Round 6 Pros/Cons

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  • Clearances-can someone please tell me where we are in the comp for this statistic? Surely bottom 6. An absolute disgrace.
  • Don Pyke. Can't believe nobody wants to talk about this? As our strategy and stoppages coach this is where we are failing weak in and weak out. Hasn't been in the system since 2005 and it shows.
  • 3 ruck man. Wow. Give it up Simpson. It doesn't work when a tall forward line relies on the midfield winning the ball and getting it in their quickly. You need to win the stoppages and we clearly don't.
  • Wellingham. Drop him.
  • Gaff - cant run. Isn't fit. The heaviest bloke from the waist down we have in the midfield. I've said it before but he needs to drop some weight. It's a running game now and he doesn't need bulk. His role is to run, run, and keep freak'n running. Dragging his feet even when he walks.
  • Forward line is choc full of talent. Getting absolutely abused with this new gameplan and structure. 8 marks inside 50 for the whole game is not good enough. Darling and Kennedy only averaging 2 marks each for the whole year. Not good enough Simpson.
  • No flooding, no slowing down of play, no nothing to stop the Run of play today. Thought the coaching was again ordinary, particularly the choice of sub. They bring on a forward and we take off a defender whilst leaving our 3 logs on the ground. Just wow!!!
 

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its taken brown how many years to be at the level he is now?Good on him for show up to play this year.Plenty wrote him off(me included)
I think The Gov is roundabouts his level already.I think we will see that by the end of the season.He will get thrown about a bit and I hope he ends up at CHF ,that's where he is needed the most in my opinion,but it may slow his progress down a bit
Sure thing.
 

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It upsets me that all the report are saying Carlton finished all over the Eagles. NO. The eagles just didn't kick goals in the last quarter. 1.8 to 5.1. 9 shots to 6. Inside 50s comfortably in our favor in the final quarter. We missed our chances, they took theirs, end of story. That's how they won. Congratulations for taking their chances. You need to do that in a football game. Not that they ran us into the ground or anything.

Anyway moving on...

Positives
- We should have won. We didn't play that well, but we had the game in hand
- Our back line is still functioning well
- McGovern didn't look out of place at all
- Bennell and Yeo are great pick ups
- Rosa's mark - Sensational

Negatives
- Kennedy is out of form (though a few kicks to his chest would be nice). Dropped a few easy ones.
- Nic Nat, while not bad today, just doesn't have that spring anymore. I'm very worried long-term about his greatest strength
- Yeah, kicking cost us
- Gaff, just can't keep his feet. While he covers the ground well, he has no explosiveness. When it's one on one he very rarely wins
- Wellingham was horrible. Too talented to be that bad
- Kicking into the forward line was terrible. You can live with it when hacking from a pack or whatever, but we are missing 20m passes under no pressure
- Commentators - lol - just horrible
 

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Really cant find any pros.
The Eagles get shafted and cock up a win and I watch Spiderman 2 and Gwen Stacy dies. FML.
 

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Really cant find any pros.
The Eagles get shafted and cock up a win and I watch Spiderman 2 and Gwen Stacy dies. FML.
What the hell *******! Some of us are waiting to see that!

On another note...

A big Con for me was Simpsons usage of Darling. I called it early on in the Gameday thread that the Darling/Walker matchup was not a good one for us because Walker was matching Darls for leg speed. So what happens. Simmo literally leaves that matchup the entire game, despite quarter after quarter of Darls being nowhere near it.

I don't remember him throwing Darls into the mid once either. His impact would have been better if Priddis could actually hit him on the chest when he's finally opened up some space between him and his opponent but hey, that's too much to ask.
 

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I have to tell you - I've avoided the Priddis debate like the plague for the last 238 years or however long it has been going, but tonight really confused me. Those stats are hard to argue with - but, it seems that opposition coaches are quite happy to try and structure up in such a way that he's left out as the loose man. How many times did he collect it on the wing basically free of defensive pressure? It's not like he's getting in those positions from gut running.

I love the man to pieces and his vilification on here is nuts, but lordy some of those kicks tonight. Lordy. Con >:|
 

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I have to tell you - I've avoided the Priddis debate like the plague for the last 238 years or however long it has been going, but tonight really confused me. Those stats are hard to argue with - but, it seems that opposition coaches are quite happy to try and structure up in such a way that he's left out as the loose man. How many times did he collect it on the wing basically free of defensive pressure? It's not like he's getting in those positions from gut running.

I love the man to pieces and his vilification on here is nuts, but lordy some of those kicks tonight. Lordy. Con >:|
And how many times did that amount to anything productive?

The first time he ****** up his kick to darling by putting it on the deck. After Darling had led hard mind you.

The second time didn't want to take the kick, so he floated a handball to Wellingham, who had to give it back to Priddis, who then fluffed another kick.

^ Real productive football that. Quality stuff. Priddis is what you call "damaging"
 

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I'm a bit sick of this whole mentality which seems to be very prevalent on this forum of 'lets only blame our team' when shit goes wrong, sometimes things outside our teams performance affect games we play in and yes sometimes some of our players who aren't the usual whipping boys have shockers, sometimes a couple of shockers in a row. Watching footy is an emotional experience if you love your club and yeah you're never gonna agree with everything other fans say, but really the whole 'oh you're an idiot coz you have a different view to mine' sort of shit is so stupid.
 

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I'm a bit sick of this whole mentality which seems to be very prevalent on this forum of 'lets only blame our team' when shit goes wrong, sometimes things outside our teams performance affect games we play in and yes sometimes some of our players who aren't the usual whipping boys have shockers, sometimes a couple of shockers in a row. Watching footy is an emotional experience if you love your club and yeah you're never gonna agree with everything other fans say, but really the whole 'oh you're an idiot coz you have a different view to mine' sort of shit is so stupid.
Pretty sure Thorne apologised to you a few posts later chief, keep reading
 

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And how many times did that amount to anything productive?

The first time he ****** up his kick to darling by putting it on the deck. After Darling had led hard mind you.

The second time he floated a handball to Wellingham, who had to give it back to Priddis, who then fluffed another kick.

^ Real productive football that. Quality stuff. Priddis is what you call "damaging"
There's a bigger picture problem that you're touching on there - our forward entry just sucks. It looked to me tonight that Gaff was being played off a back flank? If so, and with Wellingham having a shocker, and Ellis/Hurn out - that's 4 of our 5-6 best kicks (arguably) missing from forward entry manoeuvres. That's a massive problem.
 

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There's a bigger picture problem that you're touching on there - our forward entry just sucks. It looked to me tonight that Gaff was being played off a back flank? If so, and with Wellingham having a shocker, and Ellis/Hurn out - that's 4 of our 5-6 best kicks (arguably) missing from forward entry manoeuvres. That's a massive problem.
You can add Yeo to that list.

11 kicks at 80% DE. We need the ball in his hands more.
 

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yeah nothing against thorne89, its just that sort of stuff has happened a couple of times and thought in my slightly drunk state I'd bring it up, not trying to have a go at anyone in particular just airing my grievances, trying to deal with a terrible loss.
 

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I think people need to back off jk a bit. I thought he was pretty good tonight and there were at least 4 occasions where he had a meter on his opponent running into space and we just put it over his head and didn't give him a chance. Our ball use has dropped off significantly lately.
Well **** me !!! We must have been watching different games . JK dropped the ones he should have clunked ( as he did last week ).

But more to the point every time the ball hit the ground he was beaten one on one.

As for the passing to him OK I wont disagree with you it was shithouse. :(
 

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CONS
- (Irrational rant) Alright guys, I was sitting with a Carlton supporting mate, surrounded by Carlton supporters, half way through the fourth quarter, getting ready to let rip into them about Visy, Judd for Masten + JK, plus the fact that a 189cm lightly built half-back flanker was killing Warnock at contests (Yeo), then they serve that shit up. I had to deal with the supporters making noises, stamping their feet, all that usual shit we supporters do at Subiaco, and they could've iced the game. Instead, I had 6 year olds ready to murder me with glee after the siren. F**k all of you who missed goals in that final quarter, Rosa, Shuey, Priddis, JK, ALL OF YOU.
- Midfield - Sick of the fumbly, slow-ass ball movement. Priddis should not be getting uncontested possessions, clearly a consideration by Carlton. Was disgusting watching Priddis, Selwood and Wellingham take taps in the final minutes while our best performing midfielders (Masten, Shuey) were sitting on flanks. Took far too long to adjust back to that set up, and only then did we get some movement going the other way.
- Forwardline - Feels like the forwardline was a Walshy + Suma special, given the way that Longmuir has seemed utterly incapable of adapting their excellent pressure systems to the new game-plan.
- Zach Tuohy is a flog and a w**nker, glad Shuey took him to town in the first quarter.
- Wellingham - 13 touches, Simpson. Just get him back up the ground into the guts and play Tunners or Colledge FFS.
- JK - Unsure if badly out of form, or just struggling with piss poor delivery. Probably both.
- Hutchings - Poor Half-Forward rotation, see Wellingham for solution, except Hutch is back to the WAFL until Priddis gets injured.
- Too many talls - Knew this would cost us late, especially when our mids overlapping run (Really, we had them cooked) was mitigated by our lumbersome key posts - Malthouse set up so many mismatches between size and pace we couldn't keep up. Was brutal to watch but was bound to happen.
- Resolve - Simpson's right, we didn't crack in when the game was on the line. This is what killed us rather than any single method of scoring.

PROS
- Yeo, Sheppard, Ellis (MIA), Hurn (MIA obviously), Bennell - Hell of a back line we are building and have utilised. Hickmott's doing an excellent job and was a well considered promotion at the end of last year. Bennell got pantsed a bit early but that second half was superb.
- Mackenzie, Schofield, McGovern, Brown - Got out the back on us early did Waite, but Simpson/Hickmott changed the match-ups and I thought we dominated their talls as much as their defenders did ours.
- Cripps was inaccurate, but was zippy, active, and put on some decent pressure. Clearly worth persevering with.
- Gaff was most outside again, but really went when was his turn.
- SHEPPARD (sponsorship emphasis)
- Shuey and Masten are becoming really reliable players for our midfield line-up, Simpson is making subtle adjustments each week with our midfield and I'm glad he's realising these guys are the glue to build around (at least for the time being).
- Subtle adjustments across the ground - We couldn't kick a winning score last week but this week we created far more scoring opportunities through changes in our positions (Rosa playing more offensively, Gaff more defensively, Bennell and McGovern being released up the ground). It wasn't awe-inspiring but is proof we are more flexible. It's good to see and this pro-activity gets us out of 4 goal deficits.
 
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I'm a bit sick of this whole mentality which seems to be very prevalent on this forum of 'lets only blame our team' when shit goes wrong, sometimes things outside our teams performance affect games we play in and yes sometimes some of our players who aren't the usual whipping boys have shockers, sometimes a couple of shockers in a row. Watching footy is an emotional experience if you love your club and yeah you're never gonna agree with everything other fans say, but really the whole 'oh you're an idiot coz you have a different view to mine' sort of shit is so stupid.
There's a bigger picture problem that you're touching on there - our forward entry just sucks. It looked to me tonight that Gaff was being played off a back flank? If so, and with Wellingham having a shocker, and Ellis/Hurn out - that's 4 of our 5-6 best kicks (arguably) missing from forward entry manoeuvres. That's a massive problem.
Agree with both those posts. Just finished watching the replay, a bit crook and can't sleep. No, the game didn't make me crook.
Anyhoo, after watching the replay again I'm actually not disappointed. Second week in a row they should've won. Yes, bad kicking is bad football but they certainly got enough of the ball and should have won comfortably.
The kicking out of defence was good, yet into the forward line, about a foot to high. Funny how the kicking changes when in the front half.
Didn't think anyone was especially bad, not even Priddis. Scott Selwood was the lowest DE with 60%, most others ran in the 70s, so that was an improvement.
We've unearthed a few players in the past few weeks, like Bennell, Sheppard 2.0 and McGovernator. Lycett looks good to me and Sinclair is piling on the pressure in the WAFL.
Chill out people, I don't reckon it's that bad. The sky has not yet fallen. :thumbsu::drunk:
 

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We've unearthed a few players in the past few weeks, like Bennell, Sheppard 2.0 and McGovernator. Lycett looks good to me and Sinclair is piling on the pressure in the WAFL.
:thumbsu::drunk:
Before we capitulated (and I started getting texts from all the people in my life who support Carlton, sigh) I was thinking to myself this was going to be a win built on the kids to some extent. Agree there's a lot to be happy about on that front.

Also, dead set right about kicking one foot too high. Cripps is a good one for that. I've said it before but his vision is 10/10. If he can actually execute the ideas he has, he'll be a gem.
 
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