Autopsy Round 4 = Collingwood 60-90 GWS

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I don’t blame Ed for wanting his cake and eat it. He didn’t want to lose bucks to north because he saw bucks as royalty. Hence the succession plan, but in hindsight it was a flawed plan. Again, nothing ventured nothing gained Ed. I can’t help thinking it would have been better for Bucks and for Collingwood if he had gone to north. We may have won in 2011. Anyway, all just speculation.
That was Really the Beginning of the End for Dictator Ed
 

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Has been said here in the past and I also got it from a very reliable source.

During the MM wars here - I was keen for MM to be retained as I didn’t think Bucks had the experience. That’s why I felt the succession plan was a brilliant compromise by Ed.
It sounded great, but the problem was that noone knew what the compromise was, because the director of coaching role hadn't been created.
 

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Maynard has been just as much of a poison pill for us as anyone so far this year - he has regressed significantly in almost every aspect of his game, which is just one of the many things which has led to us being in the position we are now in.
I reckon maynard is carrying something, a groin injury or something. Been diabolical by his standards.
 

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How’s Eddie not having the ability to tell Bucks; “Mate, let’s be honest, nobody saw this coming. We are in the window, Mick has to keep coaching for another 2 years, we are going to have to delay - surely you understand”
Exactly what should have happened. Would Bucks have accepted it? I think he possibly would have- for at least 2012 anyway.
The timing was completely wrong for him to take over- we just played off in back to back GFs, the players still wanted the existing coach, would have to begin coaching with a contending team before rebuilding and being able to stamp his own presence into the club/playing group, had to teach a new game plan to an already successful one.
As much as I loved the idea of MM sticking around with Bucks, it was at least two years too early.
Think Bucks will be the new coach of a new franchise and will do well.
 

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Do people not grasp that to actually impose the preferred game plan it requires your best players to win their position?

Our game plan isn't to be smashed in the middle, lose contested possession and have our opposition just control the ball.

When our mids are beaten - Dogs and Giants - we aren't able to actually impose the coaches preferred game plan.

When our mids get on top, Carlton game, unsurprisingly we win the ball, transition well and our forwards have a chance to look dangerous.
Yeah winning contests still needs to be the basis of your game.
 

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Save your money. I like it.

Next time maybe we could meet to celebrate the official ending of this wasted decade perhaps.
Explains why sbs32 had 'Withnail and I' on a few night's back. It's about the end of a decade - the 60s, and a guy who is not going to be able to be capable of transitioning into the next decade. The Gimp would be an agreeable companion at any celebration of a wasted era or event.
 

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It’s a funny game isn’t it. We hold our nerve against the lions and we are close to top 6 still ?

We need some tweaks but just Chill. For me Cameron needs to come in a play Forward/Ruck, best marking big man we have and takes another muppet away from Cox to have a 1:1 chance.


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Exactly what should have happened. Would Bucks have accepted it? I think he possibly would have- for at least 2012 anyway.
The timing was completely wrong for him to take over- we just played off in back to back GFs, the players still wanted the existing coach, would have to begin coaching with a contending team before rebuilding and being able to stamp his own presence into the club/playing group, had to teach a new game plan to an already successful one.
As much as I loved the idea of MM sticking around with Bucks, it was at least two years too early.
Think Bucks will be the new coach of a new franchise and will do well.
With the benefit of hindsight, the handover should have occurred at end of '12 or '13.
 

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In a game where they were expected to win comfortably and smash GWS, Collingwood barely gave a whimper in a sobering defeat where they were vanquished by 30 points (5 goals) against the Giants. The Magpies played their most disjointed game of the season to date with their inability to win contests, while the forwards were hardly moving out of first gear to provide a marking target, and failed to crumb packs at the drop of the ball. Defensively, there was no dare, and there was no intent to close down the amount of uncontested marks that Collingwood conceded throughout the entire night. As for the midfield, there was absolutely no inspiration, direction, nor leadership to stem the bleeding and the amount of ease that Collingwood’s opponents were afforded when they gathered the ball was inexplicably poor. There’s not a great deal of explaining left to do about this unforgivable loss that has left the club bereft of answers and options.

The only categories of note the Magpies were able to win were Inside 50s by +4 (52 - 48), Tackles Inside 50 were won by +16 ( 24 - 8 ), Contested Marks had a margin of +1 (12 - 11), and +26 for hit-outs (44 - 18). GWS dominated most of the key indicators such as disposals by +54 (407 - 353), kicks were won by +25 (237 - 212), +29 for handballs (170 - 141), while contested possessions had a gap of +15 (150 - 135), followed by ascendancy in uncontested possessions by +39 (241 - 202), and intercept possessions were +3 (84 - 81). Clearances had a margin of +4 (36 - 32), centre clearances were won by +4 (15 - 11), tackles had an advantage of +2 (63 - 61), +25 for uncontested marks (96 - 71), with Marks Inside 50 won by +3 (9 - 6). Stoppage clearances (21 each) was the only category in dispute.

Steele Sidebottom (30 disposals @ 47%, 502 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 21 kicks, 9 handballs, 8 marks, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 6 Inside 50s) won a lot of the ball and provided as a marking option, but his decision-making and ball use was ineffective and detrimental to the team’s performance.

Jack Madgen (25 disposals @ 56%, 556 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 10 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50s, 4 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had a different role where he was moved onto the wing to become an unlikely ball winner. Madgen also produced the only major highlight of the night by kicking his first AFL goal with a drop punt from the boundary.

Brodie Grundy (20 disposals @ 50%, 137 metres gained, 14 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 42 hit-outs, 9 kicks, 11 handballs, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 2 Inside 50s) did not come to play in the first half, before responding in the second half with hit-outs and disposals, which ultimately proved fruitless.

Scott Pendlebury (20 disposals @ 60%, 199 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 9 kicks, 11 handballs, 2 marks, 7 tackles, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 3 Inside 50s) was not able to generate scoring chains at all, and none of his disposals were influential.

Chris Mayne (20 disposals @ 80%, 208 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 9 handballs, 9 marks, 4 tackles & 2 score involvements) worked hard defensively from the wing to take his marks and his ball use was steady.

Jack Crisp (30 disposals @ 40%, 644 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 11 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 8 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) had his worst disposal efficiency game ever, despite racking up 30 disposals in the midfield and across half-back where he just simply torched the ball as soon as he gathered possession. Fortunately for Crisp, he had mates that wasted the ball.

Jeremy Howe (20 disposals @ 75%, 459 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 marks & 3 Rebound 50s) played solidly on a night where everything went pear-shaped.

Brayden Maynard (18 disposals @ 72%, 542 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 5 handballs, 4 marks, 2 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) did not fire a shot early, before rebounding strongly in the last two quarters to hang his hat on something.

Darcy Moore (14 disposals @ 100%, 228 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 3 Contested Marks & 4 Rebound 50s) stood tall again with his intercept marking and ball use was fairly good.

Josh Daicos (19 disposals @ 74%, 402 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 14 kicks, 5 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 2 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had a difficult night up forward where he still conjured a goal, while being given stints in the midfield.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (14 disposals @ 86%, 258 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) had a solid second half of footy, after being non-existent in the first half.

Josh Thomas (10 disposals @ 60%, 181 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 5 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had a very similar start to Hoskin-Elliott-Elliott where he went missing early, before getting involved late in the game.

Jordan De Goey (9 disposals @ 44%, 131 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 3 handballs, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 2 goals) made the most of his limited opportunities, but did nothing else that was satisfactory.

Brody Mihocek (7 disposals @ 43%, 207 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) was starved of opportunities, but found a way to mark a couple of entries, and chimed in on the scoreboard.

Beau McCreery (7 disposals @ 57%, 3 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 2 handballs, 2 marks, 8 tackles, 7 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) kicked his first AFL goal on debut, which was also Collingwood’s first goal of the night, and he was able to fulfil his role by providing tackling and plenty of pressure.

Collingwood’s next game will be against West Coast at Optus Stadium on April 16. Play four quarters of footy against quality opposition, and victory will not be out of the question.
 

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In a game where they were expected to win comfortably and smash GWS, Collingwood barely gave a whimper in a sobering defeat where they were vanquished by 30 points (5 goals) against the Giants. The Magpies played their most disjointed game of the season to date with their inability to win contests, while the forwards were hardly moving out of first gear to provide a marking target, and failed to crumb packs at the drop of the ball. Defensively, there was no dare, and there was no intent to close down the amount of uncontested marks that Collingwood conceded throughout the entire night. As for the midfield, there was absolutely no inspiration, direction, nor leadership to stem the bleeding and the amount of ease that Collingwood’s opponents were afforded when they gathered the ball was inexplicably poor. There’s not a great deal of explaining left to do about this unforgivable loss that has left the club bereft of answers and options.

The only categories of note the Magpies were able to win were Inside 50s by +4 (52 - 48), Tackles Inside 50 were won by +16 ( 24 - 8 ), Contested Marks had a margin of +1 (12 - 11), and +26 for hit-outs (44 - 18). GWS dominated most of the key indicators such as disposals by +54 (407 - 353), kicks were won by +25 (237 - 212), +29 for handballs (170 - 141), while contested possessions had a gap of +15 (150 - 135), followed by ascendancy in uncontested possessions by +39 (241 - 202), and intercept possessions were +3 (84 - 81). Clearances had a margin of +4 (36 - 32), centre clearances were won by +4 (15 - 11), tackles had an advantage of +2 (63 - 61), +25 for uncontested marks (96 - 71), with Marks Inside 50 won by +3 (9 - 6). Stoppage clearances (21 each) was the only category in dispute.

Steele Sidebottom (30 disposals @ 47%, 502 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 21 kicks, 9 handballs, 8 marks, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 6 Inside 50s) won a lot of the ball and provided as a marking option, but his decision-making and ball use was ineffective and detrimental to the team’s performance.

Jack Madgen (25 disposals @ 56%, 556 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 10 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 5 Inside 50s, 4 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had a different role where he was moved onto the wing to become an unlikely ball winner. Madgen also produced the only major highlight of the night by kicking his first AFL goal with a drop punt from the boundary.

Brodie Grundy (20 disposals @ 50%, 137 metres gained, 14 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 42 hit-outs, 9 kicks, 11 handballs, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 2 Inside 50s) did not come to play in the first half, before responding in the second half with hit-outs and disposals, which ultimately proved fruitless.

Scott Pendlebury (20 disposals @ 60%, 199 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 9 kicks, 11 handballs, 2 marks, 7 tackles, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 3 Inside 50s) was not able to generate scoring chains at all, and none of his disposals were influential.

Chris Mayne (20 disposals @ 80%, 208 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 9 handballs, 9 marks, 4 tackles & 2 score involvements) worked hard defensively from the wing to take his marks and his ball use was steady.

Jack Crisp (30 disposals @ 40%, 644 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 8 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 11 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 8 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) had his worst disposal efficiency game ever, despite racking up 30 disposals in the midfield and across half-back where he just simply torched the ball as soon as he gathered possession. Fortunately for Crisp, he had mates that wasted the ball.

Jeremy Howe (20 disposals @ 75%, 459 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 marks & 3 Rebound 50s) played solidly on a night where everything went pear-shaped.

Brayden Maynard (18 disposals @ 72%, 542 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 5 handballs, 4 marks, 2 score involvements, 4 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) did not fire a shot early, before rebounding strongly in the last two quarters to hang his hat on something.

Darcy Moore (14 disposals @ 100%, 228 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 3 Contested Marks & 4 Rebound 50s) stood tall again with his intercept marking and ball use was fairly good.

Josh Daicos (19 disposals @ 74%, 402 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 14 kicks, 5 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 2 score involvements, 3 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had a difficult night up forward where he still conjured a goal, while being given stints in the midfield.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (14 disposals @ 86%, 258 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) had a solid second half of footy, after being non-existent in the first half.

Josh Thomas (10 disposals @ 60%, 181 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 5 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had a very similar start to Hoskin-Elliott-Elliott where he went missing early, before getting involved late in the game.

Jordan De Goey (9 disposals @ 44%, 131 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 3 handballs, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 2 goals) made the most of his limited opportunities, but did nothing else that was satisfactory.

Brody Mihocek (7 disposals @ 43%, 207 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) was starved of opportunities, but found a way to mark a couple of entries, and chimed in on the scoreboard.

Beau McCreery (7 disposals @ 57%, 3 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 2 handballs, 2 marks, 8 tackles, 7 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) kicked his first AFL goal on debut, which was also Collingwood’s first goal of the night, and he was able to fulfil his role by providing tackling and plenty of pressure.

Collingwood’s next game will be against West Coast at Optus Stadium on April 16. Play four quarters of footy against quality opposition, and victory will not be out of the question.
Pretty funny how much of a smashing Grundy has copped on here after 20 disposals - 14 of them contested. 5 clearances and 42 hitouts. I think we may be setting the bar at a ridiculous height.
 

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You have confidence Clarko is coming here? Convince us all why he would even consider the position?
I can't say I've watched much of Hawthorn over the last few years. I appreciate they have a pretty ordinary list, but what style of footy are they playing?

I assume that Clarko had a fair bit to do with their attempted re-build by taking other teams' salary dumps. Has he got the stomach to coach us through a proper re-build or will we get an impatient hail mary one like the Hawks went for?

He coached that Hawks team to play an extremely distinct style of footy that swept all before it, and significantly also pinched that one off the Cats with a range of really clever match day tactics, but is he still the man?
 

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This is what it feels like. And to me, it makes it feel like coaching is a lot to do with it. The coach has lost the players.
If they don't trust, or enjoy, the gameplan it might feel like more of a work obligation rather than something they've long enjoyed.
 

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I can't say I've watched much of Hawthorn over the last few years. I appreciate they have a pretty ordinary list, but what style of footy are they playing?

I assume that Clarko had a fair bit to do with their attempted re-build by taking other teams' salary dumps. Has he got the stomach to coach us through a proper re-build or will we get an impatient hail mary one like the Hawks went for?

He coached that Hawks team to play an extremely distinct style of footy that swept all before it, and significantly also pinched that one off the Cats with a range of really clever match day tactics, but is he still the man?
Good questions which I can't answer really, they seem to be a wanna be transition team if you saw any of the freo and rich games. The question is, regardless of his tactics / structure set up/ game style, it's a job that will have slim pickins for the first couple of years and therefore lack of depth.

Not to mention the possible morale drop among the squad coz of throwin players under the bus, the racism etc.

It's a job that gonna have coerce someone into taking, in other words the club will be the beggar not the chooser.
 

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Explains why sbs32 had 'Withnail and I' on a few night's back. It's about the end of a decade - the 60s, and a guy who is not going to be able to be capable of transitioning into the next decade. The Gimp would be an agreeable companion at any celebration of a wasted era or event.
Love that film:thumbsu:
 

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Pretty funny how much of a smashing Grundy has copped on here after 20 disposals - 14 of them contested. 5 clearances and 42 hitouts. I think we may be setting the bar at a ridiculous height.
He's on a million bucks a year. The bar needs to be set ridiculously high to justify that contract.
 

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It's a job that gonna have coerce someone into taking, in other words the club will be the beggar not the chooser.
When's the last time any senior coach was poached. When a new coach is appointed, it generally comes from the pool of afl assistants. I don't think there will be a shortage of interested assistants.
 

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