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GremioPower said:
It doesn't allow a forward player to be stuck near the goalkeeper.
It allows teams to play their last line high up the pitch.
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thanks for a response Gremio

Why do those things make the game better though?

I'm not a big watcher of soccer but when I do watch it seems like some really good moments in a game are ruined by very marginal offside calls. I'm interested in the perspective of those who know the game really well as to why offside makes it a better game, and even what they think it would do to the spectacle of the sport if the rule was removed. It might help me to appreciate the game more
 
WC chances of getting out of the group stage is over. A -3 goal difference to start means a draw and a wim against the other 2 wont be enough and having watch the Danes v Tunisia we arent beating either of them.
 
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European clubs dominate squads at World Cup 2022

Nearly three-quarters of footballers at the first World Cup in the Middle East play in European teams.
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Of the about 830 footballers at the World Cup in Qatar, 73 percent ply their trade in European clubs, an analysis of squad lists has found.
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Germany’s Bayern Munich is the best-represented club, with 17 players selected for World Cup squads.
Spain’s Barcelona and England’s Manchester City each have 16, according to research published this week by European football consultants LTT Sports.

Outside of Europe, Qatari champions Al Sadd has 15 players at the tournament, opening on Sunday.

The domestic leagues of the United States and Saudi Arabia, meanwhile, each have 35 players called up for World Cup duties with a variety of national squads.

Argentina is leaning heavily on the top five European leagues by calling up 23 international club footballers, including Messi from Paris Saint-Germain, as well as others from clubs in England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France.

Italian clubs alone are providing 70 players to World Cup squads – even though Italy’s national team did not qualify for the tournament.


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RussellEbertHandball said:
They aren't French flags, they are FIFA and Qatar WC symbols.

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Very Uninspired: 2022 World Cup Kit Sleeve Badges Revealed - Dark & Light Versions

Update: The official photo shoots for the 2022 World Cup give us the first official look at the 2022 FIFA World Cup sleeve badges.
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On the front of the shirt, just below the emblem, are the flags of France and Australia. As GremioPower said, they are specifically designed for each match.

Some countries just have the embroider, some include the flags.
 
Grave Danger said:
Nil from EPL according to this, three from the second tier though:

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Premier League players appearing at the FIFA World Cup 2022 by nation

Find out the Premier League stars featuring in Qatar, along with the most represented country
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Goalkeepers: Andrew Redmayne (Sydney FC), Maty Ryan (Copenhagen), Danny Vukovic (Central Coast Mariners).
Defenders: Nathaniel Atkinson (Hearts), Aziz Behich (Dundee United), Milos Degenek (Columbus Crew), Thomas Deng (Albirex Niigata), Fran Karacic (Brescia), Joel King (OB), Kye Rowles (Hearts), Harry Souttar (Stoke), Bailey Wright (Sunderland).
Midfielders: Keanu Baccus (St Mirren), Cameron Devlin (Hearts), Ajdin Hrustic (Verona), Jackson Irvine (St Pauli), Riley McGree (Middlesbrough), Aaron Mooy (Celtic).
Forwards: Jason Cummings (Central Coast Mariners), Mitchell Duke (Fagiano Okayama), Craig Goodwin (Adelaide United), Garang Kuol (Central Coast Mariners), Mathew Leckie (Melbourne City), Awer Mabil (Cadiz), Jamie Maclaren (Melbourne City), Marco Tilio (Melbourne City).


Lol. Celtic the only "Bigish" club there. Just tells you why we are so shit.

Compare this to the players we had in top flight English, Italian, Dutch, Spanish and German leagues back in 06, it's chalk and cheese.
 
Garibaldi Red said:
On the front of the shirt, just below the emblem, are the flags of France and Australia. As GremioPower said, they are specifically designed for each match.

Some countries just have the embroider, some include the flags.
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Shit totally missed that. Didn't notice them in the game.
 
Papa G said:
Goalkeepers: Andrew Redmayne (Sydney FC), Maty Ryan (Copenhagen), Danny Vukovic (Central Coast Mariners).
Defenders: Nathaniel Atkinson (Hearts), Aziz Behich (Dundee United), Milos Degenek (Columbus Crew), Thomas Deng (Albirex Niigata), Fran Karacic (Brescia), Joel King (OB), Kye Rowles (Hearts), Harry Souttar (Stoke), Bailey Wright (Sunderland).
Midfielders: Keanu Baccus (St Mirren), Cameron Devlin (Hearts), Ajdin Hrustic (Verona), Jackson Irvine (St Pauli), Riley McGree (Middlesbrough), Aaron Mooy (Celtic).
Forwards: Jason Cummings (Central Coast Mariners), Mitchell Duke (Fagiano Okayama), Craig Goodwin (Adelaide United), Garang Kuol (Central Coast Mariners), Mathew Leckie (Melbourne City), Awer Mabil (Cadiz), Jamie Maclaren (Melbourne City), Marco Tilio (Melbourne City).


Lol. Celtic the only "Bigish" club there. Just tells you why we are so s**t.

Compare this to the players we had in top flight English, Italian, Dutch, Spanish and German leagues back in 06, it's chalk and cheese.
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Verona are Serie A, but bottom of the table.
 

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NoddyHolder said:
thanks for a response Gremio

Why do those things make the game better though?

I'm not a big watcher of soccer but when I do watch it seems like some really good moments in a game are ruined by very marginal offside calls. I'm interested in the perspective of those who know the game really well as to why offside makes it a better game, and even what they think it would do to the spectacle of the sport if the rule was removed. It might help me to appreciate the game more
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It is all to do with spacing. If there was no offside rule you'd end up with 5 players deep near the attacking goal and 5 players defending your own goal, with very little movement in midfield.

By having the offside rule it allows for better spacing creating less congestion in the 18 yard boxes.

It also allows for counter attacking football which would not be possible if the offside rule were not in existence.

The way the offside rule is interpreted these days by VAR is shit though. It's been overcomplicated. In an attempt to strive for perfection using video technology they've muddied the waters because no one seems to know anymore how much of a person's body (or what parts of their body) must be level with the defender at the time the ball is played in to warrant being onside.
 
Chewy316 said:
It is all to do with spacing. If there was no offside rule you'd end up with 5 players deep near the attacking goal and 5 players defending your own goal, with very little movement in midfield.

By having the offside rule it allows for better spacing creating less congestion in the 18 yard boxes.

It also allows for counter attacking football which would not be possible if the offside rule were not in existence.

The way the offside rule is interpreted these days by VAR is s**t though. It's been overcomplicated. In an attempt to strive for perfection using video technology they've muddied the waters because no one seems to know anymore how much of a person's body (or what parts of their body) must be level with the defender at the time the ball is played in to warrant being onside.
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cheers. makes sense
 
Chewy316 said:
It is all to do with spacing. If there was no offside rule you'd end up with 5 players deep near the attacking goal and 5 players defending your own goal, with very little movement in midfield.

By having the offside rule it allows for better spacing creating less congestion in the 18 yard boxes.

It also allows for counter attacking football which would not be possible if the offside rule were not in existence.

The way the offside rule is interpreted these days by VAR is s**t though. It's been overcomplicated. In an attempt to strive for perfection using video technology they've muddied the waters because no one seems to know anymore how much of a person's body (or what parts of their body) must be level with the defender at the time the ball is played in to warrant being onside.
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Hockey (field) made 2 changes, first in the late 80's after 100 years or so, they got rid of the offside rule for everywhere except for the attackers 25 yard line/area and that opened the game up as no offside in the other (3x25) 75 yard areas.

There was a lot of bloody whistle blowing before the late's 80 change and a lot of contentious calls. Still happened a bit before the 1998 change.

Then in 1996 they had a 2 year mandatory experiment with no offside rule at all and it worked so well it became permanent in 1998. It improved scoring, encouraged attacking play and you didn't see half the players permanently park themselves in the 16 yard semi circle.

I reckon FIFA could do the same sort of thing, ie a 2 step process and say no offside outside the penalty box, because VAR has made it ridiculous and so much time seems to be wasted. Then after a few years see whether they copy hockey's 2nd step.

The big difference between hockey and soccer is that in hockey you can only score a goal from inside the 16 yard semi circle. Can't see FIFA saying you can only score from inside the penalty box.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Hockey (field) made 2 changes, first in the late 80's after 100 years or so, they got rid of the offside rule for everywhere except for the attackers 25 yard line/area and that opened the game up as no offside in the other (3x25) 75 yard areas.

There was a lot of bloody whistle blowing before the late's 80 change and a lot of contentious calls. Still happened a bit before the 1998 change.

Then in 1996 they had a 2 year mandatory experiment with no offside rule at all and it worked so well it became permanent in 1998. It improved scoring, encouraged attacking play and you didn't see half the players permanently park themselves in the 16 yard semi circle.

I reckon FIFA could do the same sort of thing, ie a 2 step process and say no offside outside the penalty box, because VAR has made it ridiculous and so much time seems to be wasted. Then after a few years see whether they copy hockey's 2nd step.

The big difference between hockey and soccer is that in hockey you can only score a goal from inside the 16 yard semi circle. Can't see FIFA saying you can only score from inside the penalty box.
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If there was no offside until the penalty area you'd get a wall built by the defence right on the edge of the area resulting in space galore in midfield with little players actually positioned there.

The offside rule has worked for many years. There's no need to change it imo.
 
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Saudi Arabia’s 2-1 victory over Argentina has sent shockwaves around world football and is already being hailed by many as the greatest upset in the history of the World Cup. It certainly has a strong case, given the superstars in the Argentine line-up (including Lionel Messi, of course), and it will be hard to top it at this tournament.

Data company Gracenote projected that Saudi Arabia had an 8.7 per cent chance of winning, so therefore this result surpassed USA’s victory over England in 1950 (9.5%) as statistically the biggest World Cup upset.

But was it really the best ever? We asked a panel of our experts at The Athletic to nominate other great shocks in the competition and explain why they still resonate today..................

They analysis this game and 7 other big upsets.

 

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