Autopsy Round 7 vs Saints rant thread

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Need some x factor and enthusiasm, and players who will go hard regardless.

Collins - at least gives another goalscoring option.
Davies - is he stil injured? Turns it over but no worse than we did tonight and goes harder than a few as well.
Kerr - going to be delisted if he doesn't get an opportunity. Has x factor.
Lucas - at least has run and enthusiasm. Has added goalkicking to his reportoire.
Bootsma - showed judgment and skill albeit against other kids.

Kind of wishing we still had Cachia now.

 

[SE_Blue]

Need some x factor and enthusiasm, and players who will go hard regardless.

Collins - at least gives another goalscoring option.
Davies - is he stil injured? Turns it over but no worse than we did tonight and goes harder than a few as well.
Kerr - going to be delisted if he doesn't get an opportunity. Has x factor.
Lucas - at least has run and enthusiasm. Has added goalkicking to his reportoire.
Bootsma - showed judgment and skill albeit against other kids.

Kind of wishing we still had Cachia now.

Kind of wishing we still had Setanta - minus the current ACL. Gave his all every game and his celebrations and enthusiasm were second to none.

 

[Blue Heart]

Very poor showing tonight. Sucks even greater when a good chunk of your mates are Saints fans.

Adelaide worries the bejesus out of me.

Actually they don't worry me, because if we play like tonight and the same way we have played since the Pies, this week's game won't be a contest. It will be the Crows by 10 big ones !!!

 

[blue gunslinger]

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[Wickzki]

This photo describes Carlton's reading of the game plan tonight. Only Ratts corrected them after the game.

 

[jj1978]

What's sad is we finally ave Waite, Kreuzer and Jamison in the side together on seemingly a consistent basis.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Need some x factor and enthusiasm, and players who will go hard regardless.

Collins - at least gives another goalscoring option.
Davies - is he stil injured? Turns it over but no worse than we did tonight and goes harder than a few as well.
Kerr - going to be delisted if he doesn't get an opportunity. Has x factor.
Lucas - at least has run and enthusiasm. Has added goalkicking to his reportoire.
Bootsma - showed judgment and skill albeit against other kids.

Kind of wishing we still had Cachia now.

u got to admit sugar and boots r a spark plug we need
not perfect but offer someting

 

[Dale Gribble]

It is looking more likely we can not win a flag with Ratten, he is very amatuer in his ways. He was a great footballer but I think that It. It prove it today especially when he does amateur things like this Ratts trap for big Saint Nick Riewoldt . Why on earth would you give the opposition on what you may do ? He surely has favorites like Joseph and Duigan getting games because they are struggling big time.

He recruits Melbourne players that are finished like Mclean or ex players who had like 3 knee reconstructions that once did ok like Hadley. He drops Thornton when someone needs to be dropped after a game. I am telling you folks if we fail to make a Preliminary he is a gone.

 

[Kades_Dad]

I've been saying it for more than a year now - Aaron Joseph is a potato of the highest order. He cannot stick a tackle, he's gutless, consistently beaten and cannot kick. He's like Bower's little brother.

There are about 5 players in our side at the moment that are getting a game on their names and past glories when there are better players ready to go in the two's. Hopefully this loss stirs up things a little.

 

[Blueboy3]

Not one to post here too often, but heres my autopsy, firstly on ratten:

From word go we allowed st kilda to play an extra man behind the ball, and then persisted to go inside fwd 50 high and long, cut us to pieces all night.

Early in the game you could see the small forwards were going to hurt us, changes werent made till half time.

Murphy was clearly getting beaten, took untill the last quarter (i think) for him to go forward, he may need to find a way to impact games when suffering from a heavy tag)

And onto the players...
Duigan is seriously out of form - limited pre season? not sure whether laider being out is hurting his output but his impact isnt near where it was last year

Thorton and Lucas kicked 5 of 15 goals last week, yet are omitted, Thorton being the only bloke who looked like taking a mark last week. i understand he didnt play 2's - so was he rested, injured?

Waite's output was just simply not good enough, may have been better to play last week for confidence.

Lastly Gibbs role needs to be more damaging for mine, everyone internally was raving about how big a year he was going to have playing more forward of centre, but on the basis of his first 7 weeks he's gone backwards.

Having said all that i wouldnt get too carried away, the outs we have at the moment, yarran and carrazzo especially, really impact on our structures and that was obvious tonight, army couldnt shut down a small forward cause he had to go to dal santo, and yarran would have easily covered either of milera or saad.

In: Thorton, Lucas
Out: Joseph, Duigan

 

[Crippa#9]

Agree - after 5 rounds of footy resting Judd and Waite sounded great in theory, but imo the rest did absolutely sfa for those two tonight. Probably their worst games for the year.


Lets not kid ourselves, we're not that good (or as good as Geelong were) to be resting players in R6 so that they're in peak condition for the finals. We need to harden up and get some blue-collar toughness into our game.

PS: Ratts, I think its time you also tried something different and maybe coach a few games from up in the box rather than on the sidelines. I know you've got great assistants in the box and all that....but you are the man, the Head Coach and who knows you might just get a better perspective of the game and whats going on.

I agree with your last paragraph.

 

[Dale Gribble]

the worst part was still BT and thats saying something

You talking about Brian Taylor he was taking the piss out of us. We were like 28 points with like 6 minutes left and him dribbling we going to come back and win it

 

[The Coach]

AJ may have limited ability but he is not gutless.
I did not see last week's game but know that Lucas will have to improve his hardness to benefit us on a night like tonight

 

[The_Wookie]

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[Dale Gribble]

Who is scheduled for a rest next week.

Murph, gibbs,duigan.
We might be able to schedule a full list rest come round 25.
Sheeds would be pissing himself at home right now.

How could we have so many hacks playing tonight.

Gibbs should be traded for dangerfield or boak.
My last year of captains club membership, not worth the extra money as no chance of playing in a gf.

Gibbs stays but if we did trade him it would be dangerfield or a key forward like Butcher

 

[blue gunslinger]

AJ may have limited ability but he is not gutless.
I did not see last week's game but know that Lucas will have to improve his hardness to benefit us on a night like tonight

sugar can and will imporve
aj has not and will not

 

[serenityNow]

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Was hoping Ratts held a press conference similar to Brad Scotts after their clash with the Dogs, scathing of their weal performance........but as usual all i hear is bullshit stats thrown out.

I liked the question asked about us being exposed as soft since the essendon game....


They hunted us??.....of course they did, they saw essendon,Freo and GWS do it.......now the rest will.

 

[sosos]

There was a 5 minute patch at the end of the 3rd quarter when out of nowhere, the intensity suddenly went through the roof.

Where was it before? Why was it gone again when the 4th quarter started?

If that intensity is there for 4 quarters, then:

a) The disfunctional forward line can score enough to win games.
b) The ball can get locked in and doesn't get down to the disfunctional backline as much.

Though some players maybe out of form or not good enough at this level, to my way of thinking, it is all on the coaching staff.

Too often, opposition sides seem to easily disrupt the Carlton ball movement.
And coincidentally, except for some occasional pacy forward pressure causing turnovers, too often the opposition ball movement is unimpeded.

I really don't know if it's an issue with the line coaches, or the head coach or both.

However, if the intensity is there, a lot of the structural problems are masked.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

Need some x factor and enthusiasm, and players who will go hard regardless.

Collins - at least gives another goalscoring option.
Davies - is he stil injured? Turns it over but no worse than we did tonight and goes harder than a few as well.
Kerr - going to be delisted if he doesn't get an opportunity. Has x factor.
Lucas - at least has run and enthusiasm. Has added goalkicking to his reportoire.
Bootsma - showed judgment and skill albeit against other kids.

Kind of wishing we still had Cachia now.

This guy will not go hard regardless. He is another outside receiver type. Ellard should be starting 22. He kicked 3 goals in a quarter and a half and was the one in the packs winning the ball, very impressed with him tonight, showed the millionaires how it's done.

Bootsma will get ragdolled, he's not ready for a seasoned team like the Crows.

Davies I think is still injured.

Kerr and Collins might be a good option to try but atm I'd go with Kerr because he's a small forward and we have one that really isn't performing to the standard in Mr. Garlett.

 

[Dale Gribble]

Maybe a Gibbs for Watts trade. Wouldn't really be an upgrade. Both all the skills in the world with pea hearts.

That is crazy Watts is spud of a forward, we need a Darling, Butcher type or Kennedy. When I see him play for some reason I see A dress on him.

 

[mediumsizered]

It is looking more likely we can not win a flag with Ratten, he is very amatuer in his ways. He was a great footballer but I think that It. It prove it today especially when he does amateur things like this Ratts trap for big Saint Nick Riewoldt . Why on earth would you give the opposition on what you may do ? He surely has favorites like Joseph and Duigan getting games because they are struggling big time.

He recruits Melbourne players that are finished like Mclean or ex players who had like 3 knee reconstructions that once did ok like Hadley. He drops Thornton when someone needs to be dropped after a game. I am telling you folks if we fail to make a Preliminary he is a gone.

Hadley was picked up from Brisbane for Pick 52 in the 2007 draft. Brisbane used that pick on Bradd Dalziel & the players picked with live picks after Dalziel in that draft were Cale Hooker, Mark Johnson, Matt Austin, Fraser Gehrig, Tony Armstrong, Tom McNamara, Kepler Bradley, Eljay Connor, Aaron Kite & Blake Grima. I don't think we missed out on anything because of the Hadley trade.

 

[Buddy33]

come on with the gibbs haters

so easy to blame one player when the team is bad
seriously, is having an off season. no idea where ratten is playing him
but should be the bartel type
drift forward and stay there when needed, and send someone back. LIKE THORNTON, ffs i have said this many time, we need the guy in instead of bower.

gibbs needs time dudes..

 

[blues4flag]

I'll preface this rant by pointing out I was incessantly positive through out the past decade. I refused to bag players or coach. We were what we were - a team bereft of talent and experience building from absolute rock bottom towards a premiership.

We now are at the stage where we should be genuinely competing for a flag, where the pain of the past decade should drive the players and coaches with a burning desire to succeed. We've got the talent, the experience, the facilities and the dollars. No more mollycuddling. The gloves are off.


Let's all go to where the ball isn't
Sitting behind the goals on level 2 with a near perfect view of the whole field in front of me, I for the life of me could not work out how St Kilda managed to desecrate all over our pathetic attempt at a press. Our forwards provided non existent pressure while our midfielders and flankers set up on the one wing. Cue Saints switching the ball to the opposite pocket and kicking to an unmanned player on the other wing, time after time after rage inducing time! Even when the Saints players had opponents, they trailed by 15 metres with half arsed chases as the Saints took yet another uncontested mark at half back/on the wing.
Result: uncontested mark differential of +21 in St Kilda's favour, resulting in inside 50s of far higher quality. Smashed on the rebounds.

Why lead AT the footy when we can lead AWAY from it?
Without doubt the most bewildering forward 50 structure I've seen. While the Saints always had at least one player playing deep in the forward 50 to contest the high ball, Carlton chose to have no one within 60 metres of goal for the majority of the game. Even when it was a stoppage at centre wing, a handball and long kick away from a contest deep inside 50, Waite and Hampson decided to park their arses 30m ahead of the stoppage while the 50 was empty behind them.
Result: Players up the ground unsure with the footy without a long target to kick to, resulting to over possession or 50/50 kicks at best to a one at one, 40m out, facilitating a kick rebound for the Saints. Even though we led the inside 50 count, the quality of our entries left a lot to be desired. When it did penetrate 30, Betts and Garlett were there to provide pressure but there is simply too much free space further up for them to be effective defensively.

It worked in the 60s, why not today?
Credit to St Kilda, they'd structured brilliantly. They did exactly what we couldn't and blocked the dangerous space coming out of defence. Instead of having players trying to create and break the lines however, we were far too content just to bomb it down the line to a mass of players and hope somebody could take the miracle mark, or go the short pass along the boundary line. Players didn't run hard to instigate a switch but simply parked themselves at the ruckman's feet and hoped the footy would fall our way. Stupid footy that isn't going to win you games in this era.
Result: stagnant ball movement allowing the Saints to set up their structures and an inability to move the ball effectively past centre wing/half forward.

Blocking
It's been a pet peeve for some time and I'm not sure I saw a single block for Murphy all game, despite Clint Jones running around with a hand in his pocket. Left to beat the hard tag all alone, with no one willing to give him a chop out. Only time players seemed keen on doing anything is after the Tiprat put through yet another goal.

Team of champions of champion team
We've seen clubs like WC, Adelaide, Sydney and Essendon start the season brilliantly and perform as well as we have, despite on the surface looking like we are the far more talented team. My main concern is that we rely on individual brilliance to win games of footy, whereas WC and Sydney in particular rely on players fulfilling their role within the team structure and playing as a cohesive unit to win it. I know which approach I'd rather we have.

Our guns should be complementing a strong game plan but all too often it appears that we get over the line on the back of our better players standing up in spite of the game plan. For the past month, we've looked strong in bursts while playing lacklustre footy for the majority of games. That to me screams of a talented playing list with an ineffective game plan.

Ratten and the coaches are struggling. It seems it only took a month for teams to work us out after a brilliant start to the season. We've lost the clearances in each of the past four weeks, despite having what's claimed to be the best midfield in the league. It can't possibly be all on the back of losing Carrazzo. We were beaten comprehensively by the Saints in the coaches box.

Players don't get a reprieve but from where I sat, the problems stemmed from a poor game plan rather than a lack of intensity or effort. We've got 15 rounds to get it right but games dropped now could come back and haunt us come finals.

 

[thylacine60]

come on with the gibbs haters

so easy to blame one player when the team is bad
seriously, is having an off season. no idea where ratten is playing him
but should be the bartel type
drift forward and stay there when needed, and send someone back. LIKE THORNTON, ffs i have said this many time, we need the guy in instead of bower.

gibbs needs time dudes..

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[Krooooze]

Words can't describe how pissed off with the team and the coaching staff I am tonight. That was bruise free footy at its best. We got shown up by a team who lost to the Power and who were run to the line by Melb. We are seriously struggling. If you need any evidence of whether we are downhill skiiers or not, you would be sure we were after watching tonight. We are going backwards. Seriously, what ever happened to two-way footy? We are clearly happy to run forward of the ball but can't be stuffed working back the other way. There was 0 accountability tonight. I was embarrassed with that rubbish we served up.