Autopsy Round 3, 2025: Positives and Negatives vs Fremantle

[stallon]

What actually suggests that “rushing kids in is stupid”. The current tactic of bringing them in slowly over time has completely failed and it’s why we are so far behind in the rebuild.

Hall should be playing as an inside midfielder in the AFL team. End of story. We are getting absolutely pumped in there regardless. The senior alternatives suck.

Im not saying not to bring in Hall, I have been saying he should have been in for the freo game constantly LOL

Are you people replying to me even reading what im typing?

 

[mat11]

Nope. Don’t care. Cole is a clogger. He’s not part of our next finals team, and while he isn’t playing bad football he is keeping younger players we want to develop out of the team.

The very definition of a list clogger.

Next finals team? Bro that ain't even on the menu for 10 yrs at a minimum. Cole, who plays a small lockdown role, is only a small part of our worries atm.

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[Bestbird]

Had some hope for the midfield pre season but it really has fallen away

Yeo - Injured
Kelly - Performance below par
Reid - Unfit & distracted

Graham - Not sure about his defensive midfield role
Duggan - As above
Hewitt - Pre-season injury has meant limited time in midfield
Hutchinson - Injured

 

[Bacchus]

Disappointing game. We still look a long way off.
Even though we didn't get smashed on the scoreboard we played terribly. Maric, AReid, Ginbey all played their parts but most of the team, especially the senior guys didn't play well. BWilliams went back to letting his opponent be the best player on the ground.

It doesn't look like there will be any quick turnaround with a new coach/gamestyle. We just lack the players in the midfield.
It shows we shouldn't be chasing Warner this year. We still need some high draft pick midfielders. At the moment if he was to come to the club we would still suck plus we wouldn't have any high picks for the next 2 years. We need two more years of top draft picks and then Warner would help.

Time to start playing the next Gen,

Out: Long, Brockman, Billiams, Hedwards, Gov (injured), Hunt, Owies
In: Gross, Hall, Brock, Waterman, Flynn, HJ, Allan

Mini needs to keep trying things. Allen, Reid to defense to find some form. Hough to the middle to see what he offers in there. Gross to take Longs spot rotating forward/Mid. Who knows what to do with Duggan, if he wasn't captain he'd be on the chopping block. Mini has this year to try things and work out who fits where.

Liked a lot in this post especially the bit about not chasing Warner. Warner is an icing on the cake player not the cake.

We desperately need some young high calibre mids that we can build a team around, such as Rodrigues and Sharpe.
I don’t include Harley because we don’t know what he’s is going to do - probably leave.
He is not a key high possession midfielder like Neale, or Serong and Brayshaw anyway.

Fremantle have a young talented group of midfielders who have been playing together for years - we don’t have this.
Patrick Cripps would probably be the best to chase if we were chasing anyone.
We desperately need an experienced tough midfielder or midfielders to show the way.
Yeo would be the type but he is always injured.

Mini, Pyke and the recruiting team have a huge job to do.
That game yesterday was painful to watch. We are miles away from even being competitive.
However did the team get so #* ed as this?

 

[Hoskin300]

Im not saying not to bring in Hall, I have been saying he should have been in for the freo game constantly LOL

Are you people replying to me even reading what im typing?

Are you going to answer my question regarding evidence that rushing kids in is bad?

Hall is just the prime current example of the club not playing youth.

 

[stallon]

Are you going to answer my question regarding evidence that rushing kids in is bad?

Hall is just the prime current example of the club not playing youth.

I didnt think this was something that needed to be explained/proven?

Look at 2023, midfield full of guys who cant run out games and on managed minutes

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

A positive is that I will be in Perth this week and next. Thus I will miss the GWS game. It will be a blood bath as in past years without rushing in kids. To rush many in would be just dumb.

A negative is ill be in Sydney and then at the GWS game

 

[ziad]

A negative is ill be in Sydney and then at the GWS game

Be strong

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Be strong

If you see someone throwing his empty beer cup at Liam Baker, thats me

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Im not saying not to bring in Hall, I have been saying he should have been in for the freo game constantly LOL

Are you people replying to me even reading what im typing?

Whats your opinions on Bo Allan and Tom Gross playing this week?

 

[Hoskin300]

I didnt think this was something that needed to be explained/proven?

Look at 2023, midfield full of guys who cant run out games and on managed minutes

Who are these players you are talking about?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I didnt think this was something that needed to be explained/proven?

Look at 2023, midfield full of guys who cant run out games and on managed minutes

Look at 2025, midfield full of guys who cant run out games and on managed minutes

Nothings really changed....

 

[Goroyals22]

Very harsh on BWilliams. Was probably one of our best yesterday.

Whilst his man was almost bog? Nah

 

[Goroyals22]

Graham charged for hitting serong
Harley charged for starting a melee…

Ryan fined for abusing an umpire

 

[stallon]

Whats your opinions on Bo Allan and Tom Gross playing this week?

I put it somewhere, probably in the changes thread.

Id have Hall and Allan in for Long and Hunt.
Allan and Duggan/Cole/whoever share the wing and half back

Gross to wait a bit longer, could make him sub but may as well let him keep getting full games in the wafl

 

[stallon]

Look at 2025, midfield full of guys who cant run out games and on managed minutes

Nothings really changed....

You mean Hewett/Reid?

Theyre the ones who cant run out games in our midfield now lol, the others are fine in that aspect

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You mean Hewett/Reid?

Theyre the ones who cant run out games in our midfield now lol, the others are fine in that aspect

We have been overran in every game we have played though? I personally think the issue is more the lower rotation numbers then fitness but its hard to say we are matching the oppositions midfielders by the 4th quarter in any of our games so far

 

[Hoskin300]

Whilst his man was almost bog? Nah

Can you name five players for us that were better?

 

[stallon]

We have been overran in every game we have played though? I personally think the issue is more the lower rotation numbers then fitness but its hard to say we are matching the oppositions midfielders by the 4th quarter in any of our games so far

We ave baker, Kelly, Graham and Duggan who are able to run out games, they are still competing until the end(sort of)
Hewett and Reid cant do it, if we just have only kids in there we will lose by 100 every week as the opposition piles on 10+ goals in the last quarters.

What youre asking for just doesnt sound feasible at all, we need to keep scores somewhat competitive, no 100 point losses, etc

As I said so many times now id drop Long(a forward) for Hall(a mid) to fix those rotations up, not sure what else you want me to say

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We ave baker, Kelly, Graham and Duggan who are able to run out games, they are still competing until the end(sort of)
Hewett and Reid cant do it, if we just have only kids in there we will lose by 100 every week as the opposition piles on 10+ goals in the last quarters.

What youre asking for just doesnt sound feasible at all, we need to keep scores somewhat competitive, no 100 point losses, etc

As I said so many times now id drop Long(a forward) for Hall(a mid) to fix those rotations up, not sure what else you want me to say

They arnt competing or running the game out at all. Both GC and Brisbane beat us by 50ish points in the 2nd half

Im not saying to only have kids at all? Im saying to play a deeper rotation and get rid of the midget brigade up forward whose contributing nothing.

In your example you have Tyler Brockman stilll in but for what? His lack of defensive pressure and lack of contribution so far just shows we are better off putting minutes into expanding our weak midfield rotation as opposed to playing a guy at HF so Jack Graham can play out of position in the middle

 

[Yeahnahmate]

We ave baker, Kelly, Graham and Duggan who are able to run out games, they are still competing until the end(sort of)

They aren’t competing at all. I mean they are men, out there wearing Eagles guernseys. They are fit. But they are getting spanked in the middle and not doing a lot that gives the impression of winning football.

I honestly think if you hypothetically put Gross and Hall in for Kelly and Duggan / Graham our chances of winning the game of footy are upgraded. And yes, I’m talking right now

 

[stallon]

They arnt competing or running the game out at all. Both GC and Brisbane beat us by 50ish points in the 2nd half

Im not saying to only have kids at all? Im saying to play a deeper rotation and get rid of the midget brigade up forward whose contributing nothing.

In your example you have Tyler Brockman stilll in but for what? His lack of defensive pressure and lack of contribution so far just shows we are better off putting minutes into expanding our weak midfield rotation as opposed to playing a guy at HF so Jack Graham can play out of position in the middle

They are competing, otherwise we would be getting smacked a lot more than we currently are.
Against GC we lost both halves badly
Against Brisbane the team in general struggled late due to the humidity, the younger guys wouldve struggled more than the older guys with the conditions. We just got beaten down by a Brisbane team thats just far better, cant blame the older mids for that

Once again, ive said MANY times that I would have a bigger midfield rotation of actual mids by bringing in Hall for Long.
Read this line again ^^
One more time, just to make sure

Where did I say I have Brockman still in the middle? Show me where I said that?

Give Brockmans CBAs to Graham, Hall takes Grahams. Hewett plays a full game instead of someone else.
Thats a bigger midfield already.
With Baker, Kelly and Reid thats 6 players, still have Duggan and Brockman who CAN go in there in an emergency situation(injuries)

 

[stallon]

They aren’t competing at all. I mean they are men, out there wearing Eagles guernseys. They are fit. But they are getting spanked in the middle and not doing a lot that gives the impression of winning football.

I honestly think if you hypothetically put Gross and Hall in for Kelly and Duggan / Graham our chances of winning the game of footy are upgraded. And yes, I’m talking right now

Disagree

 

[Wild Kelly]

What I don't like about Bailey is he always taps to his own advantage which means he may win contested possessions and clearances but he doesn't help our midfield. He had 6 HTA as opposed to Jacksons 18. If your letting your opponant control stoppages like that then its not a good game.

We know what we are going to get with Bailey, weve watched it over the past 3 years. He is ok around the ball and tries hard but doesn't offer much around the ground (1 mark on the weekend).

If he is good enough to win a tap but cannot direct the ball to our mids then the next best tactic is to punch the shit out of the ball forward and give our mids the chance to soccer/ punch or gather and kick the ball forward with the momentum.
If he misses punching the football maybe he can connect with the ball with hair by mistake.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Disagree

Gross for example in an intraclub looked great against the very guys I mentioned - so I guess it might be closer to the truth than currently realised. And Hall matched Neale for contested ball in the Bris game. It might not be far off mate