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Okay - A few points from me, on the off chance you're interested. must br talking about pacemaker didn't see any other ideas

Don't like the reserves competition at all really Isn't the idea pacemaker stated. Means lists would chop and change a lot, as well as having to sim two competition. You'll go from a job that takes two hours tops to sim and post to something that will be akin to double that by the time you're transferring players from league to league; simming two leagues. Heaps of work for the admin - and there will be weekends where you won't be up for 3/4 hours of simming and posting.

As far as from a competition perspective goes; why would someone in the reserves post? What incentive do they have? You could have a strong club like Baghdad where 30 players post and some of those 10 not getting a game won't want to stay in the comp. for a year.

Under the current format, they'd just change clubs - or have another team come in (like the Bombers team that has been mooted).

I also believe the teams should be fixed - i.e. players unable to move until end of season once they've been assigned to a team - as far as the Bombers teams go.

And this 2 divisions stuff is ridiculous your opinion on my idea.
I think you were talking to me despite no name being refered to
 

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I think you were talking to me despite no name being refered to
Are you serious. The word 'You' can be used as a plural so there goes that bolded part. And its not like you're the only person who has spoken about a reserves format? Also why did you edit Tigs post? Perhaps he was speaking exclusively to you for the last little bit, but that was hardly the dominant point of his post.
 

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I think you were talking to me despite no name being refered to
Will you please stop thinking the SFA revolves around you...

And this 2 divisions stuff is ridiculous.
The part of TFLUA-Tiger's post I've quoted is the ONLY part of his post that was regarding your idea.
The rest, as he clearly said, was with regards to the reserves competition that has been proposed.

must br talking about pacemaker didn't see any other ideas
...because all you see is whatever comes from your own imagination. Just let it go mate. ;)
 

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I think you were talking to me despite no name being refered to
Okay - First thing, neither the soon nor moon gravitates around you, and my early impressions of you make me think you're an absolute fool so I certainly didn't intend on singling you out personally as there's no point.

When I said you're I meant the comp as a whole.

I do think both the Reserves Comp and the two-tiered comp to be silly ideas, but I said that to the idea as a whole, not your proposal.

Besides, it was Doggies suggestion of the Reserves Comp I was addressing.

I must say I only read a few posts, got the ideas across and then made my points.
 

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Yeah i think i will take your advice. I can't single handly beat a bunch of bombers.

All is good i guess, i look forward in seeing a 3rd bombers team being introduced at the end of 2010
I'm glad you took his advice.

You couldn't beat anyone when your amount of common sense is a negative figure.

Why hasn't Boncer eaten you for breakfast yet?
 

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I'm glad you took his advice.

You couldn't beat anyone when your amount of common sense is a negative figure.

Why hasn't Boncer eaten you for breakfast yet?
Because he plays for me.

No way can there be movement between the squads.
My sentiments too. If there's movement between the squads allowed, then I'm voting no. If no movement then I have no problem with it.
 

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My own two cents is that if it was a two-tiered Div 1 and 2 comp, then movement between squads should not be permitted. If instead it was an unrelated league of comparatively junior standing then I would think movement b/w them would be ok.

I only see two major issues to worry about with players moving between teams (dropped/elevated) :
1. You then could not connect the two leagues by any form of promotion/relegation system. If you did, it is then that the concerns some are voicing would become real. The comps would need to remain separate, as in the teams could not hop up and down between them at season's end. If they could, then there would be tanking and arguing and etc. I see it only being possible if the two clubs were transparently a senior and reserve side.
2. If they were senior and reserve, the common league practices of limited number of matches played for eligibility would need to apply. Meaning, for example if Bombers seniors were in the finals of the senior comp, and Bombers 2nds were cellar dwellers in the reserve comp, anyone playing Bombers reserves in the last round, would love a call-up to the senior team for the senior comp finals series. There would need to be a stipulation of a minimum senior matches already played that season, maybe 7 at the lowest, for them to be eligible.

I'll tell you one thing though, despite all the argy-bargey, hey it sure makes for interesting discussion! I think everyone has a reasonable perspective on the issue, and there's no really completely wrong answer, nor a right one. This is what fantasy footy is all about :thumbsu: arguing the toss over the rights and virtues of one non-existent entity versus another :)

One last point, re the administrative workload of two divs or leagues: One league of 10 teams = 18 rounds of 5 matches each, 90 matches. Two leagues, 6 and 5 clubs, translates to 10 rounds of 3 matches plus 8 rounds of 2 matches, a total of only 46 matches. Two comps doesn't increase the workload, it actually reduces it. Ooh sorry doggies I hope I didn't give away your real reasons for thinking of a second div *giggle* (joke)
 

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^^ can you tank or stack your reserves side with any purpose in a random simulator Mobbs. Don't know why in a 2 tier comp there couldn't be free movement if one was treated as a reserves team (obviously the lower tier).
 

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yeah best to keep it simple have the 10 teams in one comp give the bombers 2 teams, they can make multiple changes when ever they want to, if one of the bombers teams don't make the finals kick out the team which comes 4th and replace them with a bombers side.

there everybody is happy
 

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I don't like it - the squads should be locked in at the beginning of the season and only added to - not chopped and changed.
You don't think the changing would be okay if the teams were in seperate tiers and one was clearly the senior team?

If the tier thing didn't happen (and likely won't) then 100% there would be no movement between the squads other than those agreed at the trade period.
 

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^^ can you tank or stack your reserves side with any purpose in a random simulator Mobbs. Don't know why in a 2 tier comp there couldn't be free movement if one was treated as a reserves team (obviously the lower tier).
oh ... yeah ... oops ... touche :D ... I guess tanking's pretty hard to do with a random number simulator :D
 

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He's just over it all. Fair enough too, I don't want this dragging on any longer than it needs to either.
It's a situation of working out if its viable.

Doggies - tiers is a stupid idea, so I was talking zero flexibility on based on the assumption tiers wouldn't occur.
 

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yeah best to keep it simple have the 10 teams in one comp give the bombers 2 teams, they can make multiple changes when ever they want to, if one of the bombers teams don't make the finals kick out the team which comes 4th and replace them with a bombers side.

there everybody is happy
hahaha! snidely whiplash :D
 

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You don't think the changing would be okay if the teams were in seperate tiers and one was clearly the senior team?

If the tier thing didn't happen (and likely won't) then 100% there would be no movement between the squads other than those agreed at the trade period.
The only real concern I'd see there would be if Bombers reserves got promoted while Bombers seniors got relegated :D
 

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yeah best to keep it simple have the 10 teams in one comp give the bombers 2 teams, they can make multiple changes when ever they want to, if one of the bombers teams don't make the finals kick out the team which comes 4th and replace them with a bombers side.

there everybody is happy
haha. Love it
Nice work :D
 

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He's just over it all. Fair enough too, I don't want this dragging on any longer than it needs to either.
It's been a couple of days. Hardly dragging on yet.

It's a situation of working out if its viable.

Doggies - tiers is a stupid idea, so I was talking zero flexibility on based on the assumption tiers wouldn't occur.
Yeah, completely agree that if there were no tiers (which would be incredibly hard to get majority captain support for, espeically from proposed tier 2 teams) then there should be absolutely no movement other than what is allowed between other clubs (trade time):thumbsu:.

The only real concern I'd see there would be if Bombers reserves got promoted while Bombers seniors got relegated :D
Yeah, I said earlier though that if a tier system ended up happening the Bombers would have to be simply left out of any movements up or down.

My personnal preference in all of this is to remain an 8 team competition. Need to find out whether the Mods are serious about continuing and if the Roys will go ahead. If both are set to go for next season then its just a matter or the following options:
1. Have a bye
2. Have a bot team
3. Have a new club
4. Have a 2nd Bombers team
 

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The only real concern I'd see there would be if Bombers reserves got promoted while Bombers seniors got relegated :D
Wouldn't be a problem, players cold transfer between the 2 teams in the off season under the free agency rules.

The only way players could possibly move freely between the 2 sides would be if it was a seniors and Reserves competition where players are selected to play for the seniors or dropped to the reserves. Anything other system would not allow free movement.
Although the mid-season trade period may allow players to be traded between the 2 teams but that would be permanent until the season is over.

If a second Bombers team is created I'd prefer it to be only to make an even number in the comp (no 1st or 2nd division). No free movement of players outside the usual rules for all teams.

The other option would be a reserves competiton where Bombers' not selected in thr senior side could still play. Unlimited movement between the 2 teams (dropped/promoted) depending on performance.
But I don't think there'll be enough players not playing who for other teams who would make the match threads interesting in the reserves.
 
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