Autopsy Round 9, 2021: Hawks get bounced

[FactsNotBS]

What do people think shiels role was or what he did to get the 3 votes? Was he tagging someone (didn’t look like it).

Wingard got 1 but rest were Roos players.

Here is what Wikipedia says, so its not just Clarko who votes... Each week, the senior coach of each AFL club gives five votes to the player they consider to be best on ground in the game in which their team plays, four to the second-best, and so on to one for the fifth-best. The player with the most votes at the end of the year wins.

I thought Cunnington was clearly BOG - just dominated and Simpkin fed off him. Simpkin had 9 turnovers and Sheils had 6 (but was good). To me we should have a Net Disposals stat. K+M-TOs. No good getting the ball if you give it to the oppo.

 

[CHUBBSS]

Clarko just gave Shiels 3 coaches votes. Wow.
Certainly won't be dropped now.

Oh boy

 

[FactsNotBS]

Who do we have as a definitive future star??


Put it another way
An opening bat makes big scores and is dominant for a few seasons then drops off markedly
Does he continue to get a baggy green after his average drops from 50 to 15 the last few seasons on " runs in the bank " alone?
Or is he not performing ?

Take this now with Clarkson..he was the top and now his performance has dropped markedly, just like the players and club as a whole
Professional sport is ruthless and our club is currently not
Please dont shoot whole hearted posters down for questioning the direction that we are headed, because its not a good direction at all

Not a great comparison as an opening bat doesnt rely on anyone but himself and the quality of the bowling. Clarko is subjected to the list he has now, which is a result of his success, not his failure, imposed on him by the AFL rules. What he has extracted from average players in the past and still today, is the measure of a great coach. Yes he had Roughie, Buddie, Hodge etc but he is not getting those kind of picks now. Kosi pick 52 and Lewis 76 for example. To recognize then develop these guys as an example, is something not many other clubs have done. How many first round picks have Carlton, GWS and Gold Coast had that, arent half the players as these late picks? Take as back to the draft and with the time it takes to develop those young guys, nobody will get us a flag quicker than Clarko. Interesting, who else would, do you think?

 

[Glacier]

Not a great comparison as an opening bat doesnt rely on anyone but himself and the quality of the bowling. Clarko is subjected to the list he has now, which is a result of his success, not his failure, imposed on him by the AFL rules. What he has extracted from average players in the past and still today, is the measure of a great coach. Yes he had Roughie, Buddie, Hodge etc but he is not getting those kind of picks now. Kosi pick 52 and Lewis 76 for example. To recognize then develop these guys as an example, is something many other clubs have done. How many first round picks have Carlton, GWS and Gold Coast had that, arent half the players as these late picks? Take as back to the draft and with the time it takes to develop those young guys, nobody will get us a flag quicker than Clarko. Interesting, who else would, do you think?

No you are missing the point

Do you think that Clarksons performance as coach and decision maker are up to standard?

Granted the list is poor but still, as the coach and decision maker the question still stands as we are kidding ourselves if we think some of the very poor decision making is without his input

And therefore the comparison to an opening bat is extremely relevant

 

[H00t]

Surely Gunston in the forward line would have forced one of the mids out of the forward line and into the midfield ?

Problem is even last year when we had Gunston we had all the same struggles still.

North midfield was always going to get on top.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Clarko just gave Shiels 3 coaches votes. Wow.
Certainly won't be dropped now.

He was one of our best, despite how he’s slowing down. 10 score involvements, 5 tackles, 5 inside 50’s.

Was never going to be dropped.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I am confused about the 'Us' bit.

FactsNotBS is one of us.

 

[TylerDurden]

Absolutely pathetic. Watch Mitchell, McEvoy and JOM.

 

[Mercy Seat]

I’m going to get my TV fixed, I must be watching something very different that what the coaches were watching

I’d say it’s the tv. He had 10 score involvements and was one of the few that busted his gut all day.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Absolutely pathetic. Watch Mitchell, McEvoy and JOM.

Wow that’s pretty embarrassing.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Absolutely pathetic. Watch Mitchell, McEvoy and JOM.

Game was done. They were done. They knew it.

 

[CHUBBSS]

is everyone in on the tank looks peak horrible that vision

 

[The hands of stone]

Absolutely pathetic. Watch Mitchell, McEvoy and JOM.

Terrible viewing , real cue in the rack stuff .

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Footage from 10 minutes earlier may tell a different story....or it may not.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

Absolutely pathetic. Watch Mitchell, McEvoy and JOM.

something changed around that St Kilda game

we were fighting out games really well, our effort was actually the shining light of our performances

completely faded away and has been unacceptable of late

 

[TylerDurden]

Game was done. They were done. They knew it.

3 mins left. Cue in the rack.

 

[Jazzfan]

something changed around that St Kilda game

we were fighting out games really well, our effort was actually the shining light of our performances

completely faded away and has been unacceptable of late

It's such a descriptive, defensive, unenjoyable and dull brand the players are asked to play.

It's probably no surprise after not pinching a win against a better team the dam wall broke playing this way.

Lack of confidence is as relevant towards the players as it is towards our game plan and team selections. The impacts this has had on our playing group.

 

[tommyk72]

And so many here are totally incapable of admitting the club ever makes a mistake.

We f’ed up and made a complete mess of the list but sh*t happens.

We will rise again with a new group and it will be exciting to watch just like 2006 & 2007 was.

I disagree with this statement entirely. It's all about how you phrase it. I don't feel we f%&ked up. We took a calculated risk that did not come off. Now we pay the downside. Kind of like we took a calculated risk with our drafting in 2004 and it did come off. Sometimes these things work, sometimes they don't. You got to ride the ups with the downs.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Absolutely pathetic. Watch Mitchell, McEvoy and JOM.

And Impey

 

[The hands of stone]

something changed around that St Kilda game

we were fighting out games really well, our effort was actually the shining light of our performances

completely faded away and has been unacceptable of late

I think the Freo game was the first sign of cracks really appearing then widening right up.

We threw everything at the Tigers and the Cats . Mentally and probably physically we were zapped and got jumped by a pretty average side the next week.

I then think the last 1/4 quarter v Melbourne broke us .
Yes we won the next week but conceeded heaps of goals on end to an equally bottom side .

Last 3 weeks have been terrible to even worse to well rock bottom.
Hopefully rock bottom.
We have gotten worse while North have slowly improved and gained some confidence hence Saturdays result.

 

[The hands of stone]

3 mins left. Cue in the rack.

Yep, 2 goals down which is 4 goals for us the way we are playing....they knew we were done and no chance

 

[H00t]

I’d say it’s the tv. He had 10 score involvements and was one of the few that busted his gut all day.

Far from worst on but wouldn’t be in the top 5 on ground. Goldy, LDU, Simpkin, Cunnington and Zurhaar for them and Wings for us had much better games.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Far from worst on but wouldn’t be in the top 5 on ground. Goldy, LDU, Simpkin, Cunnington and Zurhaar for them and Wings for us had much better games.

Yeah I had the 4 North Mids and ruck brigade + Wingard.

 

[kazzooka]

Big thing that changed in 2004 was the draft picks we took in (2, 5 and 7). Plus we got young as a rookie. A new coach with a will to succeed and cleaned out a lot of the muck that had built up. We had a lot of talent off field that Clarko had brought in (Rath and Russel) that have since moved on.

We had the guts to trade players out that weren’t the future and a hell of a lot of luck.

I can’t see how comparing 2004 to now would make anyone feel better. So much happened from 2004-2008 that led to success. The risks we’d need to take to even come close to turning our list around that quickly are crazy. Especially given the draft hands we took in those years.

We’d have to trade out a lot of people for overs to even come close. And few people on here or at the club seem to want to plan 4-5 years ahead.

Comparing 2004 to now is a pipedream. Won’t happen again.

Yeah even the luck from losing a semi in 2007 with joel Smith, ben Dixon and vandenberg retiring. Crawford starting to struggle. No real small forwards besides Osborne.

2008 everything worked out. Nailed our first pick with Rioli, Dew turned out to be a great leader and stood up on the big stage, youngsters improved dramatically. Guerra, Gilham, crowds, young Birchall and ladson played nearly every game together in the back line.

Brown as a pressure forward and Hodge to the back flank were masterstrokes.

Geelong were not at thier best grand final day.

Imagine that we didn't get Rioli or he took a few years to contribute or ended up a dud. We never win that flag. Or Dew is exposed as a fatty in the grand final doesn't get near it and pulls a hamstring? Maybe Croads foot injury that he carried for weeks gives way a week earlier.

We had so much go right, perfect decisions, luck and improvement from everywhere we needed it.

If we don't win 08, i wonder if we land Burgoyne, gunston, Lake, frawley, McEvoy? Do we have the belief in ourselves when we loose so many after 2008 and have a poor year?

 

[Rev08]

Absolutely pathetic. Watch Mitchell, McEvoy and JOM.

Unbelievable there are some here excusing that “effort”. We kicked the next goal and still had a chance to at least draw so the “game was done” line doesn’t fit.

As Tops said, we as a supporter base should not be accepting efforts like that.