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RussellEbertHandball said:
Brilliant first half in the Mexico v Germany game. Mexico 1-0 up and could have 3-0 up if their forwards had some decent ability on their non dominate foot inside the box. plus a couple of passes from outside the box were a bit too hard. Germany could have scored 3 goals as well. 10 attempts by Mexico 4 on target and 8 by Germany for 5 on target says there have been plenty of chances. Mexico slicing Germans up thru the middle on counter attack and Germany controlling their passes nicely when they have momentum.
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Lozano really does deserve to be in a bigger league than the netherlands. Oozes class, is deadly on the counter attack, and can take a deadball as well.
 
The sets SBS are able to get at the last few world cups have been crackers. Last world cup on Copacabana Beach, elevated with big panoramic windows and view of beach and ocean was brilliant scenery, but to get permission to set up in Red Square would have taken some negotiation.

In the past they have had Cape Town's Table Mountain in the background in 2010, 2006 in Germany in front of the old Reichstag Building in Berlin with view of the dome - they didnt have full rights of Japan/S Korea, so they were in a studio in Sydney but I remember in Paris in 1998 they were close to the Eiffel Tower. USA 1994 they moved around a bit, but mainly San Francisco backdrop and 1990 they mainly did from a studio in Rome. Think Mexico City in 1986 they were in a studio as well.




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RussellEbertHandball said:
The sets SBS are able to get at the last few world cups have been crackers. Last world cup on Copacabana Beach, elevated with big panoramic windows and view of beach and ocean was brilliant scenery, but to get permission to set up in Red Square would have taken some negotiation.

In the past they have had Cape Town's Table Mountain in the background in 2010, 2006 in Germany in front of the old Reichstag Building in Berlin with view of the dome - they didnt have full rights of Japan/S Korea, so they were in a studio in Sydney but I remember in Paris in 1998 they were close to the Eiffel Tower. USA 1994 they moved around a bit, but mainly San Francisco backdrop and 1990 they mainly did from a studion in Rome




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Why is Lucy sitting on the floor?
 

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We woz robbed on that penalty according to Fozz. GremioPower diegodcg what do you reckon of Craig Foster's analysis of the use of the VAR and disagreeing with David Elleray the Technical Director of the International Football Association board, where he says Risdon touched the ball but the technical director said Risdon lifts his leg and trips Griezmann but Foster says there is no lifting of the leg. The leg only is lifted when Griezmann's back leg clips Risdon's trailing run and it goes upwards then.





Lesson for Aussie defenders at the World Cup, dont slide in the box and you wont get dodgy refs and VAR giving penalties to the opposition.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
We woz robbed on that penalty according to Fozz. GremioPower diegodcg what do you reckon of Craig Foster's analysis of the use of the VAR and disagreeing with David Elleray the Technical Director of the International Football Association board, where he says Risdon touched the ball but the technical director said Risdon lifts his leg and trips Griezmann but Foster says there is no lifting of the leg. The leg only is lifted when Griezmann's back leg clips Risdon's trailing run and it goes upwards then.





Lesson for Aussie defenders at the World Cup, dont slide in the box and you wont get dodgy refs and VAR giving penalties to the opposition.
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Yeh it boils down to whether you think Griezmann was impeded by the fact the "natural" motion of his trailing leg coming up changed due to the presence of Risdon's tackling leg being present. Griezmann obviously took to the ground immediately he felt contact to accentuate it. On the very soft side of penalties given IMO.
 
Floptus struggling so has said SBS get to show all games live over next 48 hours. The Optus app and their streaming have stuffed up and too many break downs in the first 4 days.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sbs-to-...ames-for-next-48-hours-after-talks-with-optus

SBS will air all FIFA World Cup games for the next 48 hours following discussions with Optus amid issues with the Optus Sport streaming service.

More to come.

The announcement came as opposition leader Bill Shorten suggested that the problems could have been avoided if not for funding cuts to SBS, who is sharing the World Cup rights with Optus for the first time.........
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'#FloptusSport'
Optus has faced a barrage of criticism over apparent buffering issues besetting its coverage of the World Cup via its Optus Sports app.

Customers took to social media to complain about the streaming issues, upset that they were missing match content. One told SBS News how constant lag and slow buffering prevented him from enjoying the anticipated showdown between Argentina and Iceland.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sbs-to-...ames-for-next-48-hours-after-talks-with-optus
 
New SBS Schedule
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sbs-to-...ames-for-next-48-hours-after-talks-with-optus

LIVE MATCH SCHEDULE
Monday, June 18
Group F Sweden v Korea Republic LIVE from 9.40pm* on SBS (kick-off 10pm*) NEW

Tuesday, June 19
Group G Belgium v Panama LIVE from 12.45am* on SBS (kick-off 1am*) NEW
Group G Tunisia v England LIVE from 3.30am* on SBS (kick-off 4am*)
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Group H Colombia v Japan LIVE from 9.30pm* on SBS (kick-off 10pm*)

Wednesday, June 20
Group H Poland v Senegal LIVE from 12.45am* on SBS (kick-off 1am*) NEW
Group A Russia v Egypt LIVE from 3.45am* on SBS (kick-off 4am*) NEW

SBS’s existing 2018 FIFA World Cup programming schedule including FIFA World Cup Today highlights show at 5.30pm daily and the SBS Match of the Day replay at 6.30am daily will remain in place.
 
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I don't see what so many people are surprised about the #floptus coverage of the WC so far.

Been streaming issues since day 1 with the EPL as well.

some games I watch are sometimes up to 5mins behind which is pathetic when it's supposed to be live coverage.
I will say one thing optus is doing better than foxtel, is content with the EPL. So many good shows to watch on optus in that regard.
 
LFC2010 said:
I don't see what so many people are surprised about the #floptus coverage of the WC so far.

Been streaming issues since day 1 with the EPL as well.

some games I watch are sometimes up to 5mins behind which is pathetic when it's supposed to be live coverage.
I will say one thing optus is doing better than foxtel, is content with the EPL. So many good shows to watch on optus in that regard.
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Only a small percentage of people, maybe 20%, who watch the World Cup would be interested in paying to get the Optus App to watch the EPL. 1 game a week on SBS is plenty for the soccer fan who isn't passionate about an EPL team or the whole comp.

Apparently if you have the Fetch TV box things have gone well for these subscribers.

So having no experience with the Optus App, but plenty with AFL and other sports, yeah its not totally surprising, but what is totally surprising is how little Optus were prepared to spend on infrastructure to minimise a stuff up. Surely they aren't that dumb not expect there will be a decent demand to watch the WC via an app if that's the only choice. I ummed and arghed about watching it on my phone/computer because I knew it wouldn't be great, but it wasn't until Thursday when I saw that SBS only has rights to 12 of the 48 group stage games, no final 16 games, no 1/4 finals and only got the semis, 3rd place game and final. Saturday morning I said **** it, I will pay $14.99 and watch some of the games on my laptop at 10pm or 1am for the decent games.

I would have hated to have not seen the Mexico 1-0 win over Germny and the Spain v Portugal 3 all draw on a decent HD TV screen and been forced to watch them on a small screen with buffering issues.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
We woz robbed on that penalty according to Fozz. GremioPower diegodcg what do you reckon of Craig Foster's analysis of the use of the VAR and disagreeing with David Elleray the Technical Director of the International Football Association board, where he says Risdon touched the ball but the technical director said Risdon lifts his leg and trips Griezmann but Foster says there is no lifting of the leg. The leg only is lifted when Griezmann's back leg clips Risdon's trailing run and it goes upwards then.





Lesson for Aussie defenders at the World Cup, dont slide in the box and you wont get dodgy refs and VAR giving penalties to the opposition.
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I think it was a clear PK, regardless of Grizmann's action. As Law 12 states:

"A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
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  • tackles or challenges
  • trips or attempts to trip
If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

  • Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge..."
 
GremioPower said:
I think it was a clear PK, regardless of Grizmann's action. As Law 12 states:

"A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
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  • tackles or challenges
  • trips or attempts to trip
If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

  • Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge..."
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So why did the technical director make a point about raising the leg and causing the trip. If it was clear and raising the leg is irrelevant he shouldn't have mentioned it. I assumed Foster ( an ex socceroo and obviously disappointed) knew what he was talking about re the issue.
 

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RussellEbertHandball said:
So why did the technical director make a point about raising the leg and causing the trip. If it was clear and raising the leg is irrelevant he shouldn't have mentioned it. I assumed Foster ( an ex socceroo and obviously disappointed) knew what he was talking about re the issue.
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Because it is Law! I had a professor who said: "Jurisprudence is the most precise science there is: Law is always precisely what we want it to be." :-p

It is a matter of perspective. He is saying that: (a) Griezmann caused the contact; and (b) Risdon wasn't careless. My opinion is that Risdon was careless, and Griezmann "accepted" the contact — which is a possible action in such circumstances.
 
GremioPower said:
Because it is Law! I had a professor who said: "Jurisprudence is the most precise science there is: Law is always precisely what we want it to be." :p

It is a matter of perspective. He is saying that: (a) Griezmann caused the contact; and (b) Risdon wasn't careless. My opinion is that Risdon was careless, and Griezmann "accepted" the contact — which is a possible action in such circumstances.
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I disagree it was careless. Risdon kept his leg at the same height throughout the tackle. He did a lot of things right. Like I said previously it was the fact that Griezmann's follow through hind leg as it would naturally come up for the next step was prevented from doing so because the tackling leg ,being in the position it was, prevented it from doing so. As was said by an English dude on another football panel featuring ex Aussie skipper Paul Okon, if every contact was paid a free kick the whistle would blow every minute.
 
Harlott said:
I disagree it was careless. Risdon kept his leg at the same height throughout the tackle. He did a lot of things right. Like I said previously it was the fact that Griezmann's follow through hind leg as it would naturally come up for the next step was prevented from doing so because the tackling leg ,being in the position it was, prevented it from doing so. As was said by an English dude on another football panel featuring ex Aussie skipper Paul Okon, if every contact was paid a free kick the whistle would blow every minute.
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It is not every contact; and sometimes not even contact is necessary. Here is the link for Law 12:

http://www.theifab.com/laws/fouls-and-misconduct-2018/chapters/direct-free-kick-2018
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
We woz robbed on that penalty according to Fozz. GremioPower diegodcg what do you reckon of Craig Foster's analysis of the use of the VAR and disagreeing with David Elleray the Technical Director of the International Football Association board, where he says Risdon touched the ball but the technical director said Risdon lifts his leg and trips Griezmann but Foster says there is no lifting of the leg. The leg only is lifted when Griezmann's back leg clips Risdon's trailing run and it goes upwards then.





Lesson for Aussie defenders at the World Cup, dont slide in the box and you wont get dodgy refs and VAR giving penalties to the opposition.
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I haven't said I cannot watch the video.
 
GremioPower said:
I haven't said I cannot watch the video.
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I assume you have tried to watch it in You Tube. Must be geo-blocked because of TV rights issues. Probably means you won't be able to see the twitter link if I find one because that will be blocked as well.
 
GremioPower said:
It is not every contact; and sometimes not even contact is necessary. Here is the link for Law 12:

http://www.theifab.com/laws/fouls-and-misconduct-2018/chapters/direct-free-kick-2018
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I was paraphrasing but I meant if every careless tackle was paid there would still be a truckload of interruptions. The Ger v Mex game was a classic example of a game where the ref only called obvious free kicks. So not only do we now have subjective refereeing from one game to the next, I think in these initial matches we are having subjective VAR decisions.
 

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Harlott said:
I was paraphrasing but I meant if every careless tackle was paid there would still be a truckload of interruptions. The Ger v Mex game was a classic example of a game where the ref only called obvious free kicks. So not only do we now have subjective refereeing from one game to the next, I think in these initial matches we are having subjective VAR decisions.
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Differences from one game to the next is ok; specially if not the same referee. Distinct people call the game differently, and, within certain boundaries, that is absolutely fine.

I think the VAR is only getting in (or mostly getting in) when the call/non-call is clearly wrong. Otherwise, it is deferring the decision to the match referee.
 
Anyone see the Tunisian fan with body paint that they showed after the goal on the telly this morning? Unfortunately there are only edited highlights on youtube so I can't find it. When the Tunisians did a Mexican wave, he did one himself.
 
Harlott said:
I disagree it was careless. Risdon kept his leg at the same height throughout the tackle. He did a lot of things right. Like I said previously it was the fact that Griezmann's follow through hind leg as it would naturally come up for the next step was prevented from doing so because the tackling leg ,being in the position it was, prevented it from doing so. As was said by an English dude on another football panel featuring ex Aussie skipper Paul Okon, if every contact was paid a free kick the whistle would blow every minute.
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The thing is careless is as careless does. Whether rightly or wrongly tackles inside the box have a high chance of being paid, especially as the player being tackled will make a big thing of them. Defending teams have two options, don't go down in tackles in the box or keep doing it and risk giving away penalties. Screaming about the unfairness of the whole thing is not going to change the referees mind.
 
mic59 said:
Anyone see the Tunisian fan with body paint that they showed after the goal on the telly this morning? Unfortunately there are only edited highlights on youtube so I can't find it. When the Tunisians did a Mexican wave, he did one himself.
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He was a big boy. Can't find a pic though
 

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