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We always get killed out of the middle and think Howe should be used more in centre clearances than on a wing
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Brown played at a time when you kicked long down the line to key forwards. Hasn’t worked out the game has changed. Clubs want you to kick down the line where they have numbers hence why Clarko wants us switching. It will hurt for a while but eventually we must be able to do it under pressure if we want to win a flag.As much as he annoys the crap out of me - it was the lateral ball movement that was also driving Brown nuts - just couldn’t get his head around why they would be doing it
Still think our midfield is the biggest problem - it’s just not functioning at all. Did we have one centre clearance that wasn’t fumbled.
Not saying we shouldn’t use Howe in the centre a bit more but yesterday was the first time we were well beaten at centre clearances. The only other game we lost the centre clearances was by one. We are much improved at stoppages this year. Not sure what happened against freoWe always get killed out of the middle and think Howe should be used more in centre clearances than on a wing
I was being a little OTT to generate some discussion and positivity but I basically agree with you. Of the guys around Lewis' age and experience, you have McKay, Naughton, the King brothers that have probably shown a bit more at the same stage of development. But the gap isn't that big. He has the tools to be a long term 2+ goal a game key forward. That's something to be excited about, even if people are a bit down on him due to last season. But it was short games in a crap team coming off an injury. Call it second (proper) year blues. He's come out of the blocks with 2 games better than anything he did last year and I'm quite bullish.
His first instinct is the hold the forward. The umpire's seem to work this out early in the game, and as soon as the ball is kicked in his direction they look straight at him and call him on it.Anyone else starting to get worried about Hartigan? He seems a big drop down from Frawley, when I was hoping he would be a slight step up.
For a huge bloke he gets out-muscled in one on ones the whole time. His leap, closing speed and turning circle are consistent with a bloke of his size.
That moment when chad threw his head back? That same moment he got what looked like a legitimate head high tackle which was ignored by the umpire despite the movement of his head? That moment?That moment where Chad threw his head back looking for a free was pretty poor, might've cost him a vote or two!
It’s what’s happens when the opposition win it (most often an easy breakaway) vs when we win it (a scrapped kick) that’s the issue. If we are playing Mitchell, JOM and worpel we need to be dominating the clearances stats as a break even in totals clearances is really a loss when looking at overall impact.Not saying we shouldn’t use Howe in the centre a bit more but yesterday was the first time we were well beaten at centre clearances. The only other game we lost the centre clearances was by one. We are much improved at stoppages this year. Not sure what happened against freo
I really hope we start letting a solid core of our young players play together. Let them learn from the older players while they can and develop what this new generation of Hawks will look like. I've been hoping for this since 2016/17.
Obv not easy with injuries to Day and DGB, but I'd rather cheer on the baby Hawks over some battlers.
That moment when chad threw his head back? That same moment he got what looked like a legitimate head high tackle which was ignored by the umpire despite the movement of his head? That moment?
Yep he ducked into it if I’m thinking of same contest. The staging for frees is creeping into chad’s and the teams game. Let’s hope Clarko stamps it out.i thought he ducked into the tackle then flung his head back like he was murdered, but i could be wrong.
Someone had a moment.That moment when chad threw his head back? That same moment he got what looked like a legitimate head high tackle which was ignored by the umpire despite the movement of his head? That moment?
Unfortunately lots of football is hard to watch these days, skills are down, we are rebuilding, that idiot Cornes on TV says we're cooked its round 4! We are still learning.Well that was crap, midfield took a quarter to turn up and from there it was all too hard to peg it back.
Skills ordinary all game. Very hard to watch.
Have at it.
Sheesh we all know what JJ posts like. We don't know JJ's or anyone else's for that matters personal situation when we post. Why get personal? I still hope BF is for all fans?JoondalupJ please don’t quote me into your unhinged rants.
I think it's more because JJ has been a known Essendon apologist in the past.Sheesh we all know what JJ posts like. We don't know JJ's or anyone else's for that matters personal situation when we post. Why get personal? I still hope BF is for all fans?
WHAT? dON'T BE LAZY READ IT , AND UNDERSTAND IT IT MAY NOT BE TO YOUR LIKING AND IT MAY NOT BE THAT WELL WRITTEN BUT WHAT??????????????????? Unhinged meaning, comments that are made short and sweet with no explanation. Or its a joke, maybe my age puts me out there! Who the Eff can tell?JoondalupJ please don’t quote me into your unhinged rants.
Identifying a wall of text with random use of full caps for what it is is hardly getting personal.Sheesh we all know what JJ posts like. We don't know JJ's or anyone else's for that matters personal situation when we post. Why get personal? I still hope BF is for all fans?
Not saying we shouldn’t use Howe in the centre a bit more but yesterday was the first time we were well beaten at centre clearances. The only other game we lost the centre clearances was by one. We are much improved at stoppages this year. Not sure what happened against freo
Yeah we struggle to contain both Fyfe and Mundy. Petracca is another...The size and makeup and structure of their midfield was likely part of it, we're smaller than most, and our deficiencies have been pointed out a lot here. If we're just a few percent off in effort, the bigger, faster bodies at centre bounces can take over.
You make a good point.I could forgive a lot of the stuff that goes on if our first thought was to spot up a man in the middle especially with 45° kicks.
The lateral try to get the ball to the fatside seems generally more risky for less reward.
I'd say that's a game plan issue right there.
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Teams also seem to be setting up to defend the switch against us. Even when the kick is low and flat and hits the target our player looks up and all he sees are opposition players. We aren’t quick enough to provide options on the switch.Y
You make a good point.
A move across the fatside is a great approach when it happens quickly/skillfully. it forces the opposition defence to move.
But when it's a LOOOOOOOPY kick, near-intercept, fumble, handball to the feet, three more little handballs and then a LOOOOOOON kick out to the other wing - we don't really gain much.
Works ok for GeelongYep he ducked into it if I’m thinking of same contest. The staging for frees is creeping into chad’s and the teams game. Let’s hope Clarko stamps it out.
I think it is more the consecutive centre clearances we lose when the oppo gets a run onNot saying we shouldn’t use Howe in the centre a bit more but yesterday was the first time we were well beaten at centre clearances. The only other game we lost the centre clearances was by one. We are much improved at stoppages this year. Not sure what happened against freo