking so if that's a model or path we follow it's good enough for me. If we don't get some top end talent into our side we will be in no mans land for years to come.When was the last time pick #1 played in a flag for the club that "won" them with the spoon? Tom Boyd wasn't at the club that drafted him ('16 flag), Hawthorn didn't get Luke Hodge through "winning" the spoon ('15 flag), neither did West Coast with Drew Banfield ('06 flag)... so Des Headland, '98 #1 pick and '02 premiership player, is the last example. Not exactly a promising precedent...
Thinking we're the exception to the cellar-dwelling sub-mediocrity that characterises bottom-finishing sides is folly. 17th is bad enough (clubs who've had success shortly after finishing 2nd-last - like Hawthorn and Collingwood - had two top 5 picks, so not exactly comparable). The amount of illogic required to think finishing with a slightly higher draft pick is of substantial value to us is staggering. Pretending failure is a positive is the kind of desperately delusional thinking that typifies supporters of perennial basket cases - let's not join them.
Franklin, Roughead and Hodge all came from Tanking so if that's a model or path we follow it's good enough for me. If we don't get some top end talent into our side we will be in no mans land for years to come.
Ok so the Hawks didn't "Tank" when they got priority picks? Of course they did!Hodge was taken pick #1 after a trade, so hardly "from tanking"; Franklin and Roughead were taken in the same year due to a different set of draft rules, so not comparable. I'd argue strongly that Hawthorn's success was built on clever recruitment of existing players (Lake, Burgoyne, Gibson, Hale, McEvoy, Gunston... Dew if you want to look at '08 as well) far more than on "tanking" or otherwise obtaining low draft picks (no doubting the calibre of Franklin and Roughead but by the time the Hawks were consistently strong rather than a flash-in-the-pan success they were far from the crux of their strength).
To add to that, for every Hawthorn (or Collingwood) who had success with a brief down year or two, there's are plenty of others (Melbourne, Brisbane, Essendon, Richmond, Carlton) who can't break free from the rut... how would you propose we emulate the former but not the latter? Geelong have continued to perform well for over a decade without "bottoming out"; Adelaide are atop the ladder right now despite having hovered in "no mans land" plenty; Sydney have had success, whatever their other advantages, with hardly a season outside the eight. Why not emulate those sides, rather than risk being the next Melbourne or Carlton? "Top end talent" isn't what wins premierships, it's strength across the park; conscious failure gets us nowhere near that.
Ok so the Hawks didn't "Tank" when they got priority picks? Of course they did!
They used the rules to there advantage that set the foundation to the successful side they built around those players.
Ok so the Hawks didn't "Tank" when they got priority picks? Of course they did!
They used the rules to there advantage that set the foundation to the successful side they built around those players.
Ok Take away Dangerfield and Geelong are back in the pack.Not convinced you're actually reading my posts, given I never suggested the Hawks didn't tank - just that the draft rules are different now, and Hawthorn's enduring success owed far more to their coaching and clever recruitment choices than it did to picking up two top-tier players at once anyway. Why ignore the numerous counter-examples I raised in favour of one or two special cases?
Great we have one shocking year and get 1 early pick which hopefully we can exploit.Different rules then, it was easier to exploit. You could have 1 shocking year and end up with 2 early round 1st picks. Not the case anymore.
Ok Take away Dangerfield and Geelong are back in the pack.
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Great we have one shocking year and get 1 early pick which hopefully we can exploit.
When was the last time pick #1 played in a flag for the club that "won" them with the spoon? Tom Boyd wasn't at the club that drafted him ('16 flag), Hawthorn didn't get Luke Hodge through "winning" the spoon ('15 flag), neither did West Coast with Drew Banfield ('06 flag)... so Des Headland, '98 #1 pick and '02 premiership player, is the last example. Not exactly a promising precedent...
Thinking we're the exception to the cellar-dwelling sub-mediocrity that characterises bottom-finishing sides is folly. 17th is bad enough (clubs who've had success shortly after finishing 2nd-last - like Hawthorn and Collingwood - had two top 5 picks, so not exactly comparable). The amount of illogic required to think finishing with a slightly higher draft pick is of substantial value to us is staggering. Pretending failure is a positive is the kind of desperately delusional thinking that typifies supporters of perennial basket cases - let's not join them.