Review Round 24, 2024 - Brisbane Lions vs. Essendon

[Grasshopper17]

Yes I don’t know how many loose ball gets he collected, but the difference Noah made in gathering the ball in congestion was pretty obvious. Over the previous weeks when the ball hit the ground I would expect the opposition to score every time.

McKenna would be a reasonable sub. Would prefer a fit Reville as he has the flexibility to play in more positions.

Reville comes straight into the 22 for mine, at the expense of Sharp.

 

[Dalions]

Reville comes straight into the 22 for mine, at the expense of Sharp.

Glad you’ve come around.

 

[p4p1]

Ah Chee had 5 pressure acts and 0 tackles, Bailey had 24 and 2

I thought Baileys defensive intent was pretty good on the weekend. The two tackles he nailed normally would have been broken IMO.

 

[p4p1]

The US Government, IOC and FIFA say hello!

Even the IOC was not as bad as the AIBA/IBA who were so bad that the IOC said too much corruption we are running the boxing in 2024

 

[wantok]

I agree... It sounds counterintuitive, but we should be attempting easier shots at training, which I alluded to last week [emoji116]



At training I'd be marking straight lines from each behind post to the front corners of the centre square. That's the corridor. And then an arc 30m from goal. This is your zone of certainty. You should be kicking 9 out of 10 from there. Practice kicking from this region over and over again. Then once you've nailed it, move onto your trick shots or whatever: the ones nobody really expects you to make anyway.

This sounds a bit boring. It SHOULD be boring. But if you really want to spice things up a bit, you could do a lot worse than bringing the goal posts closer together [emoji6] This would also make it much easier to identify any flaws in technique.

Create a competition. Each has shots at Goal starting at 10m moving backwards for the next kick in 5 m increments. Miss and you go back to the start. The player the furthest out after 10 kicks is the [emoji471].

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[Happy_Neale]

So basic. The paper was about increasing average sleep for improvement. I. Imagine those players with young kids would love a couple of extra hours.

I agree with training - train when you play. Get your body rhythm set, and do all the meetings etc in the mornings. Except they like physio etc after training so they'd have to change their hours as well..

Except they play at all different times so that would mean changing the training schedule every other week. Not good for routine

 

[Grasshopper17]

I agree... It sounds counterintuitive, but we should be attempting easier shots at training, which I alluded to last week



At training I'd be marking straight lines from each behind post to the front corners of the centre square. That's the corridor. And then an arc 30m from goal. This is your zone of certainty. You should be kicking 9 out of 10 from there. Practice kicking from this region over and over again. Then once you've nailed it, move onto your trick shots or whatever: the ones nobody really expects you to make anyway.

This sounds a bit boring. It SHOULD be boring. But if you really want to spice things up a bit, you could do a lot worse than bringing the goal posts closer together This would also make it much easier to identify any flaws in technique.

Not sure whether to be annoyed or heartened at my "crazy" ideas getting traction.

First there was the guy Ben Davis interviewed on Monday talking about having people stand the mark at training



Then this morning the great man Zorks himself has referred to NFL teams training with... You'll never guess... Narrower goal posts!!!

 

[M Malice]

Not sure whether to be annoyed or heartened at my "crazy" ideas getting traction.

First there was the guy Ben Davis interviewed on Monday talking about having people stand the mark at training



Then this morning the great man Zorks himself has referred to NFL teams training with... You'll never guess... Narrower goal posts!!!

They should try what Dom Fay suggested on the Roar Deal yesterday.... cut back the practice drastically and take the spotlight off it, the more the players stress about it the worse it is going to get IMO.

It has nothing to do with the physical process it's totally mental and it is impossible to get anywhere near game day pressure in a training situation.

 

[Grasshopper17]

They should try what Dom Fay suggested on the Roar Deal yesterday.... cut back the practice drastically and take the spotlight off it, the more the players stress about it the worse it is going to get IMO.

It has nothing to do with the physical process it's totally mental and it is impossible to get anywhere near game day pressure in a training situation.

Broadly agree. Quality is more important than quantity.

Which again ties in with the whole "train as you play" mentality. You might only get 3 shots in a 150 minute game. And you don't know when those opportunities are going to arise. You just have to be ready to take them.

What's important then if you're reducing the quantity, is that the quality of the practice is at a high level.

 

[Section 5]

Goal kicking practice at training from different positions and even with non-preferred leg is better than nothing.
Also practicing your ball drop and technique is fine.

But that is not what happens in a real game.
Quite often players are stuffed when taking the kick.
You always have someone on the mark.
There is always an opposition player lurking just outside the protected area with angle shots for the inevitable moving off the mark and play on called
Often your own players and 1 umpire are around this area too.

And that only covers set shots at goal

 

[M Malice]

Goal kicking practice at training from different positions and even with non-preferred leg is better than nothing.
Also practicing your ball drop and technique is fine.

But that is not what happens in a real game.
Quite often players are stuffed when taking the kick.
You always have someone on the mark.
There is always an opposition player lurking just outside the protected area with angle shots for the inevitable moving off the mark and play on called
Often your own players and 1 umpire are around this area too.

And that only covers set shots at goal

Lachie said on IIRC footy classified that they do a lot of set shot practice under fatigue at training and have side bets like if you lose a set shot contest you have to shout the winner a meal.

Still nothing like game day pressure though, fingers crossed the first relatively easy set shot goes through in the EF.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Goal kicking practice at training from different positions and even with non-preferred leg is better than nothing.
Also practicing your ball drop and technique is fine.

But that is not what happens in a real game.
Quite often players are stuffed when taking the kick.
You always have someone on the mark.
There is always an opposition player lurking just outside the protected area with angle shots for the inevitable moving off the mark and play on called
Often your own players and 1 umpire are around this area too.

And that only covers set shots at goal

You're right. Train as you play.

Repetition is only of any benefit if you are seeking to change/improve/refine your technique. Other than that it should be, where possible, woven into other drills, which are likely to cause fatigue, whether by running or being involved in contests.

We often hear stories of batsmen have 5 minutes in the nets, say "yep that's pretty good" and that's the end of it. Come out and make an awesome hundred. If you are hitting them well that's all you need.

Quality over quantity.

 

[Nathan Barley]

You're right. Train as you play.

Repetition is only of any benefit if you are seeking to change/improve/refine your technique. Other than that it should be, where possible, woven into other drills, which are likely to cause fatigue, whether by running or being involved in contests.

We often hear stories of batsmen have 5 minutes in the nets, say "yep that's pretty good" and that's the end of it. Come out and make an awesome hundred. If you are hitting them well that's all you need.

Quality over quantity.

Starting to get the impression that you have an opinion on this

 

[Section 5]

A quick look at the year

12 times kicked more points than goals
9 times kicked less points than goals
2 times kicked the same goals as points

 

[M Malice]

Who would we want to take the first "easy" set shot from 25 meters out on a slight angle... I'll go with Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

25

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Who would we want to take the first "easy" set shot from 25 meters out on a slight angle... I'll go with Zac Bailey.

Frog

 

[Dalions]

Who would we want to take the first "easy" set shot from 25 meters out on a slight angle... I'll go with Zac Bailey.

I’ll say Charlie.
Need to get him up and about right from the start of the game.
It would be no gimme but man the place would go off if he kicks it.

 

[Dalions]

A quick look at the year

12 times kicked more points than goals
9 times kicked less points than goals
2 times kicked the same goals as points

Did all of our losses come from the 12?

 

[T Rick]

Our goal kicking woes have become so high profile in the media and with our players this week, I do worry that it will exacerbate our yips. I can't say I am being comforted by any of the narrative coming from players. So much will depend on us nailing the first few regulation goals to get this monkey off our backs.

 

[Section 5]

Did all of our losses come from the 12?

No: 5 wins and 7 losses

Score Goals-Behinds	Result and Margin	Opponent
10-19	34-point win	Suns
11-20	5-point win	Demons
11-13	2-point win	Swans
13-15	28-point win	Suns
11-21	20-point win	Bombers
12-13	1-point loss	Blues
10-12	20-point loss	Pies
4-13	26-point loss	Cats
8-11	54-point loss	Giants
10-15	25-point loss	Hawks
8-16	18-point loss	Giants
11-12	1-point loss	Pies

 

[beatnik]

As a basketball fan, shooting percentages and the mystery of when and why your players/teams shoot better than or worse than their averages is a constant conversation, especially since 3-pointers became so prevalent in recent years

Of course injury, fatigue and being overwhelmed by big moments are all factors in the short term but, in the end, shooting will always tend to regress to the mean…so while out goalkicking is very bad right now, it’s good to know that it’s almost guaranteed to improve if we stick at it and just ‘keep shooting’

let’s hope the week off refreshes us physically and mentally and that the regression starts v Carlton

 

[KissKiss]

You're right. Train as you play.

Repetition is only of any benefit if you are seeking to change/improve/refine your technique. Other than that it should be, where possible, woven into other drills, which are likely to cause fatigue, whether by running or being involved in contests.

We often hear stories of batsmen have 5 minutes in the nets, say "yep that's pretty good" and that's the end of it. Come out and make an awesome hundred. If you are hitting them well that's all you need.

Quality over quantity.

Part of my problem is several players dont seem to have a nailed down technique. Guys like Charlie are rocking up to each set shot with seemingly no set plan and constantly changing their minds. Look at Hawkins who knows exactly what shot he wants to take no matter where he marks the ball, and he nails it more often than not.

So they arent even set up with the right technique to train. There's no point spending 5 mins feeling good but your routine is all over the shop.

 

[Dalions]

Congrats Logan