Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[Mister Carlton]

Shhh.. don’t spoil the party.

 

[Scotland]

Someone explain to me why St.Kilda are chasing TDK when Marshall is the better player and TDK being no certainty to be better than him in the future.

Not to mention shelling out 1.8 million for a ruckman just isn't worth it. Richmond won multiple premierships with Nankervis, Hawthorn with McEvoy, Collingwood with Cameron and most recently, Brisbane with Fort. Gawn would be the only genuine superstar ruck to have won a premiership in recent times.

Because it's St Kilda. There's a thread on the main board where some of their fans were arguing that because Finn Callaghan and others don't want to go there paying overs for a player that doesn't fill a position of need is a good strategy.

They cooked their drafting when they were at the bottom but in recent years it has been pretty good. Should just stay the course instead of overpaying players from other clubs.

 

[jumperfan]

Someone explain to me why St.Kilda are chasing TDK when Marshall is the better player and TDK being no certainty to be better than him in the future.

Not to mention shelling out 1.8 million for a ruckman just isn't worth it. Richmond won multiple premierships with Nankervis, Hawthorn with McEvoy, Collingwood with Cameron and most recently, Brisbane with Fort. Gawn would be the only genuine superstar ruck to have won a premiership in recent times.

FWIW I'd be fine if we just dropped the TDK offer right now. I also don't think Marshall will leave.

Marshall might be better but he's not getting any younger. He's kind of a strange ruck in that he hasn't ever been good at winning taps but is excellent as an interceptor, tall target and fourth midfielder. While these are all extremely valuable skills his inability to win taps doesn't make it easy for our midfield, which is already thin, to get on top in games.

 

[stallon]

Someone explain to me why St.Kilda are chasing TDK when Marshall is the better player and TDK being no certainty to be better than him in the future.

• TDK 4 years younger than RoMo and costs no draft capital
• Marshall can then be traded for a first round pick
• they have salary cap space to burn
• They have a bunch of decent kids in the 18-22 years old bracket, a ruckman a 3-4 years older fits their age profile for a prolonged stint at finals while Dodson/Heath develop as the next in line, giving those next ruckmen 5-6 years to come of age.

Not to mention shelling out 1.8 million for a ruckman just isn't worth it. Richmond won multiple premierships with Nankervis, Hawthorn with McEvoy, Collingwood with Cameron and most recently, Brisbane with Fort. Gawn would be the only genuine superstar ruck to have won a premiership in recent times.

Salary cap space to burn.
If they trade Marshall the end result is:
+TDK and a first round pick
-1.8mil salary cap space(that they didnt need as their bigger targets fell through) and Marshall

Pick purchasing

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

FWIW I'd be fine if we just dropped the TDK offer right now. I also don't think Marshall will leave.

Marshall might be better but he's not getting any younger. He's kind of a strange ruck in that he hasn't ever been good at winning taps but is excellent as an interceptor, tall target and fourth midfielder. While these are all extremely valuable skills his inability to win taps doesn't make it easy for our midfield, which is already thin, to get on top in games.

Bringing up the age thing and how TDK fits better into your finals window, I am on board with but I think if you get TDK, playing both Marshall and TDK is a waste of resources. When have 2 A grade rucks played their best football in the same team together? In recent times, we've seen Gawn and Grundy fail, Fremantle seem to play better with Jackson as their sole ruck....I know Marshall has much better forward craft but I think his talents around the ball is wasted if he plays predominantly forward.

The only way I'd agree with St.Kilda chasing TDK is if they can trade Marshall out for something really good.

 

[projectv]

Bringing up the age thing and how TDK fits better into your finals window, I am on board with but I think if you get TDK, playing both Marshall and TDK is a waste of resources. When have 2 A grade rucks played their best football in the same team together? In recent times, we've seen Gawn and Grundy fail, Fremantle seem to play better with Jackson as their sole ruck....I know Marshall has much better forward craft but I think his talents around the ball is wasted if he plays predominantly forward.

The only way I'd agree with St.Kilda chasing TDK is if they can trade Marshall out for something really good.

Marshall was a forward originally. He's arguably better as a forward than as a ruck - he's not a very good ruck, certainly not "A grade" as you suggest.

We've been using Owens, Sharman and even Phillipou as a chopout forward ruck, all of which are terribly unsuited for that. Having Marshall forward and ruck inside 50 would be great for us, especially if King is fit and playing.

Or he leaves and we get a first round pick from Geelong or someone else.

It's a win/win either way.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Bringing up the age thing and how TDK fits better into your finals window, I am on board with but I think if you get TDK, playing both Marshall and TDK is a waste of resources. When have 2 A grade rucks played their best football in the same team together? In recent times, we've seen Gawn and Grundy fail, Fremantle seem to play better with Jackson as their sole ruck....I know Marshall has much better forward craft but I think his talents around the ball is wasted if he plays predominantly forward.

The only way I'd agree with St.Kilda chasing TDK is if they can trade Marshall out for something really good.

As I’ve mentioned a bunch of times in here, we were a considerably better team when we had both Ro and Ryder playing together (including winning our only final in the last 15 years, and our winning percentage was significantly higher when we had them both playing, once Paddy got up to speed), but if we have both playing, it leaves no room for Keeler, Dodson, Dodson, or Heath (who have all shown something in the seniors this last few months), nor possibly Tauru up there, if Aleer pushes him out of the backline.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

FWIW I'd be fine if we just dropped the TDK offer right now. I also don't think Marshall will leave.

Marshall might be better but he's not getting any younger. He's kind of a strange ruck in that he hasn't ever been good at winning taps but is excellent as an interceptor, tall target and fourth midfielder. While these are all extremely valuable skills his inability to win taps doesn't make it easy for our midfield, which is already thin, to get on top in games.

Stop it, Chris Scott is in love enough

 

[Turbocat]

As I’ve mentioned a bunch of times in here, we were a considerably better team when we had both Ro and Ryder playing together (including winning our only final in the last 15 years, and our winning percentage was significantly higher when we had them both playing, once Paddy got up to speed), but if we have both playing, it leaves no room for Keeler, Dodson, Dodson, or Heath (who have all shown something in the seniors this last few months), nor possibly Tauru up there, if Aleer pushes him out of the backline.

Id like for us to enquire about Heath and Keeler both being OOC ..but I wonder with todays deal whether RM will become more a realistic option.. If NWM was a 750 player only a short period ago and is now 2m ..one would think a little bit of a sal cap affect would take place.

 

[VDS66]

• TDK 4 years younger than RoMo and costs no draft capital
• Marshall can then be traded for a first round pick
• they have salary cap space to burn
• They have a bunch of decent kids in the 18-22 years old bracket, a ruckman a 3-4 years older fits their age profile for a prolonged stint at finals while Dodson/Heath develop as the next in line, giving those next ruckmen 5-6 years to come of age.

Salary cap space to burn.
If they trade Marshall the end result is:
+TDK and a first round pick
-1.8mil salary cap space(that they didnt need as their bigger targets fell through) and Marshall

Pick purchasing

Old mate talking waaaaay to much sense for this place.

 

[VDS66]

Stop it, Chris Scott is in love enough

Landing TDK at the cattery is a very Geelong thing to do. If, as rumoured the Saints are looking to renegoiate our offer, it might just happen. Either way, I reckon the Blues want him gone for the compo pick.

 

[JG22]

Genuine fascination if he leaves or not, I think Lyon wants to retain the height and experience.

Jay Clark's article saying he is keen to stay, but many murmurings are he'll leave, then apparently TDK wants to play with him, not that his opinion really matters on that. You do think someone of substance has to leave to free up cash though.

 

[Atomboy]

• TDK 4 years younger than RoMo and costs no draft capital
• Marshall can then be traded for a first round pick
• they have salary cap space to burn
• They have a bunch of decent kids in the 18-22 years old bracket, a ruckman a 3-4 years older fits their age profile for a prolonged stint at finals while Dodson/Heath develop as the next in line, giving those next ruckmen 5-6 years to come of age.

Salary cap space to burn.
If they trade Marshall the end result is:
+TDK and a first round pick
-1.8mil salary cap space(that they didnt need as their bigger targets fell through) and Marshall

Pick purchasing

Geez man, don’t waste your time, this has been explained a number of times.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Landing TDK at the cattery is a very Geelong thing to do. If, as rumoured the Saints are looking to renegoiate our offer, it might just happen. Either way, I reckon the Blues want him gone for the compo pick.

TDK would be great but I was talking about Marshall.

An ex saint drafted as a FF, converted to ruck but can't win the hit outs? Shut up and give that man a farm

 

[VDS66]

TDK would be great but I was talking about Marshall.

An ex saint drafted as a FF, converted to ruck but can't win the hit outs? Shut up and give that man a farm

I know. Just saying that all the talk is RoMa to your club, but wouldn't surprise me if TDK landed there instead. Just like Buddy was locked in at GWS.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I know. Just saying that all the talk is RoMa to your club, but wouldn't surprise me if TDK landed there instead. Just like Buddy was locked in at GWS.

Yeah tdk is fine too i guess (insert spoiled child grunting sounds here)

 

[FootyLad0]

TDK would be great but I was talking about Marshall.

An ex saint drafted as a FF, converted to ruck but can't win the hit outs? Shut up and give that man a farm

I would love Rhys Stanley Rowan Marshall

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I would love Rhys Stanley Rowan Marshall

Let's invite Kozzy Pickett to Roma's farm in a couple of years

 

[Ash1337]

Marshall's body is barely holding up. I think he's been playing injured for awhile now. I keep expecting to see him a late out. He's not going to look for a trade imo. He's looking for rucking relief and saints have tried many in the position. Also teams always want to improve their list. It's like asking why dogs are going after Butters with their midfield. Why not a simple because he's a top player be enough? Perfect Libba replacement too.

 

[FootyLad0]

He's not going to look for a trade imo. He's looking for rucking relief and saints have tried many in the position.

He tried to get a trade to Geelong just last year and now it's popped up again lol

 

[jumperfan]

I'd be in the "keep Marshall and TDK" camp, if it's possible to do so. We desperately need height all over the ground. Watching our women's team win on the weekend through endless contested marking was a revelation.

 

[Present Not Past]

Bringing up the age thing and how TDK fits better into your finals window, I am on board with but I think if you get TDK, playing both Marshall and TDK is a waste of resources. When have 2 A grade rucks played their best football in the same team together? In recent times, we've seen Gawn and Grundy fail, Fremantle seem to play better with Jackson as their sole ruck....I know Marshall has much better forward craft but I think his talents around the ball is wasted if he plays predominantly forward.

The only way I'd agree with St.Kilda chasing TDK is if they can trade Marshall out for something really good.

I don't know. Under Ross Lyon he had Michael Gardiner and Steven King.
They went alright. Grand Final and all that nonsense.

 

[MisterMarcus]

FWIW I'd be fine if we just dropped the TDK offer right now. I also don't think Marshall will leave.

Marshall might be better but he's not getting any younger. He's kind of a strange ruck in that he hasn't ever been good at winning taps but is excellent as an interceptor, tall target and fourth midfielder. While these are all extremely valuable skills his inability to win taps doesn't make it easy for our midfield, which is already thin, to get on top in games.

Have you guys given any thought to playing him as a Blicavs-style tall utility who chops out in the ruck occassionally but isn't the main ruckman?

Does he have the tank?

 

[jumperfan]

Have you guys given any thought to playing him as a Blicavs-style tall utility who chops out in the ruck occassionally but isn't the main ruckman?

Does he have the tank?

Don't know. I'd like to see him in that role though, it'd be a huge win if we could keep him and have him play like that.

 

[projectv]

Have you guys given any thought to playing him as a Blicavs-style tall utility who chops out in the ruck occassionally but isn't the main ruckman?

Does he have the tank?

I expect we'd do exactly that if/when TDK comes in.