Round 3 Team

[Quinz]

You are correct Gunnar. It's also nothing like the side that we fielded for the majority of last season and which a lot of 'experts' thought we'd still be playing.

During the season it would be great if some more of the younger brigade really started to push for selection. Keep the players in the 22 on their toes, knowing they need to play well or get dropped.

 

[sTeeL]

He would play a role similar to what Spangher was a few weeks back.

I really like Schofield in all his games Ive seen and its hard to wonder at times why he doesnt get a game. Great news about the team having no changes and fantastic to see Davis retain his spot after a topshot game.

 

[EagleMan87]

Great signs, but will the players and our zone be able to cope with the Saints current gameplan?

They've been really hard at it and tackling like noone else, just curious as to whether this team can take that.

 

[Makka]

I'm wrapped there are no changes to the team at this stage. As mentioned we need to start settling with a line up. This is a good team to take on the Saints with. I hope their legs hold up to the short turnaround between games though. Hopefully a quick start will be the order of the day!

 

[Marlin01]

Great signs, but will the players and our zone be able to cope with the Saints current gameplan?

They've been really hard at it and tackling like noone else, just curious as to whether this team can take that.

Yep, that's what it's going to be about. Can we come up against a team that will make us pay for our errors and still have the confidence to stick with the plan? I'm really looking forward to it. To be honest, we don't have anything to lose and should go out there and attack.

 

[sTeeL]

Doubt the 2 less days will really make a difference

 

[bigburger]

Great signs, but will the players and our zone be able to cope with the Saints current gameplan?

They've been really hard at it and tackling like noone else, just curious as to whether this team can take that.

I think because they have so much reliance on there talls and crumbing forwards (more of a traditional style forward line) that our tactic of a zone midfield with a traditional defense will work very well. I hope so anyway.

 

[bigburger]

He would play a role similar to what Spangher was a few weeks back.

I really like Schofield in all his games Ive seen and its hard to wonder at times why he doesnt get a game. Great news about the team having no changes and fantastic to see Davis retain his spot after a topshot game.

See I am not so sure. I think from watching Schofield last season that his one on one work was so brilliant that he should possibly be a defender. Also his athletic ability will mean he can play tall or small. If I was Woosha I'd chuck him on the oppositions weakest forward and make them pay through his run. There is so much upside to this kid I think he is a serious talent.

 

[dogeatdog]

See I am not so sure. I think from watching Schofield last season that his one on one work was so brilliant that he should possibly be a defender. Also his athletic ability will mean he can play tall or small. If I was Woosha I'd chuck him on the oppositions weakest forward and make them pay through his run. There is so much upside to this kid I think he is a serious talent.

I rate Schofield as well but hard to see who he going to replace from the 22 this week or the season barring injury, perhaps a long term replacement for Embley. The danger is him wanting out because of lack of opportunity, believe Geelong were interested in him during the past off-season

 

[Eagle Ant]

West Coast
B: Mark Nicoski, Darren Glass, Eric Mackenzie
HB: Shannon Hurn, Mitch Brown, Tyson Stenglein
C: Andrew Embley, Matt Priddis, Matt Rosa
HF: Adam Selwood , Ashley Hansen, Chad Fletcher
F: Adam Hunter, Quinten Lynch, Mark LeCras
Foll: Dean Cox, Daniel Kerr, Chris Masten
I/C: Ryan Davis, Brad Ebert, Brett Jones, Ben McKinley
EMG: Schofield, Staker, Seaby

I think Embley or Ebert may come out for Schofield as he can play a defencive role on F.Ray or N.DelSanto.
Seaby should come in for Davis just for the King match up.

I like that their has been no changes this week but I still think we are missing something in our Midfield.
I dont know what it is yet but Im sure we will find out soon enough.

 

[Swiftkid]

West Coast
B: Mark Nicoski, Darren Glass, Eric Mackenzie
HB: Shannon Hurn, Mitch Brown, Tyson Stenglein
C: Andrew Embley, Matt Priddis, Matt Rosa
HF: Adam Selwood , Ashley Hansen, Chad Fletcher
F: Adam Hunter, Quinten Lynch, Mark LeCras
Foll: Dean Cox, Daniel Kerr, Chris Masten
I/C: Ryan Davis, Brad Ebert, Brett Jones, Ben McKinley
EMG: Schofield, Staker, Seaby

I think Embley or Ebert may come out for Schofield as he can play a defencive role on F.Ray or N.DelSanto.
Seaby should come in for Davis just for the King match up.

I like that their has been no changes this week but I still think we are missing something in our Midfield.
I dont know what it is yet but Im sure we will find out soon enough.

Why would Schofield come in to tag Farren Ray?

Ray's a tagger himself. If anything I think Staker will come in to allow Lynch to play more as a back up ruckman.

Seaby just hasnt looked like it for 2 years.

 

[drexel]

Weak Links-

Ash Hansen - Showed some good signs but also really **** ones last week. Immobility is a big factor and if Bulldogs can play Murphy CHF, then we can throw Staker there or someone.

Ebert- Didn't see him till he took a mark late in the game and shanked the goal. Another who is too slow and not mobile.

Embley- Midfield is beyond his body these days. Not really sure if he has a set position anymore. More of a utility off the bench.

Mckinley - Workrate not quite there and would rather Hunter the spearhead anyway.

Davis - Will see what he's made of on Milne. If he doesn't play on him, then what's he there for.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Weak Links-

Ash Hansen - Showed some good signs but also really **** ones last week. Immobility is a big factor and if Bulldogs can play Murphy CHF, then we can throw Staker there or someone.

Ebert- Didn't see him till he took a mark late in the game and shanked the goal. Another who is too slow and not mobile.

Embley- Midfield is beyond his body these days. Not really sure if he has a set position anymore. More of a utility off the bench.

Mckinley - Workrate not quite there and would rather Hunter the spearhead anyway.

Davis - Will see what he's made of on Milne. If he doesn't play on him, then what's he there for.

Geez, gone early on a couple of youngsters here.

I'm a bit puzzled by your suggestion that Staker would be an improvement on Hansen.

 

[EagleInAdelaide]

Weak Links-

Ash Hansen - Showed some good signs but also really **** ones last week. Immobility is a big factor and if Bulldogs can play Murphy CHF, then we can throw Staker there or someone.

Hansen's immobility wouldn't be much of a factor this week since we're playing the Saints and not the Bulldogs.

 

[purple hater]

Weak Links-

Ash Hansen - Showed some good signs but also really **** ones last week. Immobility is a big factor and if Bulldogs can play Murphy CHF, then we can throw Staker there or someone.What has Staker done to get a game over Hansen? I mean, really?

Ebert- Didn't see him till he took a mark late in the game and shanked the goal. Another who is too slow and not mobile.Eleven poss, 7 marks (2 cont) 2 tackles and a goal. Not too bad a game for a young player with 60% game time.

Embley- Midfield is beyond his body these days. Not really sure if he has a set position anymore. More of a utility off the bench.What is wrong with a bit of experience off the bench? Forward flank is a good position for Embers.

Mckinley - Workrate not quite there and would rather Hunter the spearhead anyway.He actually worked very hard chasing and tackling last week. Tried to make every contest he could.

Davis - Will see what he's made of on Milne. If he doesn't play on him, then what's he there for.Another youngster who gave it his all last week.

Maybe you should go to a game? You seem to be missing out on a lot that is happening out on the field, and what you see on TV is not the complete story.

Our weakest links really aren't so bad.

 

[the penetrator]

Have to think that wirrapanda would come back into the side when he gets his hammy right.

Also on will schofield, have seen him a few times at telstra dome and he has an amazing capacity for covering the ground. Very impressed with his spoiling and his second and third efforts. But who to bring him in for is the hard part....

Ash Hansen, i was ready to send him to the knackery but he has played the link CHF role (that he did so well 05-06) EXTREMELY well. Seems to have regained a lot more lateral movement.

And a quick question for those who have seen more of Josh Kennedy, I was super impressed with him last year what do people see him being capable of?? Goal kicking CHF or more lead up? Will he make it?

Cheers

 

[PRANKSTER666]

And a quick question for those who have seen more of Josh Kennedy, I was super impressed with him last year what do people see him being capable of?? Goal kicking CHF or more lead up? Will he make it?

Cheers

A very good athlete that seems to keep getting injured. Needs to put some games together and is a lead up CHF rather than a goal kicking one. Looks to be waiting in the wings behind Hansen as I don't think both can play in the same team at the moment.

Has a big engine and will be a good target through the corridor if he can get his body right. A make or break season for him IMO. Really needs to play the majority of games this year (even if only in WAFL) so he can improve his game.

 

[shoe]

Weak Links-

Ash Hansen - Showed some good signs but also really **** ones last week. Immobility is a big factor and if Bulldogs can play Murphy CHF, then we can throw Staker there or someone.

Ebert- Didn't see him till he took a mark late in the game and shanked the goal. Another who is too slow and not mobile.

Embley- Midfield is beyond his body these days. Not really sure if he has a set position anymore. More of a utility off the bench.

Mckinley - Workrate not quite there and would rather Hunter the spearhead anyway.

Davis - Will see what he's made of on Milne. If he doesn't play on him, then what's he there for.

Don't agree with any of this.
Not sure how you came to most of these conclusions.

 

[robbo wisdom]

Why would Schofield come in to tag Farren Ray?

Ray's a tagger himself. If anything I think Staker will come in to allow Lynch to play more as a back up ruckman.

Seaby just hasnt looked like it for 2 years.

Ray has been playing dominate footy from half back. Basically been playing the role Goddard was last year. Really needs to be shut down. He has gone from tagger to taggee.

Reckon Stenglein might get this defensive forward job.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

Ray has been playing dominate footy from half back. Basically been playing the role Goddard was last year. Really needs to be shut down. He has gone from tagger to taggee.

Reckon Stenglein might get this defensive forward job.

TBH I don't get the defensive forward role on damaging back flankers.

The best way to negate a damaging half back aka Gilbee, Mcleod, Wirra etc is for the forward to kick goals and force them to be accountable. Farren Ray is hardly the kind of player I would worry about tagging anyway.

Usually the attacking back flanker will go to the forward the opposition believes is the weakest link and can afford to run off. Well if that is the case what is that forward doing in the forward line in the first place, they are there to create and kick goals. If they do their job it makes it very hard for the creative bank flanker to do theirs...

 

[Eagle87]

TBH I don't get the defensive forward role on damaging back flankers.

The best way to negate a damaging half back aka Gilbee, Mcleod, Wirra etc is for the forward to kick goals and force them to be accountable. Farren Ray is hardly the kind of player I would worry about tagging anyway.

Usually the attacking back flanker will go to the forward the opposition believes is the weakest link and can afford to run off. Well if that is the case what is that forward doing in the forward line in the first place, they are there to create and kick goals. If they do their job it makes it very hard for the creative bank flanker to do theirs...

I guess you are from the "flat earth society" and still believe that teams play man on man with 6 forwards and 6 defenders?

The reality is that teams are increasingly getting their drive from defenders who are not manned up due to the workings of zones and numbers behind the ball - some of the players freed up are particularly damaging - Ray is being played in that role and as Sydney showed us in 2005 & 2006, just putting another attack minded forward down there achieves little much of the time except to crowd your forward line and create space for your opponents forwards.

Ray is currently being played in that release/link role as a loose player by St Kilda and is playing it well. If we put another forward down there, the Saints wont send Ray to him, they will send someone else and we will simply crowd our forwardline and upset our own zone. If however we send a tagger to stop Ray, then the Saints must adjust and use someone else in that loose man role - who will perhaps be less effective.

This isnt complicated.

 

[Crimson King]

Who remembers P.Burgoyne on Rojo? No disrespect to the great lego man but..

*Shudders*

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I guess you are from the "flat earth society" and still believe that teams play man on man with 6 forwards and 6 defenders?

The reality is that teams are increasingly getting their drive from defenders who are not manned up due to the workings of zones and numbers behind the ball - some of the players freed up are particularly damaging - Ray is being played in that role and as Sydney showed us in 2005 & 2006, just putting another attack minded forward down there achieves little much of the time except to crowd your forward line and create space for your opponents forwards.

Ray is currently being played in that release/link role as a loose player by St Kilda and is playing it well. If we put another forward down there, the Saints wont send Ray to him, they will send someone else and we will simply crowd our forwardline and upset our own zone. If however we send a tagger to stop Ray, then the Saints must adjust and use someone else in that loose man role - who will perhaps be less effective.

This isnt complicated.

I think I would be correct in guessing you are from the "w@nker society".

I never said to put an extra man in attack, rather that the back flankers opponent works harder in the opposite direction to create and kick goals.

Farren Ray is a pretty average player and by looking to negate somebody like that you are already conceding the game. I am of the view that few players deserve to be tagged, that if you want to win a game you need to back your own players. By playing too many negative roles you are conceding defeat before the game begins.

There are coaches who subscribe to your theory and there are those who don't, some times it depends on the opposition. So I think it is a complicated issue and you don't need to be such a w@nker when putting forward your POV.

 

[Eagle87]

I think I would be correct in guessing you are from the "w@nker society".

I never said to put an extra man in attack, rather that the back flankers opponent works harder in the opposite direction to create and kick goals.

Farren Ray is a pretty average player and by looking to negate somebody like that you are already conceding the game. I am of the view that few players deserve to be tagged, that if you want to win a game you need to back your own players. By playing too many negative roles you are conceding defeat before the game begins.

There are coaches who subscribe to your theory and there are those who don't, some times it depends on the opposition. So I think it is a complicated issue and you don't need to be such a w@nker when putting forward your POV.

Fair enough.

But you keep missing points, so I assumed you werent very quick. Sorry.

You seem to assume that the loose man has an opponent i.e. you said so, therein lies the flaw in your position. Let me explain.

If the other team, say St Kilda, sets up with a loose man in defence, say Farren Ray, how does his opponent (he is a loose man i.e. sans opponent) have any impact on the scoreboard? I have checked and the invisible man is yet to impact a single AFL game.

So, IF a team, say St Kilda, sets up with a loose man, our only options are to (a) man him up - which may crowd our forward line or (b) we could shut down, via a tagger (say Stenglein) the oppositions preferred loose man, say Ray, and then we could force them to use another defender in the loose man/link man/release man role. This may be a lesser player, with lesser skills, lesser running capacity and so on.

For these reasons a defensive half forward may be a logical and reasonable choice. No?

Thankfully - for you - w***er is not an offensive term or you may have trouble with the mods.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

I'm not missing anything.

Are you telling me that players like Gilbee and Mcleod etc always play as a loose man in defence?

Cr@p.

Sometimes there is a loose man in defence but more often than not these are just creative back flankers that run off their opposition forwards.

If Thailand is really your place of residence is it a coincidence that the two biggest floggers on this board are both overseas and probably haven't watched a live game of footy since the VFL?