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Grave Danger said:
Yeah, but Kevin Muskrat is a campaigner.

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He certainly is. And those incidents are only from his A-League career.

Didn't he end a players career while he was at Wolves? I think the player got about $500K payout. He also smashed Craig Bellamy in a pre-season game.
 
Hah ha I got a reminder email an hour ago from footytips.com.au to get my EPL tips in - about two hours after the Southampton v Arsenal match had finished. Looks like they were caught on the hop like me and didn't realise there was a match on last night. I would have tipped the Arseholes too!
 

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2-2 half time

Juric with two goals

and f**k the Saudis for ignoring the minutes silence for the victims of the London attacks before the game
 
CharlieKelly said:
2-2 half time

Juric with two goals

and f**k the Saudis for ignoring the minutes silence for the victims of the London attacks before the game
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Pretty poor considering it was an opportunity for the players representing the leader in the Islamic world to show respect. I trust Turnbull will grow some balls and call the Saudi Ambassador in and register our nation's disgust. Then again he will probably leave it to someone without balls to do his talking.
 
Story on the inside of "The Australian" back page had the headline
"Rogic lets last-gasp stunner do the talking"

As Rogic's goal came after 64 minutes and a game is 90 minutes long I hardly think it was "last-gasp"? Little poetic licence there.
 
Watching the Confederations cup game Socceroos and Chile. Chile let us have the ball for the first 5 or 6 minutes but the last 5 minutes they have been pouring the pressure and had 3 decent cracks at scoring. They are brilliantly skilled and fantastic to watch, No wonder they are ranked 4th in the world. Socceroos not playing poorly just Chile as so slick.
 
Just saw my first video decision in a soccer game. Sanchez the Chilean striker thought he got tripped inside the box and appealed for a penalty. the german referee let play go on for about 30 seconds and when the ball went out of play he called for the video referee to make a call on the penalty. The Aussie defender got his foot on the bouncing ball to kicked it away and Sanchez then fell across his foot. Ruled no penalty. It was pretty quick and efficient use of the system. A lot bloody better than the goal decisions, first on Thursday night crows v haws game and then the 2 in the swans v bombers game on Friday.
 
Great goal to the socceroos in the 41st minute. Troisi nice little lob over a diving keeper after a nice press by the forwards. Had a very good 5 minutes or so build up.
 
Woo a great Chilean pass so a low header unluckily hit a soccroos defenders knee and stopped it going thru the goal.
 
That's the most entertaining first half of a socceroos game I have seen since game 2 of the 2014 WC when we played the Dutch and it was 1-1 at half time with that great Tim Cahill strike within a minute of Robben scoring. The game before that against Chile again was also a great first half to watch. This game is being played at a cracking pace.
 

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ROBBBO said:
We should have won really, had them on the ropes for the first 2/3 of the game, terrible finishing
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Certainly should have been 2-0 at the half and from there who knows. Sainsbury could have taken a touch and still had a tap in under no pressure but gave it a defender's finish.
 
TeeKray said:
Certainly should have been 2-0 at the half and from there who knows. Sainsbury could have taken a touch and still had a tap in under no pressure but gave it a defender's finish.
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Chile should have scored at about 10 minute mark. That 15m strike by Vidal into the a diving Ryan was unlucky and then the rebound goes to Vargas who was about 8m out right in the middle of goals but hits him high on the thigh just goes softly straight at Ryan who was still on hands and knees from the save. That should have been a goal. But I agree after about the 15m mark we dominated the last 30 minutes of the half and should have scored a second. Yes Sainsbury should have put that in. But how sublime was Cahill's pass just passed the half way line just inside the right hand side touch line and does that curling long pass just left of middle of the pitch and just inside the penalty box and Troisi was half a step short of getting to it to put a strike on. Brilliant vision by Cahill.

Last 20-30 minutes or so of the game Sanchez was brilliant and provided Chile with plenty of opportunities to score.
 
tribey said:
The 'dewogification' of the Australian top flight resulting in the permanent relegation of the Melbourne and Sydney Croatias, Adelaide City, Marconi and Sydney Olympic has coincided with the talent conveyor coming to a grinding halt.

We keep hearing about the A-League's enhanced 'pathways' and yet where is everyone? From Kewells, Vidukas, Cahills, Schwarzers, Okons, Moores, Brescianos, Grellas and Aloisis to the Socceroos Facebook blowing its load over Aaron Mooy playing well for freaking Huddersfield.
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I was looking for something else but ended up on the same page as your post tribey. When I was up in Qld a few weeks ago I saw the South Melbourne gala evening on Fox Sports where they announced they would push for a licence in the A League and the Prez several times made the point that South Melbourne have produced 53 Socceroos.

My Essendon/Juventus supporting brother inlaw, (who has played both footy and soccer and coaches kids soccer )and I spent the next few days talking about the golden generation and player development and why the talent pool has dropped off. As the Saudi qualifying game was on around that time we looked at the main players in the failed 1997 and 2001 WC attempts, the ones that played in 2006 WC or were part of the 23 man squad, how 14 made it thru to 2010 WC squad, looked at the 2014 WC squad and that the only surviving Socceroo of the 2006 WC squad is Mark Milligan. Edit that should read young player as Tim Cahill is still playing but in 2006 he was an experienced international player.

We came to the conclusion the dewogification of Australian topflight clubs has been a decent contributing factor. Why? Because if you have a whole lot of 10 year olds playing for a community club and they progress thru the underage ranks together and then the B grade and A grade, they build bonds but also they get coached in a consistent team philosophy throughout all grades. And if the A grade is successful then it filters all the way down year in year out and reinforces his . That's probably why South Melbourne were able to produce so many Socceroos and the current A league clubs cant churn them out in any great numbers. The kids come from all over the place and end up being funneled thru to A league clubs and don't have that long development process at one club playing in the national comp, who has national comp resources to put into junior development.
 
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tribey said:
The 'dewogification' of the Australian top flight resulting in the permanent relegation of the Melbourne and Sydney Croatias, Adelaide City, Marconi and Sydney Olympic has coincided with the talent conveyor coming to a grinding halt.

We keep hearing about the A-League's enhanced 'pathways' and yet where is everyone? From Kewells, Vidukas, Cahills, Schwarzers, Okons, Moores, Brescianos, Grellas and Aloisis to the Socceroos Facebook blowing its load over Aaron Mooy playing well for freaking Huddersfield.
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Lol Mooy. Really does put into perspective how unremarkable his being a good player in the second division is compared to the likes of Viduka who was a genuine star with a 1 in 2 record at top flight for several years in a Leeds team that reached a Champions League semi final.
 
Dylan8 said:
Lol Mooy. Really does put into perspective how unremarkable his being a good player in the second division is compared to the likes of Viduka who was a genuine star with a 1 in 2 record at top flight for several years in a Leeds team that reached a Champions League semi final.
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A guy like Josip Skoko, who had captained Hajduk Split in Croatia and was starting for a solid Wigan team in the premiership didn't even see the pitch at the 2006 World Cup.

He'd have won 100 caps these days.
 

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Dylan8 said:
Lol Mooy. Really does put into perspective how unremarkable his being a good player in the second division is compared to the likes of Viduka who was a genuine star with a 1 in 2 record at top flight for several years in a Leeds team that reached a Champions League semi final.
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Remember Viduka scoring 4 in an EPL game for Leeds vs Liverpool.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
I was looking for something else but ended up on the same page as your post tribey. When I was up in Qld a few weeks ago I saw the South Melbourne gala evening on Fox Sports where they announced they would push for a licence in the A League and the Prez several times made the point that South Melbourne have produced 53 Socceroos.

My Essendon/Juventus supporting brother inlaw, (who has played both footy and soccer and coaches kids soccer )and I spent the next few days talking about the golden generation and player development and why the talent pool has dropped off. As the Saudi qualifying game was on around that time we looked at the main players in the failed 1997 and 2001 WC attempts, the ones that played in 2006 WC or were part of the 23 man squad, how 14 made it thru to 2010 WC squad, looked at the 2014 WC squad and that the only surviving Socceroo of the 2006 WC squad is Mark Milligan. Edit that should read young player as Tim Cahill is still playing but in 2006 he was an experienced international player.

We came to the conclusion the dewogification of Australian topflight clubs has been a decent contributing factor. Why? Because if you have a whole lot of 10 year olds playing for a community club and they progress thru the underage ranks together and then the B grade and A grade, they build bonds but also they get coached in a consistent team philosophy throughout all grades. And if the A grade is successful then it filters all the way down year in year out and reinforces his . That's probably why South Melbourne were able to produce so many Socceroos and the current A league clubs cant churn them out in any great numbers. The kids come from all over the place and end up being funneled thru to A league clubs and don't have that long development process at one club playing in the national comp, who has national comp resources to put into junior development.
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The idea of de ethnicising the league wasn't a bad idea, after all how would Italian Greek Croatian clubs appeal to people who weren't ethnically Croatian etc..

One problem is they have been limited in spending. "Soccer" doesn't work that way like Aussie rules. Look at Everton recently having spent over 100 million on new signings. A league would be far far from that for many years of course.
They also then had that stupid marquee signing thing. United brought over Romario to try lift the profile of the league. What a waste of money.

All major and non major leagues have lower divisions with relegation/promotion in place.
We still don't have that here.

They need better people running FFA not Lowy and Lowy Jnr. People who will make decisions about the future benefit of the league and code in Australia and not just decisions to benefit their own wallets.

How many clubs have had financial troubles? Pretty much most of them.

And I'd be very surprised if South Melbourne pull in bigger crowds then Adelaide Uniteds tiny crowds. Melbourne City's biggest crowd isn't even 30k for the local derby there, and they average 10.5k to games.
Adelaide United totalled 133k all season.
 
FPPF said:
The idea of de ethnicising the league wasn't a bad idea, after all how would Italian Greek Croatian clubs appeal to people who weren't ethnically Croatian etc..

One problem is they have been limited in spending. "Soccer" doesn't work that way like Aussie rules. Look at Everton recently having spent over 100 million on new signings. A league would be far far from that for many years of course.
They also then had that stupid marquee signing thing. United brought over Romario to try lift the profile of the league. What a waste of money.

All major and non major leagues have lower divisions with relegation/promotion in place.
We still don't have that here.

They need better people running FFA not Lowy and Lowy Jnr. People who will make decisions about the future benefit of the league and code in Australia and not just decisions to benefit their own wallets.

How many clubs have had financial troubles? Pretty much most of them.

And I'd be very surprised if South Melbourne pull in bigger crowds then Adelaide Uniteds tiny crowds. Melbourne City's biggest crowd isn't even 30k for the local derby there, and they average 10.5k to games.
Adelaide United totalled 133k all season.
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I'm not Italian but I followed Adelaide Juventus very closely.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
I was looking for something else but ended up on the same page as your post tribey. When I was up in Qld a few weeks ago I saw the South Melbourne gala evening on Fox Sports where they announced they would push for a licence in the A League and the Prez several times made the point that South Melbourne have produced 53 Socceroos.

My Essendon/Juventus supporting brother inlaw, (who has played both footy and soccer and coaches kids soccer )and I spent the next few days talking about the golden generation and player development and why the talent pool has dropped off. As the Saudi qualifying game was on around that time we looked at the main players in the failed 1997 and 2001 WC attempts, the ones that played in 2006 WC or were part of the 23 man squad, how 14 made it thru to 2010 WC squad, looked at the 2014 WC squad and that the only surviving Socceroo of the 2006 WC squad is Mark Milligan. Edit that should read young player as Tim Cahill is still playing but in 2006 he was an experienced international player.

We came to the conclusion the dewogification of Australian topflight clubs has been a decent contributing factor. Why? Because if you have a whole lot of 10 year olds playing for a community club and they progress thru the underage ranks together and then the B grade and A grade, they build bonds but also they get coached in a consistent team philosophy throughout all grades. And if the A grade is successful then it filters all the way down year in year out and reinforces his . That's probably why South Melbourne were able to produce so many Socceroos and the current A league clubs cant churn them out in any great numbers. The kids come from all over the place and end up being funneled thru to A league clubs and don't have that long development process at one club playing in the national comp, who has national comp resources to put into junior development.
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Yeah, nah. I spent years on The World Game Forum and then Football Anarchy and it's got nothing to do with this at all. This is the sort of shit NSL bitters peddled every single day.

1. Players like Kewell, Viduka, Cahill etc never stuck around long enough for the old NSL clubs to be a contributing factor to their development. They left the country at 15-17, playing at most two seasons in the top flight before heading overseas.

2. You're talking about a league filled with second generation immigrants who had parents who wanted to feel connection back to the old country and hadn't assimilated into Australian life...so they were pushed to play soccer instead of doing anything else.

3. All the players that are getting roasted for not being good enough at the moment are products of the old NSL regime, or rather, the slow death of it due to the mismanagement of Soccer Australia. The A-League is 12 years old.

4. A-League clubs are starting to develop their own academies. In fact, they've always wanted to setup a system of continual development but have been blocked by clubs like South Melbourne who fear that all the elite kids will go to Victory or City (as an example) and cut off the golden goose of $1000+ per year registration fees.

So in conclusion, I'm glad the NSL is dead, they weren't a production line of elite talent. It was simply a case of being in the right place at the right time, and in the coming years things will be better.
 

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