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- Jun 14, 2020
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What a great weekend. Amazing win, scumC cola and the handbaggers lose .
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TBH I'd rather a player that just took the marks. Again TOB had two marks and four kicks for the game. Yes he tries hard, but he's not good enough for a team with any kind of aspirations. Once Lewis is fit and ready with his body then he must come in and replace him.
Not including the game he got injured he's averaging <3 marks and <5 kicks a game.
If the coaches feel that he is playing his role ...... great, but if he played cricket he would never field in the slips!
Agreed, and I love Burgoyne. But the caveat here is we had a 38 year old being the major influence. That's a concern. He will retire one day!Thought Silk was important particularly in the second quarter when the game was still there to be won - a gentle reminder that he’s not quite ready to shuffle off into retirement.
100m is bugger all out of 12k.I’m not on the Scully bashing train, but this is what I don’t get at the moment. His role is as a running beast, but he’s still sitting below JOM who is playing inside and outside.
Surely not a fitness thing, he’s got a nice big oval now, but he’s still tracking lower KMs.
We need to trade him now while he still has value!How DARE we select Breust to play! He's 29!!!! Insane decision. I've lost all faith in the selection committee.
......because CarltonNever in doubt......
At least you can admit itI like being wrong sometimes.
Absolutely spot on.until Lewis competes he stays out. That Melbourne game Lewis was pathetic. Worse than anything TOB has shown. But the usual haters will disagree.
Now let’s add some context. O’Brien works weitering off the ball and weitering gets a hand to the ball which causes it to deflect high. The ball spills towards goal and Gunston is able to kick a goal. The goal is possible because of O’Brien. But yeah, why not grab a screen shot and post it out of context to try an make a fringe player look bad?
No Stratts owns Eddie.
DittoJeez the Game Day thread from about 5.50 onwards makes for some funny reading. I made a conceited effort not to go near BigFooty until now and I think it will be my new ritual when our games are in now.
Sage words from the pied piperYou're the hero we deserve
Don't let fear stop youCan't explain it to you I'm afraid
The old everyones against us mentality - it's pathetic.Mate absolute whingers. They expect Lewis to kiss us on the d*ck cause he used to play for us. Everything he said about us has been 100% valid.
You could not blame Eddie for avoiding Stratts.I didn't think Stats was on Eddie often?
Mate, coming into the seniors doesn’t finally give a chance to prove anything. Some of these guys have been at the club for 3 years and they haven’t forced their way into the team for a reason. It’s what they do around the club, on the track, and in the 2s. Not to mention all the data that every player has spit out about them each and every week. The club knows exactly where these players are at and if they are going to make it. Sure there’s maybe the very occasional player who makes a giant leap when they are in the big league but the reality is, 10-20% of who we draft makes it as a regular AFL contributor. Id see where we are in 3-4 weeks before making a call on the year. If we are still a chance for finals then these sort of calls are ridiculous.You wouldn't like a definite answer to that?
I'm certain Scully, Stratton and Frawley won't get better and won't be part of our next premiership team. I'd rather give those younger boys a chance to prove they suck rather than just assume they do.
Mate, coming into the seniors doesn’t finally give a chance to prove anything. Some of these guys have been at the club for 3 years and they haven’t forced their way into the team for a reason. It’s what they do around the club, on the track, and in the 2s. Not to mention all the data that every player has spit out about them each and every week. The club knows exactly where these players are at and if they are going to make it. Sure there’s maybe the very occasional player who makes a giant leap when they are in the big league but the reality is, 10-20% of who we draft makes it as a regular AFL contributor. Id see where we are in 3-4 weeks before making a call on the year. If we are still a chance for finals then these sort of calls are ridiculous.
I’ll give you those guys, but it has to be positional. You can’t sub Frawley and Stratts for Walker and Finn. Scully is the most obvious one to make way, of which I guess any of those 4 could come in, however, I can’t see that happening if the club still thinks we can make finals.They are doing it though. Have you seen the stats Jones and Moore in particular have been putting up in the scratch matches? Jones earnt his debut, played well, then was told he was only dropped for positional reasons but then not played again. Moore won a VFL player of the finals series as an 18 year old, played 7 games in his second season and is now fit after some pre-season injury set backs. I'm most bullish about the prospects of these two and it frustrates me that they aren't getting a decent run.
There is time for Finn and Walker. One is x-factor and those players always take longer. The other is a highly regarded father-son.
Tbf X factor players generally show their ability immediatelyThey are doing it though. Have you seen the stats Jones and Moore in particular have been putting up in the scratch matches? Jones earnt his debut, played well, then was told he was only dropped for positional reasons but then not played again. Moore won a VFL player of the finals series as an 18 year old, played 7 games in his second season and is now fit after some pre-season injury set backs. I'm most bullish about the prospects of these two and it frustrates me that they aren't getting a decent run.
There is time for Finn and Walker. One is x-factor and those players always take longer. The other is a highly regarded father-son.
I’ll give you those guys, but it has to be positional. You can’t sub Frawley and Stratts for Walker and Finn. Scully is the most obvious one to make way, of which I guess any of those 4 could come in, however, I can’t see that happening if the club still thinks we can make finals.
"Worst possible result for the Hawks future" according to Kane "the list Sam Mitchell inherits will be worse as a result"
Ditto
Sage words from the pied piper
Don't let fear stop you
I guess this is where we differ. Or at least the club does. I think Clarko genuinely believes we can pinch it, still. And to be honest, don’t blame him. This is a crazy year. Who knows we may have another 8 week break in the middle of this that changes everything. Our form was awful, but so was west coasts a few weeks ago and now they are flag favs. I’m not saying we can or will win, but I think we should wait until we are genuinely out of it until pulling those triggers.That is sort of my point here. Even if we can sneak into finals we aren't a genuine premiership contender. And this list won't suddenly be better next year because that growth from beneath isn't coming through like a Brisbane, Port Adelaide, St.Kilda or Gold Coast.
I agree 100% about positional needs though. I wouldn't be making those immediate swaps. However, you realistically could play Big Boy down back again, remove Frawley, Stratton and Scully and then bring in Jones, Moore and CJ. I was calling for that two weeks ago before CJ was upgraded but now we are back on the winners list i'm not convinced that my wishes are realistic anymore.
Elephant in the room.
I wouldn’t want to add the pressure of being captain on him. I could see it affect his game as it’s done with Ben Stratton. A smaller role in the leadership group is where I see him.What do people think of Breust as Captain? He's a quiet unassuming type, but he speaks really well and has some of the best footy smarts in the team.
Everyone talks of Gunners, Mitchell, O'Meara but I reckon Breust would go alright.
I know he’s the whipping boy and all, but this contest lead to a Gunston goal as Tob held the space and then pushed the supposed AA CHB under the ball.