Preview Round 6, 2019: St.Kilda v Adelaide - Marvel Stadium, Saturday 27th April, 4:35PM AEST

Who Wins?

  • Saints

    Votes: 81 81.8%
  • Crows

    Votes: 18 18.2%

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He's a year older though so it's no huge surprise.

And I'm not sure he'd gone past Clark. Clark is clearly being developed as a midfielder and not a back flanker. It's a lot harder to hold down a spot in the midfield at 19. He's had two games in the 2's and has been named best and second best.
Clarke hasn't played as a full time mid in the seniors and can't hold a place though. It's not saying he'll be better over a career or anything but Paton is looking like he's ahead right at this moment in time.
 

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I think demoralised is a bit strong. Disappointed that they aren't getting selected maybe.

I'm confident given the change in attitude over summer that they will be aware of what's required and will be receiving constant feedback and support accordingly.

All the talk on here about players rotting at Sandy etc is just forum hyperbole and people cracking it because a kid in another team has a good game.

Both and all players would be pretty clear on their KPIs and their spot in line.

As Stav says, we have to temper our expectations and think long term.
Having senior experienced guys like Armo and Gilbo at Sandy will help our young players in this regard. Their ability to mentor and support the likes of Coff & Hunter will be vital in their development.

The club has been in a position for too long where getting senior games into kids has been a priority.. maybe this has stymied development of some. We're hopefully entering a phase where the kids really have to earn AFL games... although injuries are certainly making that requirement tougher to enforce.
 
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This is a really good point. I read some folk on here knocking a kid like McKenzie.

But he is clearly loved by the selection committee because he performs his role. If a player is back in after a week out despite serious competition for his position, he is obviously doing a good job of meeting his KPIs.

As supporters, we can’t easily see that type of stuff. But this coaching group knows what it’s doing. Trust in them, I say.

I think when you have a coach who's mantra is hard at the contest, Mc Kenzie is his ideal player. He's like Geary, better skilled players who sit off the contest are left out while he's nearly first picked every week. Richo loves his stock cars more than his Ferraris.
 

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Clarke hasn't played as a full time mid in the seniors and can't hold a place though. It's not saying he'll be better over a career or anything but Paton is looking like he's ahead right at this moment in time.
Well one is in the seniors and one isn't, although the do play in different positions and if Carlisle, Robbo and DMAC hadn't been out he wouldn't have gotten a game.

But good on him. Grab your opportunities.
 

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Clarke hasn't played as a full time mid in the seniors and can't hold a place though. It's not saying he'll be better over a career or anything but Paton is looking like he's ahead right at this moment in time.
Fair enough, well if we are basing it off one game then Paton has gone past him.

I'm really not concerned about it as Clark is showing in the VFL that he is developing very nicely as a midfielder, which is what we drafted him for.

It's great to see Paton coming on and I think he's going to be terrific for us, but I'd be surprised if he has a better career than Clark.
 

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I think when you have a coach who's mantra is hard at the contest, Mc Kenzie is his ideal player. He's like Geary, better skilled players who sit off the contest are left out while he's nearly first picked every week. Richo loves his stock cars more than his Ferraris.
Think he likes players in defence who stop their opposition scoring. Don't know if we have any defensive Ferrari's anyway.

Melbourne are full of Farrari's, want them in before a DMAC? Not me.
 
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Think he likes players in defence who stop their opposition scoring. Don't know if we have any defensive Ferrari's anyway.

Melbourne are full of Farrari's, want them in before a DMAC? Not me.

Melbourne are more like those 1980s kit car Ferraris that were like fibreglass panels bolted on a Volkswagen. Wilkie is like a Mercedes, he is efficient and Germanic in his output, no fuss just precision.

Jack Billings would be my example of a guy who's output has been outstanding and in coaches votes should be a mile in front of all our other players. The fact Mc Kenzie went so well in last years BF is an example of how highly he rates grunt work.
 

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Melbourne are more like those 1980s kit car Ferraris that were like fibreglass panels bolted on a Volkswagen. Wilkie is like a Mercedes, he is efficient and Germanic in his output, no fuss just precision.

Jack Billings would be my example of a guy who's output has been outstanding and in coaches votes should be a mile in front of all our other players. The fact Mc Kenzie went so well in last years BF is an example of how highly he rates grunt work.
Maybe MacKenzie is underrated
 
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Think he likes players in defence who stop their opposition scoring. Don't know if we have any defensive Ferrari's anyway.

Melbourne are full of Farrari's, want them in before a DMAC? Not me.
McKenzie has made plenty of mistakes playing as a defender this year.. give away stupid free kicks, spoiling teammates and being outmarked by direct opponent.. the question is apart from Geary, do we have another defender better than McKenzie.. who's quick, tackles; aggressive but a deer in headlights sometimes.. Clark should be played as a mid, not halfback/general defender.. the only other option deserving a call up is White, who is not as quick/hard and haven't played senior football for over a year.. so they went with the McKenzie.
 
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Longer is not a viable option. He’s the complete opposite to what we’ve got going in there that’s working. It also turns one problem into two by taking our in form ruckmen out of the ruck. Should never be considered again.
He's first on the emergency list though, any chance he is a late minute inclusion?

Don't like the look of that one bit, but maybe it's just because of a Sandy bye?
 

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It’s already been said on here, but if Bruce is out I’d play Parker in that role. Tell him to bring the ball to ground, he’s tall enough with a good leap to do that. He also has a decent tank.

He’s about the same height as all the other options except Marshal, who must stay in the ruck IMO.

I’d bring in young to play Parker’s role and then play Parker in Bruce’s. We just don’t have a good replacement for Bruce, but I recon this is the best option.

Also imagine trying to rebound out of this forward line.

Lonie Membrey Long
Young Parker Kent
Definitely think we can exploit the crows backs with pace & pressure...make the likes of Hartigan look slow..Just got to hit up the passes if no one is up there to crash the packs.
 

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I think when you have a coach who's mantra is hard at the contest, Mc Kenzie is his ideal player. He's like Geary, better skilled players who sit off the contest are left out while he's nearly first picked every week. Richo loves his stock cars more than his Ferraris.
Rubbish.

Maybe if those better skilled players had the capacity to go hard like Dmac, they'd also get a game.
 

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I think demoralised is a bit strong. Disappointed that they aren't getting selected maybe.

I'm confident given the change in attitude over summer that they will be aware of what's required and will be receiving constant feedback and support accordingly.

All the talk on here about players rotting at Sandy etc is just forum hyperbole and people cracking it because a kid in another team has a good game.

Both and all players would be pretty clear on their KPIs and their spot in line.

As Stav says, we have to temper our expectations and think long term.
I didn’t say they WERE demoralised, I said as long as it doesn’t get to that stage. Don’t think it’s such a big step between being disappointed and becoming demoralised. But you’d hope, with good man management, it wouldn’t get to that stage.
 

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Clarke hasn't played as a full time mid in the seniors and can't hold a place though. It's not saying he'll be better over a career or anything but Paton is looking like he's ahead right at this moment in time.
What’s the rush though?
At the moment we’re going ok without him we don’t have to rush him in. Let him develop his tank, his skills, his confidence, his body and whatever else he need to develop to be a top midfielder, in the VFL.

Then when we need him, he’ll be ready.
Pretty sure he will get time at some stage this year.

We’re at a stage now where we can afford to let our youngsters serve their apprenticeship in the seconds. Surely that’s a good thing?
 

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Maybe if Dmac had any skill using the ball he wouldn't be so widely criticised and have his selection questioned over someone like White.
Are we talking about the same guy that is going at 84% disposal efficiency this year?
 

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Jack Billings would be my example of a guy who's output has been outstanding and in coaches votes should be a mile in front of all our other players. The fact Mc Kenzie went so well in last years BF is an example of how highly he rates grunt work.
Understandable. Aren’t premiership teams built on the back of excellent defence? We absolutely need players with grunt and toughness. Gears is a prime example and if DMac is like him then we’ll be in good stead for the next generation.
 

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Don't quite know how to feel about this game. Adelaide game always seems to be a thrashing in recent years and they will be more up and about after last week. They do front running really well once they get up and about.
I'm hoping like Melbourne last week, their win against Gold Coast masks a lot of their issues from the previous week.

From reading the Adelaide board, it sounds like they have picked a slow team which absolutely plays into our hands.
 

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McKenzie has made plenty of mistakes playing as a defender this year.. give away stupid free kicks, spoiling teammates and being outmarked by direct opponent.. the question is apart from Geary, do we have another defender better than McKenzie.. who's quick, tackles; aggressive but a deer in headlights sometimes.. Clark should be played as a mid, not halfback/general defender.. the only other option deserving a call up is White, who is not as quick/hard and haven't played senior football for over a year.. so they went with the McKenzie.
Yeah nah. Dear in the headlights
 

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Maybe if Dmac had any skill using the ball he wouldn't be so widely criticised and have his selection questioned over someone like White.
D Mac's disposals has improved greatly since the Gold Coast game last year. All he needed was some confidence in his ability.
He may never be as highly praised as White for his disposal, but it isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
 
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