Current Royal Commission into gangland convictions on tainted evidence & police corruption

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How do you know that sprockets? He was crying, relief likely. In the eyes of the law now he didn't do it and that's what counts. imo.

Anyhooo fwiw I couldn't be sure he was guilty but I'm pretty sure he was set up.
That's incorrect. In the eyes of the law some of the evidence was gained unlawfully (was it unlawful or just unethical?). Was he in prison for that crime awaiting trial when he blabbed to another inmate he did it? You'd think that if he was in prison for that crime they'd have some pretty good evidence even without the blabbing.

Regardless of whether he was guilty in the eyes of the law the evidence says he did it. Just because the guy he told about it blabbed doesn't mean he didn't tell the guy. I don't believe he was set up - someone drove the car.

If the legal system wasn't trying to limit their costs he'd be retried. Do we know that isn't the case?

EDIT: Sorry, "How do I know he hasn't come out bitter and angry"? Because he said so in that article.
 
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Regardless of whether he was guilty in the eyes of the law the evidence says he did it. Just because the guy he told about it blabbed doesn't mean he didn't tell the guy. I don't believe he was set up - someone drove the car.
They need to dispense with jailhouse snitches on agenda straight up imo.

I'd dispute the evidence said he did it sprockets which is why he's out. Tell me, in a past life were you the hanging judge? ;)
 

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They need to dispense with jailhouse snitches on agenda straight up imo.

I'd dispute the evidence said he did it sprockets which is why he's out. Tell me, in a past life were you the hanging judge? ;)
He's out because some of the evidence, which is actual evidence to everyone but the legal system, was gained unlawfully (or unethically) but he was in when he told the guy he did it. Why was he in in the first place? Would you accept that if the law was changed and unethically gained evidence was allowed in court, that he should have been found guilty?

I would have been a hanging judge, yes, for people proven guilty of heinous crimes. For example, I wouldn't hang you but you'd get a good, stern talking to.
 

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Why was he in in the first place? Would you accept that if the law was changed and unethically gained evidence was allowed in court, that he should have been found guilty?
From this article, police are stating they acted in good faith (maybe not) and are very disappointed with the quashing of Orman's conviction and prosecutors say there is enough other evidence to get a conviction. What is it? Not enough because they've let him out free to sue the state for more money than it would cost to send him to trial again imo.

Sounds like they're saving face and in damage control to me, what else are they going to say? 'Oh .. well we knew we were probably doing the wrong thing but went ahead anyway ... the streets were awash with blood!'

 

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Regardless of whether he was guilty in the eyes of the law the evidence says he did it. Just because the guy he told about it blabbed doesn't mean he didn't tell the guy. I don't believe he was set up - someone drove the car.
John Silvester "Usually when a conviction is quashed there is the possibility of a retrial. It will not happen in this case as Orman is out of here. The evidence is now so fishy no amount of seafood extender could make it palatable."

 

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John Silvester "Usually when a conviction is quashed there is the possibility of a retrial. It will not happen in this case as Orman is out of here. The evidence is now so fishy no amount of seafood extender could make it palatable."

It's faruked!

You can read the decision here
Basically, they're saying that (i) the evidence given by the particular witness (prison mate) isn't necessarily inadmissible in a new trial but that'd be up to a judge to determine and (ii) there won't be a retrial because it's been too long since the crime happened and Orman has served a significant portion of the sentence from the first trial.

From reading the judgement it's not a given that there'll automatically be a payout to Orman.
 

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It's faruked!

You can read the decision here
Basically, they're saying that (i) the evidence given by the particular witness (prison mate) isn't necessarily inadmissible in a new trial but that'd be up to a judge to determine and (ii) there won't be a retrial because it's been too long since the crime happened and Orman has served a significant portion of the sentence from the first trial.

From reading the judgement it's not a given that there'll automatically be a payout to Orman.
Would have to be a given wouldn't it? I've read the judgement but he had 12 years of his life taken on a conviction that was tainted, and the Victorian Police knew it was tainted at the time.
 

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Solitary confinement etc.. I heard it was to try and break him etc.. of course based purely on media reports..
did you have dealings with him at work?
Yes. Certainly not true for the 4 years I had dealings with him.

Melaleuca and Acacia certainly aren't mainstream and have stricter regimes but definitely not solitary. Basically all the gangland crooks at the time were housed in these units, mostly for their own protection.
 

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It's faruked!

You can read the decision here
Basically, they're saying that (i) the evidence given by the particular witness (prison mate) isn't necessarily inadmissible in a new trial but that'd be up to a judge to determine and (ii) there won't be a retrial because it's been too long since the crime happened and Orman has served a significant portion of the sentence from the first trial.

From reading the judgement it's not a given that there'll automatically be a payout to Orman.

It begins.

I'd guess Karam would be next, followed by Cvetnovski (most likely on parole), then they will stage manage the "Underbellyed" types.
 

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John Silvester "Usually when a conviction is quashed there is the possibility of a retrial. It will not happen in this case as Orman is out of here. The evidence is now so fishy no amount of seafood extender could make it palatable."


Silvester really is a piece of excrement.
 

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What’s Orman’s background? I.e. which crew did he hang out with? Priors etc.


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A childhood friend on Andrew Veniamin but in the later years was more in the company of Gatto.
If you see the news footage of Carl Williams & Mick Gatto meeting at crown casino you can Faruk on the scene with Gatto and Steve Kaya.

He was also at La Porchetta when Gatto killed Veniamin in self defence.
Contacts in both camps but more so “Carlton Crew”
 

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As stated above, he won't automatically receive a payout, he'll have to work for it and the govt will (should) fight just as hard not to give him one.
 

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A childhood friend on Andrew Veniamin but in the later years was more in the company of Gatto.
If you see the news footage of Carl Williams & Mick Gatto meeting at crown casino you can Faruk on the scene with Gatto and Steve Kaya.

He was also at La Porchetta when Gatto killed Veniamin in self defence.
Contacts in both camps but more so “Carlton Crew”
OK- so he’s no angel obviously.


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