Current Royal Commission into Lawyer X gangland convictions on tainted evidence & police corruption

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Thanks PD but I can't get into that article. Having a laugh at Sly though, has he specified what those new charges might be?
Can read all his articles in full from here https://www.facebook.com/john.silvester.96

Operation Kayak is what Sly has probably been told to allude to....

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If Tony thinks he can disappear if his convictions are quashed, then his recent bang on the head from a prison bashing has damaged his thought process. Not only has he forgotten that he pleaded guilty, he also doesn’t remember there is a truckload of statements, recordings and forensic evidence that has not been presented against him.

Sitting somewhere in the Victoria Police Crime Command is a fat file called Kayak that could lead to Tony being caught up a creek without a legal paddle.

Because he pleaded guilty, he was given a sentencing discount - 30 years with a minimum of 22 - with the judge saying that without his admission of guilt he would have been given life.

We can reveal that behind closed doors Mokbel only agreed to plead guilty to charges from three separate investigations - code named Orbital, Quills and Magnum - on the condition that the much bigger charges from Kayak were shelved. He was sentenced over 45 kilograms of drugs. Kayak involved an importation 12 times that size.

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Those in the know say there is no chance Mokbel’s conviction will be overturned but if it were, police would dust off the Kayak file and he could be re-charged before he could open the minibar in a five-star hotel.

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Stashed in a consignment of bargain-basement toilets, the Serbian container held drugs with a black market value of $20 million. But it could be used to produce 40 million designer pills with a street value of $2 billion.

The container was shipped to Mokbel’s heartland in Coburg. Mokbel told Joe he transported the chemicals to a bush safe haven. Wherever he stashed it he did a thorough job, because it has never been found.

Kayak investigators declared the chemicals were imported in 22 tubs, each containing 25 kilos of ephedrine. Mokbel sold one for $500,000 and planned to move another to cover the shipment cost. Joe posed as a potential buyer and was given a 27.2-gram sample. Forensic testing on the sample matched ephedrine traces in a toilet in the container. Drug swipes also proved positive in five of the eight bowls and basins examined.

The container was located in a Coburg warehouse controlled by Milad Mokbel. The toilets and basins were transported to a property site in Sunbury, where Tony Mokbel was investing in building a block of units, but were later judged to be of inferior quality and destroyed.

There were hundreds of telephone and face-to-face conversations captured with Mokbel buying and selling drugs and chemicals, discussing amphetamine cooks and accessing pill presses. None of this had anything to do with Gobbo.

The evidence was overwhelming. So why wasn’t it put before the court when Mokbel was finally grabbed in August 2001?

That was because Joe saw some in the then Drug Squad were corrupt and blew the whistle, resulting in three detectives being charged – which meant the Mokbel case was put on hold until they were prosecuted (all three were jailed).

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Operation Kayak...

None of this had anything to do with Gobbo....

The evidence was overwhelming. So why wasn’t it put before the court when Mokbel was finally grabbed in August 2001?

That was because Joe saw some in the then Drug Squad were corrupt and blew the whistle, resulting in three detectives being charged – which meant the Mokbel case was put on hold until they were prosecuted (all three were jailed).
One of those detectives was defended in Court by....

Gobbo

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Surely these alleged to be police informing Victorian lawyers are no longer informing, or practising law in Victoria, or anywhere else in Australia?


Practising lawyers were still registered as police informers as recently as last year, prominent gangland barrister Zarah Garde-Wilson has told the ABC
"We got information about 12 months ago that current lawyers were registered," Ms Garde-Wilson said.
"Given the High Court decision, wouldn't you deregister them as a matter of course?"
"This is the worst legal scandal in Australian history," Ms Garde-Wilson said.
There are also growing concerns the practice of using lawyers as police informants may not be isolated to Victoria.
The New South Wales Bar Association met with the NSW Police, the NSW Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions, the NSW Crime Commission and the Law Enforcement Commission to seek assurances the practice had not been used in that state. The association's deputy executive director, Alistair McConnachie, said discussions were ongoing. But NSW police said they conducted an audit in the use of human sources going as far back at 2003 and had not found any breaches of legal privilege in the state similar to the case of Lawyer X.
 

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Can read all his articles in full from here https://www.facebook.com/john.silvester.96

Operation Kayak is what Sly has probably been told to allude to....

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If Tony thinks he can disappear if his convictions are quashed, then his recent bang on the head from a prison bashing has damaged his thought process. Not only has he forgotten that he pleaded guilty, he also doesn’t remember there is a truckload of statements, recordings and forensic evidence that has not been presented against him.

Sitting somewhere in the Victoria Police Crime Command is a fat file called Kayak that could lead to Tony being caught up a creek without a legal paddle.

Because he pleaded guilty, he was given a sentencing discount - 30 years with a minimum of 22 - with the judge saying that without his admission of guilt he would have been given life.

We can reveal that behind closed doors Mokbel only agreed to plead guilty to charges from three separate investigations - code named Orbital, Quills and Magnum - on the condition that the much bigger charges from Kayak were shelved. He was sentenced over 45 kilograms of drugs. Kayak involved an importation 12 times that size.

...

Those in the know say there is no chance Mokbel’s conviction will be overturned but if it were, police would dust off the Kayak file and he could be re-charged before he could open the minibar in a five-star hotel.

....

Stashed in a consignment of bargain-basement toilets, the Serbian container held drugs with a black market value of $20 million. But it could be used to produce 40 million designer pills with a street value of $2 billion.

The container was shipped to Mokbel’s heartland in Coburg. Mokbel told Joe he transported the chemicals to a bush safe haven. Wherever he stashed it he did a thorough job, because it has never been found.

Kayak investigators declared the chemicals were imported in 22 tubs, each containing 25 kilos of ephedrine. Mokbel sold one for $500,000 and planned to move another to cover the shipment cost. Joe posed as a potential buyer and was given a 27.2-gram sample. Forensic testing on the sample matched ephedrine traces in a toilet in the container. Drug swipes also proved positive in five of the eight bowls and basins examined.

The container was located in a Coburg warehouse controlled by Milad Mokbel. The toilets and basins were transported to a property site in Sunbury, where Tony Mokbel was investing in building a block of units, but were later judged to be of inferior quality and destroyed.

There were hundreds of telephone and face-to-face conversations captured with Mokbel buying and selling drugs and chemicals, discussing amphetamine cooks and accessing pill presses. None of this had anything to do with Gobbo.

The evidence was overwhelming. So why wasn’t it put before the court when Mokbel was finally grabbed in August 2001?

That was because Joe saw some in the then Drug Squad were corrupt and blew the whistle, resulting in three detectives being charged – which meant the Mokbel case was put on hold until they were prosecuted (all three were jailed).

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Detective Silvester still doing excellent PR work for VicPol. He really is a well balanced "journalist".

1) He's delusional if he believes a plea based upon the legal advice of a corrupt lawyer is going to gain any traction with the courts when it comes to holding a defendant to that plea.

2) Good luck to police re-instituting charges, as the massive mitigation a defendant would receive based upon years of wrongful incarceration, would be significant.

3) It's likely that certain persons who have been affected by this are going to seek a reduction in sentence based upon tainted evidence, rather than a complete dismissal of all charges.
 

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Detective Silvester still doing excellent PR work for VicPol. He really is a well balanced "journalist".

1) He's delusional if he believes a plea based upon the legal advice of a corrupt lawyer is going to gain any traction with the courts when it comes to holding a defendant to that plea.

2) Good luck to police re-instituting charges, as the massive mitigation a defendant would receive based upon years of wrongful incarceration, would be significant.

3) It's likely that certain persons who have been affected by this are going to seek a reduction in sentence based upon tainted evidence, rather than a complete dismissal of all charges.
Agree. Pleading guilty isn't necessarily an impediment to finding an injustice or wrong outcome.

But how is he going to claw any credit back when and if people realise he should have known all the above and he was lying to them?
 

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Agree. Pleading guilty isn't necessarily an impediment to finding an injustice or wrong outcome.
Absolutely.

But how is he going to claw any credit back when and if people realise he should have known all the above and he was lying to them?
In Mokbel's particular case there is a multitude of added factors.

You may remember that significant pressure was applied to women in his family?
 

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What do you mean?

They cleaned him out anyway.
They generally will allow the women to keep the family home, or move a certain amount of property into kids names or new company that's hard for the general public to work out what's really gone on if they plead guilty. Did they threaten the women with charges and jail? That's bad juju.

I don't know whether they cleaned him out or not but I'm pretty sure the Crime Commission don't think they did. They were still looking for it all for some time after they got him back from Greece.
 

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Did they threaten the women with charges and jail?
Yes.

This is a lot more intricate than a John Silvester article.

I don't know whether they cleaned him out or not but I'm pretty sure the Crime Commission don't think they did. They were still looking for it all for some time after they got him back from Greece.
The Crime Commission are in the business of looking for crime.
 

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Also, a burglar. She broke into an associate's chambers and was rifling through documents.

Parts of the reports were today read out to a former senior officer from the Source Development Unit who is giving evidence under the pseudonym Sandy White.

Under questioning from Counsel Assisting the Commission Chris Winneke QC, Mr White said he had no memory of reading the report about the office break-in.


 

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Tony tried to broker a deal to end the gangland war in 2004. :laughing:

He told the inquiry Mokbel called for the meeting and the offer was the three would do "short stints" in jail to end the drug war playing out across Melbourne.

"He wanted to get back to the status quo. We could all go back to doing what we do, 'You can be corrupt and we'll keep running the drug trade in Melbourne'," Mr O'Brien said.

Mr O'Brien said from that day he understood Mokbel was a main player in the drug trade and decided to go after him.
(Or was it rather the suggestion that the police were being corrupt, had nfi but that Tones could fix it)

 

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Tony tried to broker a deal to end the gangland war in 2004. :laughing:

He told the inquiry Mokbel called for the meeting and the offer was the three would do "short stints" in jail to end the drug war playing out across Melbourne.

"He wanted to get back to the status quo. We could all go back to doing what we do, 'You can be corrupt and we'll keep running the drug trade in Melbourne'," Mr O'Brien said.

Mr O'Brien said from that day he understood Mokbel was a main player in the drug trade and decided to go after him.
(Or was it rather the suggestion that the police were being corrupt, had nfi but that Tones could fix it)

"He told the inquiry Mokbel called for the meeting and the offer was the three would do "short stints" in jail to end the drug war playing out across Melbourne. "

*Drug war. In other words he'd offer up 3 people in exchange for him going on with his dirty business. How noble.
 

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"He told the inquiry Mokbel called for the meeting and the offer was the three would do "short stints" in jail to end the drug war playing out across Melbourne. "

*Drug war. In other words he'd offer up 3 people in exchange for him going on with his dirty business. How noble.
He probably didn't say 'drug war' at all and also, do they have it on tape? 😆
 

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This transcript of when Mokbel tried to broker a deal to stop the gangland war has to be read to be believed. More interesting than the main points in the article is actually imo, the last paragraph. Here sprockets they do have it on tape.

But when it comes to Mokbel's deal that he wants to take to the then Director of Public Prosecutions, Paul Coghlan, the police aren't impressed.

Robertson: "I don't think anything like this has been attempted."
Mokbel: "Yeah."
Robertson: "Not a multiple-case deal."
Mokbel: "But what, this will stop. I'll tell ya if it's going to stop a royal commission, this will stop it."
Robertson: "Oh my god it could even start one."


 
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