Autopsy Round 5 vs Essendon

[rm3504]

A year that was full of promise and finals aspirations has been transformed into yet another survival season. Just about everything that had to go right, went horribly wrong. There is no individual blame, it is a collective system that isn't working (as others have said repeatedly).

Hard to see any light unfortunately giantroo

Not one kid doing anything in the magoos.
We must have the worst young talent in comp
Bring in hrovat and lmac this week, brilliant

 

[Go_Roos!]

Not one kid doing anything in the magoos.
We must have the worst young talent in comp
Bring in hrovat and lmac this week, brilliant

Fair to say we are in a bad predicament!

 

[ferball]

Fair to say TT is back this week and we missed him badly.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Not one kid doing anything in the magoos.
We must have the worst young talent in comp
Bring in hrovat and lmac this week, brilliant

May have been a crap game all round this week but Larkey can’t have been doing much more over a sustained period.

 

[scottywiper]

Not one kid doing anything in the magoos.
We must have the worst young talent in comp
Bring in hrovat and lmac this week, brilliant

They can't all be bad players. That is a fact.

 

[captain blood 17]

Those ****ing COWARDS hid behind a kid!

Not trolling here Snake, you have been bang on in this thread. Serious question, how much influence do past players like McKernan have in the club? Does he have the ability to shake things up?


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[Snake_Baker]

Not trolling here Snake, you have been bang on in this thread. Serious question, how much influence do past players like McKernan have in the club?

None, but none of that matters because the smell of blood is in the air and when WE mobilise the world changes.

Does he have the ability to shake things up?

Absolutely. Universally respected by the members, and when all the bullshit is said and done, we hold the whip hand, and the membership is stirring from its slumber.

 

[captain blood 17]

None, but none of that matters because the smell of blood is in the air and when WE mobilise the world changes.



Absolutely. Universally respected by the members, and when all the bullshit is said and done, we hold the whip hand, and the membership is stirring from its slumber.

I didn’t realize Archer had stepped off the board. Maybe he needs to get on.
I look at the Pies and Tigers and how we were able to clear out the coachs etc around Hardwick and Buckley and to their credit re-invigorate and re-energise the club. I don’t think Scott could do that. I don’t think it’s in his nature to eat some humble pie and re-evaluate.
Your list shouldn’t be where it is. My take, bring in Sam Mitchell as your next coach. I think he could do some good things.


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[Go_Roos!]

I didn’t realize Archer had stepped off the board. Maybe he needs to get on.
I look at the Pies and Tigers and how we were able to clear out the coachs etc around Hardwick and Buckley and to their credit re-invigorate and re-energise the club. I don’t think Scott could do that. I don’t think it’s in his nature to eat some humble pie and re-evaluate.
Your list shouldn’t be where it is. My take, bring in Sam Mitchell as your next coach. I think he could do some good things.


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Guess why Archer left the board? a) he was happy with the way the club is run & heading b) he wasn't happy with the way the club was run & heading.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Yet another, even more blatant example of it. They realised they had a choice between 'move to the designated positioning' or 'contest the contest and pressure the ball carrier'. They couldn't do both at the same time so they chose the former.

It's 100% coaching.

It's death by adherence to systems

There is no instinct. The plan says go here when this happens and if it doesn't happen, then let mass panic reign and the chips fall where they may

There is no thought, no initiative, no improvisation. This is what Higgins Cunnington and Anderson were told to do with regards to this set-up at centre bounces and they carry out their plan with aplomb because that's what the coaches and the set up says to do. Unfortunately when Goldstein is beaten and Essendon improvise, we don't revert to playing the simplest defensive structure of all - man on man - because we have our plan and our plan says to do this and improvisation be damned

You are correct in saying it's 100% coaching but it is more than that, it's rigidity and stubbornness and a complete lack of independent thought from players that should know better

We are the George Orwell Allstars

 

[koshari]

I feel like developing kids is more about having standards within the playing group and clear instruction than it is about chucking them into the seniors to get flogged every week.

Its both really.

 

[shinboner spiggs]

Does anybody want to take a guess at what Cunnington, Higgins and Anderson are doing here?

It gets worse every time you watch.

Jed and cunners clearly are still working out playing together but the cake is Higgins accountability on Shiel.

 

[Heaps of fun]

All this adherence to system s**t wouldn't be such a big problem if we came up with a good system. Just incredible how bad our game plan is for the new rules and our squad.

 

[captain blood 17]

Guess why Archer left the board? a) he was happy with the way the club is run & heading b) he wasn't happy with the way the club was run & heading.

I’ll roll with b. I’ll leave you guys alone now. I’m sure we’ll talk soon enough on the boards. Good luck


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[ferball]

It gets worse every time you watch.

Jed and cunners clearly are still working out playing together but the cake is Higgins accountability on Shiel.

The reality is if Todd had put his body on the line and hit the right spot for that bounce Jed and Cunners and even Higgo would have been in the right spot to do what Essendon did.

That's not planning over riding instinct. That's reading the play and reacting while backing your ruckman to beat the spud on the other side. To me if Goldy had made more effort or put his body on the line instead of trying to avoid contact then it would have been a different story. Maybe he's spooked by the softness of the new ruck rules. That's the only excuse I can possibly give him (and it isn't good enough anyway - betterto give away a free than allow that bollocks imo.)

At first i was with Mixed Results about this cos it does look really bad but after looking a couple of times i'm back with the players for this. If Goldy had got anything on that ball then Cunners was in the right position and he had every reason to expect Goldy would get something on it. That Bellchambers was able to get an uncontested tap to his second option in Heppel while Goldy drifted past the back of ruck contest like someone saving his aging body for another five years of footy is why that went pear shaped.

Maj would have made that tap, even Campbell would have made a contest and if it'd been the quarter before Preuss would have pulverised Bellchambers. That one is entirely on Goldy.

 

[hcd199]

Appreciate the thorough analyses of our centre bounce set-ups upthread. Like many here, my will to watch dwindled as the game dragged on, but all this tallies with what I noticed during the game, which was that Goldstein seemed to find himself the only North player roving Bellchambers' taps, or the only one within tackling distance of pacy opponents. It's exactly like when Tom Hawkins/Lance Franklin/any other opposition KPF is one-out in the square with Luke McDonald/Jamie Macmillan/Shaun Atley - it's the perfect image to make it seriously obvious that we have a fundamental structural problem. Infuriatingly, it's yet another persistent one - it flows from Brad Scott's insistence that success is all about playing our own "brand" of football well (it's notable just how often good opposition midfielders can rack up 40+ disposals against us, and that Jacobs became a tagger when Crocker was caretaker in 2015...).

Any team worth their salt has structures and plans designed to counter what the opposition are doing; if we've got such a thing, the repeated ease with which our opponents win the centre clearances and laconically ease the ball into their forward line says it isn't working. How long do we have to wait until something changes? We're so stubborn at the moment that we still think "kick out down the line to Cunnington" is a viable strategy, even though every other team must be onto it by now. We saw last week that effort and intensity are crucial to whether or not we can win, but even with that workrate, I don't see these creaky structures netting us too many victories now or any time in the future - poor skill execution has hurt us a lot this season too, no doubt, but all signs point primarily to something seriously wrong in the coaching/football department, and the sooner the club realises this and takes whatever action necessary to rectify it, the better. Until then...??????????

 

[tazaa]

It gets worse every time you watch.

Jed and cunners clearly are still working out playing together but the cake is Higgins accountability on Shiel.

Higgins is a liability and so is Cunnington

 

[Grogg]

It gets worse every time you watch.

Jed and cunners clearly are still working out playing together but the cake is Higgins accountability on Shiel.

Go to a clip from 5 years ago and you'll find the same setup.

Just incredibly staid, incredibly predictable.

 

[Themanbun]

Even with the observed failures around the stoppage and clearances in the first quarter, it's worth noting that after the first quarter, Brad basically said that the players weren't following his directions in the 'style of game we wanna play'.

That's right, the quarter we were most competitive in was when the players disobeyed instruction.

 

[ferball]

Go to a clip from 5 years ago and you'll find the same setup.

Just incredibly staid, incredibly predictable.

If you look at the gif from around 2.2 seconds you'll see that because Bellchambers is under no pressure and in control of the tap and the space around the ball he's able to keep his left hand on the ball and direct it to Cunners' man Heppel (as an afterthought I'm guessing,) who has let Cunners free to dominate the spot the ball looked like it was going to. In a proper ruck contest it would have been much harder for Bellchambers to do this and Cunners would have had prime position with our (other) hardest player right by him for support.

Basically both sides made the same play, our players were in front at the contest in what i'd consider the best spot and a poor ruck contest cost us.

That's down to the ruckman.

And that's what is gonna happen with the 6 6 6 rule. Its gonna be a shoot out/guessing game and centre bounces will play out like that more often. It seems that's already happening across the league, to me anyway.

Goldy's value as an extra midfielder is dependent on him being able to follow up and influence the contest but with the fast break play the 666 rule encourages this is pointless (at centre bounces anyway.) He's there but running after the ball as it flies into their forward line.

Obviously what happens at stoppages around the ground is a different story.

 

[shintemaster]

It gets worse every time you watch.

Jed and cunners clearly are still working out playing together but the cake is Higgins accountability on Shiel.

Yep. People have been happily giving it to Goldy but you watch that and he is the only player in their that comes close to putting any pressure on 3 different players while his team mates (whose job it is to compete) stand around with their fingers up their arses (except Higgins who basically ambles off in the other direction).

 

[Cool Kangas]

Did JZ speak at all post match? If so giantroo do you have footage cos I can’t find anything.

 

[Themanbun]

If you look at the gif from around 2.2 seconds you'll see that because Bellchambers is under no pressure and in control of the tap and the space around the ball he's able to keep his left hand on the ball and direct it to Cunners' man Heppel (as an afterthought I'm guessing,) who has let Cunners free to dominate the spot the ball looked like it was going to. In a proper ruck contest it would have been much harder for Bellchambers to do this and Cunners would have had prime position with our (other) hardest player right by him for support.

Basically both sides made the same play, our players were in front at the contest in what i'd consider the best spot and a poor ruck contest cost us.

That's down to the ruckman.

And that's what is gonna happen with the 6 6 6 rule. Its gonna be a shoot out/guessing game and centre bounces will play out like that more often. It seems that's already happening across the league, to me anyway.

Goldy's value as an extra midfielder is dependent on him being able to follow up and influence the contest but with the fast break play the 666 rule encourages this is pointless (at centre bounces anyway.) He's there but running after the ball as it flies into their forward line.

Obviously what happens at stoppages around the ground is a different story.

Watch it a few more times. All three of our players are goalside at the time of the tap whilst one Essendon player is goalside, one is defensive and the other is at or around the ruck contest itself.

We did not do the right thing there, and what Essendon did well was they played for the lost taps.

According to Brad we actually won first possession frequently. And that's because if Ben or Jed won the ball, 1-2 Essendon mids made a direct path straight to our designated 'outside' player so they could pressure him.

I respect your analysis but I'm not seeing that clip the same way you are.

 

[Grogg]

We have 2 plays. The "dead drop" tap to the centre at an incomming Cunners feet, or the flick over Goldys shoulder to a sweeping Higgins. Basically ultra attacking and completely contingent on Goldy executing perfectly. With the emphasis on perfect. Most centre square ruck contests are a crap shoot and the hitouts to advantage vs total hitouts stats bare that out. If you're running an easily readable play on endless loop, it's not hard to understand our abysmal return s in there.

 

[Only Forwards]

Not one kid doing anything in the magoos.
We must have the worst young talent in comp
Bring in hrovat and lmac this week, brilliant

We have a mismanaged list.

Theres talent there.

There is zero belief.