Autopsy Round 7 vs Saints rant thread

[rampar]

umpiring was extremely shit and out coached by a rookie coach.

Ratts on the bench fiddling with stats ... needs to be back in the box. If you need to stare at players as they come off the ground then get a mad dog mental case assistant coach to do it for you.

We have a reputation: bottle the game, loose man in defence, easy goals on the break.

 

[Big Sim]

OK. Breaking it down.

Bad kicking is bad football. We had a few chances to stop the rot and squandered them.

Stupid ****ing macho bullshit. Picking fights before the bounce. When you do that to a team that has been all the way expect them to back it up, tried to go out and be "intense" only to put their opponents in the right frame of mind

Players that wilt under pressure, have poor disposal. Thinking Joseph, Garlett, Bower.

The defense. Too many players go up to spoil not enough stay down to collect. St Kilda continues to lose the aerial balls, but mopped up nicely by handballing to 3-4 players who did the hard yards.

The run. Fitness staff ****ed up, boys were out on there feet in the last, and were the more tired team since the third. 8 day break should not leave players that tired.

Protecting Murphy. Was targeted, and put down several times off the ball. Umpires couldn't give two shits, so the boys had to stand in. To note this was after there big machofest in the first, needed to back it up by protecting a teammate.

Most of all they didn't want enough.

Agree with this post. didn't seem to be at all organised with two or three of our defenders all leaving their men to go at the ball and then all missing it.

But they seemed to have loose men everywhere, all the time...what the f*&k is wrong with man on man? Fisher didn't play but some useless substitute playing loose man in their defence still owned the footy whereas at one point Ellard was up against Kosi in our goal square...

Bottom line is that two things killed us: letting them get three soft goals at the end of the first quarter and one on the siren in the second. All due to lapses. the other thing was SENIOR players missing simple set shots that kept the momentum their way.

We had our chances but weren't good enough and unless we improve on our very average form of the last month we will not make the top four. Like last year, the better teams have smelt the blood in the water and come at us like hungry sharks. When they do we seem to have no answers.

Last comment: we do not bat nearly as deep as we thought we did. Our bottom six are not up to it when our better players are not cutting the mustard.

 

[Krooooze]

Walker did much more, and since moving forward, is three times the forward Eddie is, unfortunately Eddie always has been, without a SINGLE DOUBT a cameo player, comes and goes.

Eddie was giving away frees left right and center - And which part of 3 goals in three games is escaping you ? That is absolutely unacceptable and proves my point entirely. Eddie was running around like a headless chicken last night, I was five rows from him and I see it all the time with Eddie, when things aren't being handed to him on a platter from the gift shop ready wrapped he runs around in circles not knowing where to run to or what to do - just NO IDEA - its almost comical to watch if it wasn't so sad.

This isn't something new for Eddie - I don't want to concentrate the on him, but this was his entire modus operandi for YEARS and the old Eddie was back last night in SPADES and has been for three weeks. PERIOD.

Like it or lump it - but there is absolutely no denying it. And saying Eddie is ever better than Walker is just ridiculous.

You're being harsh on Eddie there, he's the only forward who can finish consistently. And whilst he might go in and out of games, he still has the ability to do things other can't.

My biggest concern at the moment is Jeffy. I don't know wtf has happened to him. He's so clumsy when he tackles, giving away numerous free kicks when they aren't needed. He is so messy when picking up the ball and is such a poor user and decision maker. His development has stagnated somewhat.

I am starting to wonder if his spot in the side is warranted, cos let's face it, he has been very poor to date.

 

[Big Sim]

umpiring was extremely shit and out coached by a rookie coach.

Ratts on the bench fiddling with stats ... needs to be back in the box. If you need to stare at players as they come off the ground then get a mad dog mental case assistant coach to do it for you.

We have a reputation: bottle the game, loose man in defence, easy goals on the break.

Yes yes and yes.

 

[Stickler]

not blaming the umpires for the loss - but geez there was some questionable disposals last night. I don't think I understand the "holding the ball" rule anymore. Seems taking on the play and then dropping the ball is acceptable these days??

 

[serenityNow]

I don't normally ever comment on other clubs forums, but the disgusting comment above, couldn't be let go.

Even after a humiliating loss tonight, you still don't get it do you. You have to EARN a win, it is not granted by sipping lattes in Lygon Street and press releases that you will win the flag this year.

Sit a number of your soft passengers down and make them watch the tape of Lenny Hayes from last night. He earns what he gets, he doesn't expect it, because he thinks its his right.

A StKilda supporter handing out advice on winning

 

[laminex]

not blaming the umpires for the loss - but geez there was some questionable disposals last night. I don't think I understand the "holding the ball" rule anymore. Seems taking on the play and then dropping the ball is acceptable these days??

I will teach you about it, holding the ball is now if you go for the ball and wearing a Carlton jumper on the flip side hand balling means you can just throw it as long as you have a Saints jumper on.

Really how many times did they get tackled and just drop the ball or just throw it to another saints player, they got 4 goals form bullshit free's and another 3 or 4 from just plain throwing the ball. smacktard godard made a joke of himself last night diving every chance he got.

The umps started this year of well but as the year has gone and the AFL have changed rules week to week i think they are as confused as anyone.

 

[Bradschi]

was at the game last night. the confusing umpiring aside, we just look a shadow of the team that took the competition by storm in the first 3 rounds.

last night we couldn't hit targets and constantly turning it over was a major concern last night, we need to improve the quality of our disposals, and also the quantity of it, even when we had it on a few occasions we just bombed it down the field and hoped for the best.

that is not the only area we need to improve on. with our clearances there's two explanation for the last month of decline, either that other teams have figured us out and are following essendon's game plan against us, or that we have, as ratts would put it, lost our spark. Kreuzer was brilliant last night, loved his work, but we really need to start using it to our advantage.

also, last night the st kilda players were left by themselves on too many occasions, I know we double teamed riewoldt, but there still shouldn't be 5 st kilda blokes to 2 of ours.

now, I hope the boys can bounce back next week, but if we keep playing like the last 4 rounds against the crows, I honestly do not think we deserve a top 4 spot, let alone challenging for the flag.

 

[soism]

I don't normally ever comment on other clubs forums, but the disgusting comment above, couldn't be let go.

Even after a humiliating loss tonight, you still don't get it do you. You have to EARN a win, it is not granted by sipping lattes in Lygon Street and press releases that you will win the flag this year.

Sit a number of your soft passengers down and make them watch the tape of Lenny Hayes from last night. He earns what he gets, he doesn't expect it, because he thinks its his right.

Thanks for the advice o wise one. That must be the reason why the Aints have so much silverware in the cupboard.

 

[Poseidon]

We need to show some balls starting at the selection table. Drop Gibbs.

And bring in Bootsma.

 

[Big Sim]

Probably already commented on but I don't have the stomach to read all 25 pages in this thread.

My last rant: Channel 9 team. They couldn't have been any more pro Saint Kilda if they had worn scarves and beanies.

I HATE LUKE DARCY.

 

[bluemarq]

Missed the game.

I'd promised the missus last week she could watch "the Voice" last night, without bothering to check what was running against it.

I guess I should grateful for my own laziness and carelessness.

What happened to the team that walloped Collingwood, that tore Brisbane to pieces?

Extemely lucky against Freo (outside the first 15 minutes of the third quater, we were outplayed in that game), lazy and complacent against GWS (clearly viewed as a week off by most of the players) and now the gutless crap that was dished up last night.

I don't care how quick you are...there is NO SUBSTITUTE for hardness at the ball.

 

[audas]

You're being harsh on Eddie there, he's the only forward who can finish consistently. And whilst he might go in and out of games, he still has the ability to do things other can't.

My biggest concern at the moment is Jeffy. I don't know wtf has happened to him. He's so clumsy when he tackles, giving away numerous free kicks when they aren't needed. He is so messy when picking up the ball and is such a poor user and decision maker. His development has stagnated somewhat.

I am starting to wonder if his spot in the side is warranted, cos let's face it, he has been very poor to date.

Walker is way, way, way better finisher than Eddie, on a comment like that not even sure what footy club you've been watching.

Walker is so consistently good its not funny, EASILY our best shot on goal, far better run/ carry/kick as he showed last night. Eddies ability lies in being able to work in tight traffic, and good tackler - he was tackling last night and that's it - his traffic work last night went to shit. And that one simple talent is why he is there.

The blues were spending half the game playing rugby in tight traffic in front of goals - everyone around me was wondering if it was Rugby or footy - THIS is Eddies bread and butter, this is EXACTLY what he is meant to do - and he absolutely failed to do it.


Not going to spend time singling out Eddie - but he should not be avoiding scrutiny when in a loss like last night when he absolutely did not do his specialty job which is tight, in traffic goals sneak - did not do it. Claiming he is our best most consistent forward is just ridiculous - Walker kills Eddie about three times over. He's only played three games and has kicked twice Eddies goals in those three, almost as many Marks in TOTAL, and almost as many possessions - again, almost as many possessions and marks and Eddie has played every single game while Walker has played three. That's not just high praise for Walker, that's an indictment on Eddie.

Eddie put in a stunning performance in a losing team against Essendon this year - and that was the moment I said he has shaken his Junk Time Eddie status - he did very well. I was premature. He is a great player, and an excellent performer when on song, he really is - he needs to step up and find a consistency above all else. He needs to work out what it is he can do on a regular basis to find the footy, instead of chasing "Where it Was" -


Im not dismissing Eddie as he has really stepped up from two years ago, I am saying he is in the transition phase and the thing which is missing from his game is consistency. Walker has found it - in SPADES.

 

[Keyza]

Probably already commented on but I don't have the stomach to read all 25 pages in this thread.

My last rant: Channel 9 team. They couldn't have been any more pro Saint Kilda if they had worn scarves and beanies.

I HATE LUKE DARCY.

Dont you mean the channel 7 team? I was at the game unfortunately so havent heard or seen the coverage. I have no intention of watching it either.

 

[blueboy25]

I have finally calmed down after watching that performance last night and it was quickly deleted off the foxtel IQ box this morning.

As others have mentioned we were second to the ball and a lot of players shirked the issue when it came their time to put their head over the footy.

Jamison has picked up the Thornton trait of looking sideways or backwards as soon as he gets the ball which slows down our momentum. Henderson and Bower at least try and take the play on, sometimes they get caught but at least they are trying to make the play.

They better put in a good performance this week!!!!

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I posted this in another thread, but believe it is better suited to this one.

Round 7 was meant to be the round were we hit the number 1 spot and could almost taste a top 4 finish. But now we have dropped right back into the wolves den and teams (I feel) are starting to work us out.

Come the end of round 8, we potentially could be at the bottom end of the 8.

Beating Adelaide this week at the ground we Carlton supporters dred, will be no easy task.

I haven't been following the Northern Blues, but feel a hard bodied young Watson should be a certain call up for Bower. Bower too many times last night instead of pin pointing a 40ish meter kick, looped it in the air and it was easily picked off. The main time I remember this happening was about 4 minutes out from the end. Although we were probably never going to erase the margin the Saints had set, this loose piece of play made me cringe, more than any of Milne's goals for the night.

Ellard must play each and every week. When coming on mid way into the 3rd, kicking that goal and taking a few marks. I though, he has had nearly as many marks as the rest of the team for the night...

Carrazzo, could now be our most important player. I never thought I would say that, but his drive and shutdown/win the ball myself, style of play is what we are really lacking.

Resting Judd and Waite, in hindsight, I believe was a really bad move. I get that playing GWS is considered an easy game. But this was a huge chance to blow other teams away with a really healthly percentage. Waite looked asleep most of the night and Judd (although he collected 29 possessions) his silk wasn't there. He fumbled and just looked like he had to will himself into the contest rather than being his normal dominant self.

Although I am dissappointed with our performance last night and know we need to get that mongrel back that we had against Collingwood and the last 3 quarters against Brisbane, I am not sure how we can acheive this within a week for Adelaide. Thank god Taylor Walker won't be lining up. If we lose without their main forward playing, alarm bells maybe sounding (which sounds silly only 8 rounds in).

We can get back to what we were against Collingwood, but we don't have the appropriate players available until midway through this year now due to injuries. Carrazzo, Laidler and Yarran (who I hope is back this week) are big inclusions for us. And Warnock is a great Ruckman. We have we been caught up in the hype of Hampson getting better in a role rather than playing Warnock (before he got injured) as our domintant ruckman??? Thornton is another that should probably get a game most weeks.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

PS how sh1t was that free picked out against Jamison where he touched that pee heart's jumper on the boundry in I think the second, which resulted in a Milne goal??????????? I threw the remote and my wife gave me the old, its just a game line. Which made me even more pissed off!!!

 

[cookie monster]

Anyone see Ratten's email? Categorically said there were no structural issues last night.



ARE YOU ****ING BLIND. ****EN INCOMPETENCE PERSONIFIED

 

[blueboy25]

I threw the remote and my wife gave me the old, its just a game line. Which made me even more pissed off!!!

Know the feeling brother!!

Had the wife and mother in law on the couch last night commentating during the game and they then wonder why I get a little heated.

I really need to build myself a sound proof man cave.

 

[pepalenko]

Anyone see Ratten's email? Categorically said there were no structural issues last night.



ARE YOU ****ING BLIND. ****EN INCOMPETENCE PERSONIFIED

Are you able to post the email?
Are all members supposed to get this?

 

[blue healer]

Know the feeling brother!!

Had the wife and mother in law on the couch last night commentating during the game and they then wonder why I get a little heated.

I really need to build myself a sound proof man cave.

Mine goes to bed when we're losing usually accompanied by a comment about me being a shit umpire.

 

[Blue since 72]

Need Laidler for his ability to read the flight of the ball. Duigan seems to have lost that ability.

Need Carrazzo so he can shut down the opposition's best mid and because he does not panic.

Need Yarran to be able to cut off half the goals going into an open forward line. Were slow as treacle back there tonight.

Quite simply, our depth can not sustain us for more than a match or two.

Need to get some enthusiasm and effort into the side. Starting to see the Bootsma charm. Kid looks polished. Tonight was a night that suited Lucas too by the way.

Russell, Tuohy, Armfield, Ellard, Joseph, Duigan, Curnow .... all battling for those last 4 positions in the side realistically. A couple are out of form, one never really in form, and others are limited skill wise.

Armfield and Ellard the only ones that earned their spot tonight. Curnow necessary because it is him or McLean.

Did tonight tell us that Murphy is our most important player? Stop him, let Judd have more freedom and we never looked like winning.

Agree those ins would make a heap of difference and also agree Lucas would have been handy on the HF line last night.

Unfortunately AJ offered very little defensively on Milne and nothing offensively, Tuohy cannot yet and may never be able to play on smart small forwards, JR and Duigan where largely ineffective and JR appears to have lost quite alot of pace.

Thought Ed worked hard all night and while Army did a good defensive job on Del Santo we got nothing from him offensively, Personally I would have put him on Milne (Army is very good on small forwards) and had Gibbs go head to head with Del.

Ellard did a great job with limited game time and in hindsight should have got a full game. I'm sure he will this week.

And absolutely agree that Murphy is more important than Judd. People who think Judd did a great job need to have another look.Yes he had team high possessions but his impact on the game was negligible. (and he certainly didn't look any better for the break)

Don't know whether Jeffrey's suffering the effects of raising a baby but his form has been horrible of late.

Waite and Eddie couldn't buy themselves into the game.

Other things of note:

Our pacy game plan was used against us tonight and made our defense look very slow.

Our mids didn't work hard enough to help out the defense but set themselves up in part because there was very little forward pressure and I haven't seen the ball come out of our forward line faster all season.

A large part of the reason for this was the very ordinary direction of ball into our forward 50 which gave none of our forwards much opportunity.
Also I lost count of the times we were coming into our F50 and the player with the ball was looking to handpass it or spin around and back track.

Carrots absence highlights our lack of at least one other effective clearance player.

In summary the midfield's ineffectiveness lost this game and the cancer flowed from there. Their inability to clear the ball from stoppages, use it effectively and lack of run and spread both ways allowed the Saints too much easy ball.

 

[Poseidon]

Anyone see Ratten's email? Categorically said there were no structural issues last night.

He did not say that:

In saying that, while we did have to deal with some structural issues in the fourth round match at the MCG, last night was more about our intensity or lack thereof. Put simply, it was about our inability to roll up our sleeves

Hardly a categorical "there was no structural issues", and I agree with him.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I have a man cave, yet the wife feels the need to be there when I am watching football. The night (if we are losing) usually results in here saying that she is suprised I even knew she was there, then I say something stupid and get myself even deeper in a hole. I blame Carlton for this last night... lol

Women who don't give a crap about football - What would we ever do without them.

Come on blues, please don't let this happen again

 

[Jay23]

Does anyone think that Andrew Walker will be rubbed out for a few weeks for the hit on Brendan Goddard in the first quarter?