Opinion Round 4 Changes vs. Melbourne

[TheMcManusNose]

True or speculation?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...h-out-of-perilous-waters-20170409-gvh4q3.html

Could very well be. Hopefully everyone is now on the same page.

 

[Proud SJW]

True or speculation?

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...h-out-of-perilous-waters-20170409-gvh4q3.html

Well, that's interesting.

Specifically:
"Lyon had reportedly wanted to make a lot more changes going into the round-two debacle against Port Adelaide, but was persuaded by the same on-field leaders to give the older hands one more crack. After that disaster, what happened this week at the selection table was non-negotiable."

... source?
If true, it puts the "blame" for continuing with the old hands squarely upon the shoulders of the older players at Freo, and not the coach... or, possibly, the blame is still on Lyon for not over-ruling them.

Bit of a head**** article.

 

[theGav56]

Again... no changes unless someone is sore or injured.

But if there is going to be one change.... Tucker in for Balic. That would be one possible change unless we keep the 22.

I was tempted to say tabs in but Kersten kicked 2 goals and could of got 3. Didn't mind that high leap of a mark in the 3rd as well. I would think of bringing in Collins too but Hamling, Johnson and Logue did ok.

Max Gawn is out. Should freo go in again with Sandi as the Sole ruckman?

I understand that thinking but I actually think no change is better for both players. Tucker has been asked to improve some things and responded well. He gets the chance to back it up. Balic was ok given the opportunity, though not outstanding. The nerves will have settled and he will be better for that. Dropping him on the other hand will be significantly negative/confusing I think.

 

[Freomaniac]

I understand that thinking but I actually think no change is better for both players. Tucker has been asked to improve some things and responded well. He gets the chance to back it up. Balic was ok given the opportunity, though not outstanding. The nerves will have settled and he will be better for that. Dropping him on the other hand will be significantly negative/confusing I think.

Depends how you see it. Some people would suggest keeping Balic for this week means a stable 22. I was thinking of possibly dropping Balic for tucker to rotate the kids. We are going the youth movement this week.

 

[DudleyDocker]

While Tabs improved as the game went on yesterday, his problem is he can't make an impact early in games because he is not quick enough to get separation or strong enough to mark in a body on body contest.

Because he is an endurance athlete, as the game goes on his running power allows him to get away from tired defenders, so we look at it and he has ended up playing a reasonable game.

For mine, he needs to be able to impact from the very first bounce, because we need to get momentum and keep it as long as possible. Last night was a prime example; right from the minute Brady kicked that first goal the team seemed to gain some belief and carried it through the game.

Tabs to remain at Peel and develop as a backup ruckman and also develop his strength in the marking contest - I'm sure Hale can help on both counts.

 

[jakefooty23]

Must have hit a wrong button there.
Can't imagine why people would suggest Collins come into the side. Bit of Zac clone, spoils well but not much else.

Collins is a much better footballer then Dawson.

 

[Clems Knee]

While Tabs improved as the game went on yesterday, his problem is he can't make an impact early in games because he is not quick enough to get separation or strong enough to mark in a body on body contest.

Because he is an endurance athlete, as the game goes on his running power allows him to get away from tired defenders, so we look at it and he has ended up playing a reasonable game.

For mine, he needs to be able to impact from the very first bounce, because we need to get momentum and keep it as long as possible. Last night was a prime example; right from the minute Brady kicked that first goal the team seemed to gain some belief and carried it through the game.

Tabs to remain at Peel and develop as a backup ruckman and also develop his strength in the marking contest - I'm sure Hale can help on both counts.

I mostly agree with what you are saying regarding Taberner, but it doesn't explain why his goals for Fremantle usually came in the first quarter, and his output dried up for the rest of the game. In the sub days, he wouldn't stay on the ground long enough for his endurance to be a factor.
I think his endurance is his strength (like a destitute man's Nick Riewoldt), but he is also a confidence player. Give him a few weeks of dominating WAFL opponents before dropping a tall forward (because dropping a small forward would make Freo slower) for him. And by dominating, I mean take marks and kick goals in most quarters, and at important times of the game.

 

[Proud SJW]

I mostly agree with what you are saying regarding Taberner, but it doesn't explain why his goals for Fremantle usually came in the first quarter, and his output dried up for the rest of the game. In the sub days, he wouldn't stay on the ground long enough for his endurance to be a factor.
I think his endurance is his strength (like a destitute man's Nick Riewoldt), but he is also a confidence player. Give him a few weeks of dominating WAFL opponents before dropping a tall forward (because dropping a small forward would make Freo slower) for him. And by dominating, I mean take marks and kick goals in most quarters, and at important times of the game.

All of which may be true, and would have been a good argument for his inclusion more regularly last season, but is it good enough a reason given Kersten's performance yesterday?

I was a huge Taberner fan in 2016, to give you some perspective on where I'm coming from.

 

[Nightrain]

Out: Zempillas, Darcy
In: Huddo, Healy

I've watched the replay from last night and the one thing missing from it that would have made it a classic game was the commentary. Basil and Darcy just don't have it. Basil should stick to hosting shows and Darcy should go and get a job at the dogs, so he stays out of the box.

 

[Clems Knee]

All of which may be true, and would have been a good argument for his inclusion more regularly last season, but is it good enough a reason given Kersten's performance yesterday?

I was a huge Taberner fan in 2016, to give you some perspective on where I'm coming from.

I am not arguing for Taberner's inclusion. I am agreeing with you, I think. He needs to get weeks under his belt dominating at WAFL level (unless Peel turn to shit and make it impossible for Forwards to succeed) before he even begins to put pressure on Kersten or McCarthy.
I don't know if he can manage that sort of consistency, but if he does, trying to fit him in to the Freo side will be a good conundrum to have. On current form this is a long way off.

Collins is a much better footballer then Dawson.

Nope. Not much better. Different.

Dawson is taller and faster than Collins but not as strong. Dawson can get to contests and help out his teammates better than Collins, but Collins is a better disposer of the ball (but is also somewhat limited) and is more prepared to take a contested mark when needed than Dawson who is much more purely defensive in his actions. I think Collins may have a better ability to read the game and take intercept marks too.

Of course Collins is much younger with his football career still ahead of him.
But Zac Dawson has been an able servant, and he may still have a few more games in him if he gets the opportunity.

 

[Proud SJW]

I am not arguing for Taberner's inclusion. I am agreeing with you, I think. He needs to get weeks under his belt dominating at WAFL level (unless Peel turn to shit and make it impossible for Forwards to succeed) before he even begins to put pressure on Kersten or McCarthy.
I don't know if he can manage that sort of consistency, but if he does, trying to fit him in to the Freo side will be a good conundrum to have. On current form this is a long way off

Zact'ly.
Different position to be in from 2016, isn't it. Good for Freo, not good for Taberner.

Unless, ruck.
New rules mean new perspectives.

 

[jakefooty23]

I am not arguing for Taberner's inclusion. I am agreeing with you, I think. He needs to get weeks under his belt dominating at WAFL level (unless Peel turn to shit and make it impossible for Forwards to succeed) before he even begins to put pressure on Kersten or McCarthy.
I don't know if he can manage that sort of consistency, but if he does, trying to fit him in to the Freo side will be a good conundrum to have. On current form this is a long way off.



Nope. Not much better. Different.

Dawson is taller and faster than Collins but not as strong. Dawson can get to contests and help out his teammates better than Collins, but Collins is a better disposer of the ball (but is also somewhat limited) and is more prepared to take a contested mark when needed than Dawson who is much more purely defensive in his actions. I think Collins may have a better ability to read the game and take intercept marks too.

Of course Collins is much younger with his football career still ahead of him.
But Zac Dawson has been an able servant, and he may still have a few more games in him if he gets the opportunity.

In my opinion Collins is much better then Dawson. You don't have to agree, that's fine. Dawson is a complete Liability and I hope I never see him line up for Fremantle ever again.

 

[Freomaniac]

Out: Zempillas, Darcy
In: Huddo, Healy

I've watched the replay from last night and the one thing missing from it that would have made it a classic game was the commentary. Basil and Darcy just don't have it. Basil should stick to hosting shows and Darcy should go and get a job at the dogs, so he stays out of the box.

As a regular in the Adelaide casino, I was fortunate. Showdown and the Freo game was on at the same time but the showdown commentary was on. So the freo game was on mute. not bad as long as Basil was on mute as well! lol

 

[Clems Knee]

In my opinion Collins is much better then Dawson. You don't have to agree, that's fine. Dawson is a complete Liability and I hope I never see him line up for Fremantle ever again.

You haven't said anything to back up your opinion, so that makes your opinion worthless, or at best boring. You've just come out with a primary school comment "it's my opinion you don't have to agree". If you can't back up your opinion why even say it?

 

[Frigate]

One thing I will say - to all the media twats saying we should have taken PP. Yeah he will be a great player - I am sure of that. But Griffen Logue. I am on board - fantastic debut. Why the f.. would we take another midfielder? I can read the headlines now.

Logue exceeded my expectations. Keep him in the team. I will say I was wrong - he is AFL ready. His performance was great.

 

[Gussman]

Collins and Tucker are the only two that should get the call up to play seniors. However I can't justify dropping anyone as all of them performed and executed as expected. Everyone played their roles really well.

 

[meima]

If playing WAFL can improve crozier,Langdon , grey why not keep tucker,collins and tab until they tick all the box , no need be such a hurry. Bringing Tab in as emergecy is more of a strategy to play extra tall or without it as I can't see D.pearce not playing for a second week in the running either in afl or WAFL. People here are so critical about their opinion right than look at the overall picture. if injuries strike suban is all the only one that available you play him.

 

[heavho]

In my opinion Collins is much better then Dawson. You don't have to agree, that's fine. Dawson is a complete Liability and I hope I never see him line up for Fremantle ever again.

Agree

 

[igon value]

One thing I will say - to all the media twats saying we should have taken PP. Yeah he will be a great player - I am sure of that. But Griffen Logue. I am on board - fantastic debut. Why the f.. would we take another midfielder? I can read the headlines now.

Logue exceeded my expectations. Keep him in the team. I will say I was wrong - he is AFL ready. His performance was great.

It's just a way to pot shots. As you say, had we taken another mid we would have still copped criticism.

Given SPP's build and Logue's expected position, exposed form so far says we made the right choice.

 

[jakefooty23]

You haven't said anything to back up your opinion, so that makes your opinion worthless, or at best boring. You've just come out with a primary school comment "it's my opinion you don't have to agree". If you can't back up your opinion why even say it?

Lol, don't reply to me If your just going to be a dick. All I've said is that I think Collins is much better then Dawson. I have my opinion, I also backed up my opinion by saying Dawson is a liability, which he is. If you love Dawson so much that's fine, just don't go calling someone's opinion worthless because they don't agree with you or have the same opinion as you..

 

[Clems Knee]

Lol, don't reply to me If your just going to be a dick. All I've said is that I think Collins is much better then Dawson. I have my opinion, I also backed up my opinion by saying Dawson is a liability, which he is. If you love Dawson so much that's fine, just don't go calling someone's opinion worthless because they don't agree with you or have the same opinion as you..

I talked about Collin's strengths and weaknesses compared to Dawson. You just countered with a mindless anti-Dawson outburst. Dawson has plenty of faults but you mentioned none of them. Saying a player is a liability is not backing up an opinion - it is the opinion. Surely that's not too hard to understand?

 

[jakefooty23]

I talked about Collin's strengths and weaknesses compared to Dawson. You just countered with a mindless anti-Dawson outburst. Dawson has plenty of faults but you mentioned none of them. Saying a player is a liability is not backing up an opinion - it is the opinion. Surely that's not too hard to understand?

I would prefer for my key defender to actually be able to have the ball in his hand without knowing there is a 50% chance of it being a turnover. Collins looks like a much more composed player to Dawson and I can actually trust him when he has the ball. We have struggled with turnovers coming out of the backline this year and having an absolute turnover merchant in Dawson back there would not help us anymore. Dawson is a better defender then Collins but I would take the better marking better kicking defender over Dawson. Like I've said 15 times, this is my opinion and I really don't care if you disagree with it. I'm not going to change this opinion until Dawson gives me a reason to.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I talked about Collin's strengths and weaknesses compared to Dawson. You just countered with a mindless anti-Dawson outburst. Dawson has plenty of faults but you mentioned none of them. Saying a player is a liability is not backing up an opinion - it is the opinion. Surely that's not too hard to understand?

Only an absolute numbskull would try and defend Dawson, How is he not a liability? He can't kick or mark....

 

[Moist Biscuit]

You haven't said anything to back up your opinion, so that makes your opinion worthless, or at best boring. You've just come out with a primary school comment "it's my opinion you don't have to agree". If you can't back up your opinion why even say it?

How about I tell you that your opinion is worthless? Enjoy watching your love child play for Peel this year

 

[Kram]

I talked about Collin's strengths and weaknesses compared to Dawson. You just countered with a mindless anti-Dawson outburst. Dawson has plenty of faults but you mentioned none of them. Saying a player is a liability is not backing up an opinion - it is the opinion. Surely that's not too hard to understand?

Dawson was finished after Lynch toweled him up in r2 last year. Why Ross played him for another season I don't know.