Preview Round 4: Changes and prematch discussion vs Hawthorn

[Masked Avenger]

If adding another string to his bow was to eat sh*t and drink piss, hes done well! The kid needs to get fit

and if he doesnt get fit, i’d delist him.. hes quite frankly clogging the list At this point in time

The venom directed at Ahern is laughable. We've plied a ridiculous amount of games into average skilled plodders for 20 years. In fact, we still do. I'm sure we can afford to give a talented player like him a better run at it. A simple solution might be to play him in his proper position.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The venom directed at Ahern is laughable. We've plied a ridiculous amount of games into average skilled plodders for 20 years.

Okay, so that justifies it.

 

[The Nostradamus]

We’re getting pretty close to our best 22
Need Larkey and Daw in

Then LDU and Garner

Obviously Jacobs would be nice too

 

[DesertRoo]

The venom directed at Ahern is laughable. We've plied a ridiculous amount of games into average skilled plodders for 20 years. In fact, we still do. I'm sure we can afford to give a talented player like him a better run at it. A simple solution might be to play him in his proper position.

I think one of the most ridiculous things was expecting him to preform like an hundred game player, after one good game and dropping him for things the other incumbents do on a regular basis.

New rules now, he deserved to be dropped but he’ll be welcomed back with open arms if he comes back with intensity.

 

[Snake_Baker]

New rules now, he deserved to be dropped but he’ll be welcomed back with open arms if he comes back with intensity.

If a player is going to be predominately one way and offensive, then they have to have real hurt with their disposals, and Paul is not delivering that.

He's icing with no sugar at the moment. IMO, he has to play forward in order to get the most out of him, but his opponent is also going to have a field day if we're not controlling the midfield, and that places even more pressure on our already overworked defence.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

As we know Hawks the most experienced team going around - in fact let's just call what it is - they are old, real old.

Hawthorn	Attribute	North Melbourne
188.5cm	Height	188.3cm
87.9kg	Weight	87.0kg
28yr 0mth	Age	26yr 1mth
140.6	Games	107.6

 

[the flying ham]

We’re getting pretty close to our best 22
Need Larkey and Daw in

Then LDU and Garner

Obviously Jacobs would be nice too

Don't think garner features in a best 22

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[zoomba23]

Great changes. Shaw for life

Pretty short memory there mate. There were some very dodgy selection calls last week. Yes, this week's lineup is a lot better, but last week was a real concern. Let's see what the club does in regards to selection for the next few weeks before whipping out the champagne.

 

[Dirty_11]

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(Changes made after the horrible loss to Adelaide in 2013)

Brad Scott expressed his anger in the press conference and said he would push players and those that did well played.

He goes and makes a forced change and drops a rookie in Majak Daw.

The inherent problem was talk, but no walk. Players would get away with inconsistent performances.

Shaw expressed a lot of disappointment in his presser as well but look what happened this time.

And the Sydney game isn't as bad as the capitulation to Adelaide.

Shaw ain't mucking around indeed.

I have a gut feeling he would have put a few on notice as well.

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[Dirty_11]

Praying that Cunners gets up. The boys all walk a bit taller with him out there, being a genuine A-grade mid also helps.

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[Rod Stroker]

As we know Hawks the most experienced team going around - in fact let's just call what it is - they are old, real old.

Hawthorn	Attribute	North Melbourne
188.5cm	Height	188.3cm
87.9kg	Weight	87.0kg
28yr 0mth	Age	26yr 1mth
140.6	Games	107.6

Their age didn't matter last week when they flogged the premiers. Or in round 1 when they spanked the Lions who finished 2nd.

I don't think it's much of a factor.

 

[Rod Stroker]

Why did Shaw have to announce the debutants over a Zoom call talking to a piece of plastic, rather than just tell all the players at the club after training yesterday?

 

[andana]

As we know Hawks the most experienced team going around - in fact let's just call what it is - they are old, real old.

Hawthorn	Attribute	North Melbourne
188.5cm	Height	188.3cm
87.9kg	Weight	87.0kg
28yr 0mth	Age	26yr 1mth
140.6	Games	107.6

Our forward line must be about the most inexperienced if X and Mahony start.

 

[Ether]

I’m assuming you’ve got some sort of personal relationship and inside knowledge about Paul’s behaviour. If what you said is the case, he certainly won’t last under Scamper. In fact, I’m completely flabbergasted that Scamper has allowed him to be selected (even permitting him to be an emergency) under the circumstances you’ve outlined.


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Of course he doesn't. Sees player not fit , assumes pie eating and piss drinking. He was out with a hammie over the break. I don't have any insight into how hard he trains except that Scamper picked him on resumption. Doubt he'd have done that if Pauly had been bludging.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

The Brad Scott era has officially been thrown on the ground, pissed on and set on fire.

Win, lose or draw, Shaw is signalling no more free rides!

If anything this mind set should drive these kids to work their arse off, because they know they will be rewarded if they can prove they have put the work in.

And so it should be set on fire.

We have 200 gamers in the midfield and guys like Atley and JMAC running around every week.

The mids get a pass but the output of some of our senior players is laughable.

 

[Caracas]

Of course he doesn't. Sees player not fit , assumes pie eating and piss drinking. He was out with a hammie over the break. I don't have any insight into how hard he trains except that Scamper picked him on resumption. Doubt he'd have done that if Pauly had been bludging.

Yes, that was the passive aggressive point I was making.


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[Rod Stroker]

Our forward line must be about the most inexperienced if X and Mahony start.

+TT and Taylor.

 

[Event Horizon]

Why did Shaw have to announce the debutants over a Zoom call talking to a piece of plastic, rather than just tell all the players at the club after training yesterday?

Probably because the entire list isn’t allowed to train together.


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[Rod Stroker]

Probably because the entire list isn’t allowed to train together.


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Yeah I get they can't do drills together, but wouldn't the players have all been at the club together around the same time? team meeting?

 

[Only Forwards]

Yeah I get they can't do drills together, but wouldn't the players have all been at the club together around the same time? team meeting?

Or they had final selection committee after training and the players have gone.

Who knows, do you actually expect people on here to know the meetting schedules for the internal working of the club?

Perhaps it was to produce the video.
Perhaps it happens every week.

Who knows.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Why did Shaw have to announce the debutants over a Zoom call talking to a piece of plastic, rather than just tell all the players at the club after training yesterday?

Perhaps because the meeting to finalise the 22 happened after training?

Edit: beaten by the post above.

 

[shintemaster]

I think one of the most ridiculous things was expecting him to preform like an hundred game player, after one good game and dropping him for things the other incumbents do on a regular basis.

I don't think it's about games played. IMO it was ridiculous expecting him to perform as an outside mid with good pressure. He's shown no indications ever that's in his skillset and I doubt 100 games will make a massive difference. He's an inside ball hog with very neat disposal that currently needs to be carried by the rest of the team for that not to be a liability when we're not winning the ball.

FWIW I would have played him right in the middle and structured up around his lack of run and pressure but I doubt it makes much sense to build around him at this point. He'll make it a lot easier on himself to get games if he can get some sort of endurance into his game and put some proper defensive running and aggressive forward running to complement his talent.

 

[kool kangas]

We’re getting pretty close to our best 22
Need Larkey and Daw in

Then LDU and Garner

Obviously Jacobs would be nice too

Maybe Kyron Haden = Ben Jacobs MK2.

 

[kool kangas]

Their age didn't matter last week when they flogged the premiers. Or in round 1 when they spanked the Lions who finished 2nd.

I don't think it's much of a factor.

Especially with the 16 minute quarters

 

[DuckYeah]

The venom directed at Ahern is laughable. We've plied a ridiculous amount of games into average skilled plodders for 20 years. In fact, we still do. I'm sure we can afford to give a talented player like him a better run at it. A simple solution might be to play him in his proper position.

yeh mate, he is filled with talent, unless he gets himself fit that talent is wasted. Im confused as to why he was picked for baily scott to be honest. maybe with the smaller group training sessions he stood out.. he was simply not fit enough and thats not “match fitness” thats borderline local league fitness.

I was talking him up Before the game to the zoom squad. Then he came out, it was foolish of me to think he was up to standard.