
Roylion,
Given that the Brisbane Lions are a "new" club that started in 1997, you might be interested to read what the AFL's official view is on statitics for the new club.
I was under the impression that the "games" record holder for the Brisbane Lions would be the person who has played the most games for the club since the start of 1997. But it looks as though the AFL have "changed" all this and made, what can only be described as a stupid decision (which I will get to in a second)
I have here in front of me a copy of "AFL 2000". It was given out before the start of the 2000 season and incorporates all statistics from VFL/AFL history. The 2001 version will come out in a few weeks. In the opening page there is a paragraph which will interest you. It says this :
"BRISBANE/FITZROY : In December 1999, the AFL made a clear position on statistics regarding the Brisbane Lions following the merger. Players and coaches involved with both the Bears and Brisbane Lions will have their records classified as one set for Brisbane. In other words, Marcus Ashcroft has played 222 premiership matches for the Brisbane (Bears and Lions), while Alistair Lynch has played 204 matches comprising 120 for Fitzroy and 84 for the Brisbane (Bears and Lions). And it means that those such as John Northey and Adrian Fletcher will be recorded as being involved at 4 clubs, not 5. This position will also apply to match records (highest scores, lowest scores, club vs club records), but because the decision was made close to printing deadlines fo AFL 2000, we were unable to publish the detailed changes to those records in this edition. However, they will be altered in AFL 2001"
That is word-for-word out of AFL 2000, Roylion. I don't like it one bit. It basically means that the Brisbane Bears records are incorporated in the Brisbane Lions records, but Fitzroy's aren't. That sucks. It means that Alistar Lynch is regarded as plaing for two clubs. As mentioned above, 120 games for Fitzroy and 84 for the Brisbane Bears and Lions. It means that if you played games for the Bears, this counts towards your games for the Lions. Yet, if you played games for Fitzroy, it doesn't count towards your games for the Lions.
The reality is, that Brisbane Lions are a different club to the Bears and Fitzroy and Alistair Lynch "should" be regarded as having played for 3 clubs. But apparently, the AFL syas NO.
It means that in 2001, when the Lions play, say Essendon, the "past records" will show 16-4 in favour of the Bombers. This takes into account Bears games and Brisbane Lions games. That logic is f*cked up. Going by that logic, why not say Essendon has played the Brisbane Lions 190 times and incorporate Fitzroy stats to add to the Brisbane Lions stats since 1997 ?
It's all f*cked up and I dont like it one bit. These stats are treating Fitzroy and the Bears differently.
If I were you, I'd write to the AFL and ask them why they are doing this. Why don't they use the common-sense approach and take all stats from Brisbane Lions games from 1997.
I'd like to contact them as well, because I think it is plain wrong, what they have done. What do you think ?
Given that the Brisbane Lions are a "new" club that started in 1997, you might be interested to read what the AFL's official view is on statitics for the new club.
I was under the impression that the "games" record holder for the Brisbane Lions would be the person who has played the most games for the club since the start of 1997. But it looks as though the AFL have "changed" all this and made, what can only be described as a stupid decision (which I will get to in a second)
I have here in front of me a copy of "AFL 2000". It was given out before the start of the 2000 season and incorporates all statistics from VFL/AFL history. The 2001 version will come out in a few weeks. In the opening page there is a paragraph which will interest you. It says this :
"BRISBANE/FITZROY : In December 1999, the AFL made a clear position on statistics regarding the Brisbane Lions following the merger. Players and coaches involved with both the Bears and Brisbane Lions will have their records classified as one set for Brisbane. In other words, Marcus Ashcroft has played 222 premiership matches for the Brisbane (Bears and Lions), while Alistair Lynch has played 204 matches comprising 120 for Fitzroy and 84 for the Brisbane (Bears and Lions). And it means that those such as John Northey and Adrian Fletcher will be recorded as being involved at 4 clubs, not 5. This position will also apply to match records (highest scores, lowest scores, club vs club records), but because the decision was made close to printing deadlines fo AFL 2000, we were unable to publish the detailed changes to those records in this edition. However, they will be altered in AFL 2001"
That is word-for-word out of AFL 2000, Roylion. I don't like it one bit. It basically means that the Brisbane Bears records are incorporated in the Brisbane Lions records, but Fitzroy's aren't. That sucks. It means that Alistar Lynch is regarded as plaing for two clubs. As mentioned above, 120 games for Fitzroy and 84 for the Brisbane Bears and Lions. It means that if you played games for the Bears, this counts towards your games for the Lions. Yet, if you played games for Fitzroy, it doesn't count towards your games for the Lions.
The reality is, that Brisbane Lions are a different club to the Bears and Fitzroy and Alistair Lynch "should" be regarded as having played for 3 clubs. But apparently, the AFL syas NO.
It means that in 2001, when the Lions play, say Essendon, the "past records" will show 16-4 in favour of the Bombers. This takes into account Bears games and Brisbane Lions games. That logic is f*cked up. Going by that logic, why not say Essendon has played the Brisbane Lions 190 times and incorporate Fitzroy stats to add to the Brisbane Lions stats since 1997 ?
It's all f*cked up and I dont like it one bit. These stats are treating Fitzroy and the Bears differently.
If I were you, I'd write to the AFL and ask them why they are doing this. Why don't they use the common-sense approach and take all stats from Brisbane Lions games from 1997.
I'd like to contact them as well, because I think it is plain wrong, what they have done. What do you think ?