Unsolved Rubaiyat - Suspicious deaths, codes & spies

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FamilySearch.Com has a Walter Ashton timeline ending in 1948.
Geni.com has a Albert Walter Ashton being issued a burial notice in NZ 1968.
However the Geni.com family tree swaps his forenames around. It maybe that they've conflated two different people by choosing the same birth year on both records and hence put him in the wrong family group, or as sometimes happens a person is declared legally dead after being missing for twenty years.
Only way to know is to get the 1968 burial notice from NZ for Albert Walter Ashton and see if it's the same man or see in what circumstances it was issued.
Couldn't find a death certificate in NZ so far, so I'm wondering if whoever's body it was shipped from overseas.
But so far, nothing to confirm it was him.

The FamilySearch.Com entry lists his wife and kids. The Geni.com entry does not, but lists the same siblings.

Presumably the FamilySearch.Com family tree was created by his immediate descendants and the Geni.com family tree by one of his siblings descendants. The FamilySearch.Com tree appears to be more reliable. There s no sources listed except what I added yesterday, which was to link both together




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FamilySearch.Com has a Walter Ashton timeline ending in 1948.
Geni.com has a Albert Walter Ashton being issued a burial notice in NZ 1968.
However the Geni.com family tree swaps his forenames around. It maybe that they've conflated two different people by choosing the same birth year on both records and hence put him in the wrong family group, or as sometimes happens a person is declared legally dead after being missing for twenty years.
Only way to know is to get the 1968 burial notice from NZ for Albert Walter Ashton and see if it's the same man or see in what circumstances it was issued.
Couldn't find a death certificate in NZ so far, so I'm wondering if whoever's body it was shipped from overseas.
But so far, nothing to confirm it was him.

The FamilySearch.Com entry lists his wife and kids. The Geni.com entry does not, but lists the same siblings.

Presumably the FamilySearch.Com family tree was created by his immediate descendants and the Geni.com family tree by one of his siblings descendants. The FamilySearch.Com tree appears to be more reliable. There s no sources listed except what I added yesterday, which was to link both together




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Apparently the below is quoted upon a NZ blogger site....
1941-48 – Wally Ashton was a Communist candidate for the Auckland hospital board in 1941. A candidate for parliament, Auckland central in 1943. Sec of the Auckland trades council in 1943. 1943 sheepskins for Russia. April 1948 Ashton's body was never found. His abandoned car was found at Piha beach Auckland. He disappeared and went missing. (Spies and revolutionaries. Graeme John Hunt (c)2007 NZ).

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Apparently the below is quoted upon a NZ blogger site....
1941-48 – Wally Ashton was a Communist candidate for the Auckland hospital board in 1941. A candidate for parliament, Auckland central in 1943. Sec of the Auckland trades council in 1943. 1943 sheepskins for Russia. April 1948 Ashton's body was never found. His abandoned car was found at Piha beach Auckland. He disappeared and went missing. (Spies and revolutionaries. Graeme John Hunt (c)2007 NZ).

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Only record in New Zealand archives is his divorce from Phyllis Irene Caroline Tisch

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FamilySearch.Com has a Walter Ashton timeline ending in 1948.
Geni.com has a Albert Walter Ashton being issued a burial notice in NZ 1968.
However the Geni.com family tree swaps his forenames around. It maybe that they've conflated two different people by choosing the same birth year on both records and hence put him in the wrong family group, or as sometimes happens a person is declared legally dead after being missing for twenty years.
Only way to know is to get the 1968 burial notice from NZ for Albert Walter Ashton and see if it's the same man or see in what circumstances it was issued.
Couldn't find a death certificate in NZ so far, so I'm wondering if whoever's body it was shipped from overseas.
But so far, nothing to confirm it was him.

The FamilySearch.Com entry lists his wife and kids. The Geni.com entry does not, but lists the same siblings.

Presumably the FamilySearch.Com family tree was created by his immediate descendants and the Geni.com family tree by one of his siblings descendants. The FamilySearch.Com tree appears to be more reliable. There s no sources listed except what I added yesterday, which was to link both together




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Albert Walter Ashton is a different person.
NZ BDM has him being married to a Mavis Sainsbury in 1933

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In case you're wondering. The point of genealogical searching is to look for photographs of people that might be either Somerton Man or related to people who might be nominated as Somerton Man to look for the presence or absence of the peculiar physical characteristics that Somerton Man pocesses as these might be genetically passed down.

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In case you're wondering. The point of genealogical searching is to look for photographs of people that might be either Somerton Man or related to people who might be nominated as Somerton Man to look for the presence or absence of the peculiar physical characteristics that Somerton Man pocesses as these might be genetically passed down.

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No pictures of Walter Ashton yet, but here's someone who might be related to him. Maybe a grandfather or a grand uncle. Not sure yet, but the photo is interesting.


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Albert Walter Ashton is a different person. NZ BDM has him being married to a Mavis Sainsbury in 1933 Sent from my SM-A305YN using Tapatalk
No pictures of Walter Ashton yet, but here's someone who might be related to him. Maybe a grandfather or a grand uncle. Not sure yet, but the photo is interesting.


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Managed to get to the Gazette, some records are digitised so will chase that down.
 

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No pictures of Walter Ashton yet, but here's someone who might be related to him. Maybe a grandfather or a grand uncle. Not sure yet, but the photo is interesting.


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May be able to get something from Old Police records, a euphemism for Special Branch. I have lodged a request and will copy you in.
 

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This is supposed to be Walter Ashton. b.26May1907. d.23Apr1948 from Ancestry.
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This is supposed to be Walter Ashton. b.26May1907. d.23Apr1948 from Ancestry.
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Great photo. Teeth may be a bit good for our man in SA but I guess it depends when this pic was taken. Does this guy look to be about mid 30s?


There are some issues about the Police photographs and will publish later this week, so I wouldn't be writing this man off just yet. Thanks for finding this, it's much appreciated.
 

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Not sure if you will see this clearly but Ive found a mention of him in a NZ Police Gazette which lists his height as 5'7.5". Also says he has a scar on his abdomen and another small scar on his nose. Brown hair, blue eyes, fresh complexion.
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It would be good to know who the sailors were that reportedly smuggled him out of NZ. They would certainly be playing with fire if their identities were known by anyone protecting Ashton. Assuming Ashton did do a bunk with the loot, and wasn't bumped off by someone else to get the loot and leave the missing Ashton to wear the blame.

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It would be good to know who the sailors were that reportedly smuggled him out of NZ. They would certainly be playing with fire if their identities were known by anyone protecting Ashton. Assuming Ashton did do a bunk with the loot, and wasn't bumped off by someone else to get the loot.

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Not out of the question that he did the bumping off?
 

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Not sure if you will see this clearly but Ive found a mention of him in a NZ Police Gazette which lists his height as 5'7.5". Also says he has a scar on his abdomen and another small scar on his nose. Brown hair, blue eyes, fresh complexion. View attachment 967979
Not out of the question that he did the bumping off?
Any number of scenarios are possible. I wonder if there are credible reports of him being sighted alive after his car was found, besides rumours?
The amount that Ashton allegedly went on the lam with, in hindsight, was peanuts compared to how much his bitter arch foe, Thomas Frederick Anderson, admitted to embezzling from the union on his death bed.
One wonders, the true extent of the events surrounding the Ashton disappearance.
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Photos of Hiroshima taken by a sailor on HMAS Hobart. Exact date unknown.


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Professor M L E Oliphant also went to the first nuclear weapons tests at Bikini Atoll as a scientific observer

E W McAlpine went along as the reporter for Australian media



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Side note on defectors:

"So as hard as it was for some KGB officers to stomach, they had to give the traitor a medal instead of shooting him. “Either Yurchenko is as smart as the devil himself,” one KGB officer concluded, “or he is the luckiest bastard alive.”"

.......

"The Russians were candid. Yurchenko, they said, was living in Moscow. He worked as a security officer at a Moscow bank. And one day, they said, if there was any justice, his body would be found “somewhere along the Moscow River.” Sooner or later, Vitaly Yurchenko was going to pay."


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A Final Rendezvous revisited

A friend of Mr Skirpov eh? No wonder ASIO had 3 files on Oliphant. This one's interesting, in as much as it's in the very timeframe that Skirpov received the burst transmitter from Moscow and passed it to "Sylvia" for delivery to Adelaide. similar timeframe when Oliphant was due to host visiting Russian scientists. This maybe the same flight that bought the burst transmitter to Australia.
A lot of redacted stuff and non disclosed pages in Oliphant's files btw


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FamilySearch.Com has a Walter Ashton timeline ending in 1948.
Geni.com has a Albert Walter Ashton being issued a burial notice in NZ 1968.
However the Geni.com family tree swaps his forenames around. It maybe that they've conflated two different people by choosing the same birth year on both records and hence put him in the wrong family group, or as sometimes happens a person is declared legally dead after being missing for twenty years.
Only way to know is to get the 1968 burial notice from NZ for Albert Walter Ashton and see if it's the same man or see in what circumstances it was issued.
Couldn't find a death certificate in NZ so far, so I'm wondering if whoever's body it was shipped from overseas.
But so far, nothing to confirm it was him.

The FamilySearch.Com entry lists his wife and kids. The Geni.com entry does not, but lists the same siblings.

Presumably the FamilySearch.Com family tree was created by his immediate descendants and the Geni.com family tree by one of his siblings descendants. The FamilySearch.Com tree appears to be more reliable. There s no sources listed except what I added yesterday, which was to link both together




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Aged 60 ie 1908
 

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