Rucci is off to a good start already

[Mad Dog]

Your kidding aren't you .....a neutral Melbourne supporter ....rare as hens teeth

neutral in terms of watching teams other than their own...........


I can't believe I actually bothered to spell that out.....

 

[Mad Dog]

The thing that is irritating me about this discussion is that some would argue that........

...."because FTA coverage in terms of "games available" and "live v delay" is crap in my State.......then it should also be crap in Adelaide.....the home of the AFC".

not so....

while most of us will have access to AAMI, Foxtel, and FTA in 2007......the point is.......for 16 years we have been able to watch live coverage of our interstate games (FTA and/or Foxtel)............but in 2007 - that is not the case......and in a 2 team town with 3 broadcasters....I think that's pretty lame.

Comparisons to a 10 team town are irrelevant

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think you are making the mistake of comparing the Vic, Qld, or NSW viewers' plight when really that is not the point of the discussion.

Yes - it's acknowledged that we have had it pretty good compared to others until now.

The comment here is about the differential between what has been here in the past....and what will be in the future..........not a comparison between what is available in Victoria compared to here.

Newsflash: The AFC is an Adelaide based club.....not Melbourne based........we have every right to question why after 17 years...all of a sudden we will not see Friday night games involving the AFC live.

MD I think you need to go back and review the context of why I responded in such a fashion to Macca23.


And here's a news flash .....the AFC is an "Australian" based club!!! .... The comment that the AFC is according to you the sole domain of Adelaide simply makes no sense in the discussion. The fact that you think you have some devine rights based on history just amazes me

......... But then again it doesn't

 

[WaynesWorld19]

oh no !!!...... ........Please don't tell me that fat ex-Hawthorn full forward is going to get another berth.......

The radio will definately be going on....

If your going to attempt to respond with some humour ....at least make it accurate

 

[WaynesWorld19]

neutral in terms of watching teams other than their own...........


I can't believe I actually bothered to spell that out.....

Your actually serious about that comment aren't you

 

[WaynesWorld19]

The thing that is irritating me about this discussion is that some would argue that........

...."because FTA coverage in terms of "games available" and "live v delay" is crap in my State.......then it should also be crap in Adelaide.....the home of the AFC".

not so....

while most of us will have access to AAMI, Foxtel, and FTA in 2007......the point is.......for 16 years we have been able to watch live coverage of our interstate games (FTA and/or Foxtel)............but in 2007 - that is not the case......and in a 2 team town with 3 broadcasters....I think that's pretty lame.

Comparisons to a 10 team town are irrelevant

So you reckon your pretty hard done by

Comparisons to your perceived grave injustice is relevant against the totally justifiable tough time given to other clubs.

Oh yes but as long as it doesn't affect you .......

 

[Mad Dog]

MD I think you need to go back and review the context of why I responded in such a fashion to Macca23.


And here's a news flash .....the AFC is an "Australian" based club!!! .... The comment that the AFC is according to you the sole domain of Adelaide simply makes no sense in the discussion. The fact that you think you have some devine rights based on history just amazes me

......... But then again it doesn't

there is no sole domain...... .....where did I say sole domain ?........hopefully you can quote that for me...

hold on.........are you going to argue that the feed to Adelaide should be the same as Melbourne for AFC games ?

Given your "Australian club" hypothesis (and note I actually bother to quote you and not make it up)........are you arguing that (for example) Western Bulldogs games should get similar coverage in Adelaide as they do in Melbourne ?.....I would hope not.......probably because "The Australian Bulldogs" are in fact a Melbourne based side.

 

[Mad Dog]

If your going to attempt to respond with some humour ....at least make it accurate

huh ?

 

[macca23]

I think you are making the mistake of comparing the Vic, Qld, or NSW viewers' plight when really that is not the point of the discussion.

Yes - it's acknowledged that we have had it pretty good compared to others until now.

The comment here is about the differential between what has been here in the past....and what will be in the future..........not a comparison between what is available in Victoria compared to here.

Newsflash: The AFC is an Adelaide based club.....not Melbourne based........we have every right to question why after 17 years...all of a sudden we will not see Friday night games involving the AFC live.

You're wasting your breath MD, although the highlighted parts would make sense to the average thinking person.

WW lives in that state which contains a morass of under-performing teams in general run inefficiently by megolamaniacs. They are the lowest common denominator and his comments seem to suggest that all states should deteriorate down to that level, TV rights included.

Followed naturally by the usual smug smart-arsed comment about the Grand Prix, not understanding of course that the average punter in SA couldn't care 2 figs about it.

Neither does he seem to have any understanding of the significance of living in a 2 team state like SA or WA (not 10 teams). Or indeed that the teams are actually located here.

Just on the delayed decision itself, apparently a 1 per cent drop in ratings eventually amounts to a decrease in net earnings of $100,000 on the bottom line. A couple of blowouts on a Friday night could have an adverse financial aspect if the telecasts are as delayed as suggested.

 

[Mad Dog]

So you reckon your pretty hard done by

Comparisons to your perceived grave injustice is relevant against the totally justifiable tough time given to other clubs.

Oh yes but as long as it doesn't affect you .......

FFS - you still don't get it.

• 1991 - 2006......Adelaidians can watch the AFC live on a Friday night when they play interstate.

• 2007 - they can't.

• some pass comment here that they are not happy about the change.

• others comment that Adelaidians should harden the ******** up because that's the way it is in Melbourne.

I can't see how that is a valid justification or argument for the change.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

there is no sole domain...... .....where did I say sole domain ?........hopefully you can quote that for me...

hold on.........are you going to argue that the feed to Adelaide should be the same as Melbourne for AFC games ?

Given your "Australian club" hypothesis (and note I actually bother to quote you and not make it up)........are you arguing that (for example) Western Bulldogs games should get similar coverage in Adelaide as they do in Melbourne ?.....I would hope not.......probably because "The Australian Bulldogs" are in fact a Melbourne based side.

Would you stop with this regional bias ....where a club is based is totally irrelevant to any argument your putting forward.

No Iam not suggesting the Bulldogs (as an example) get the same coverage as Adelaide .....but in comparison to them we are laughing and as I have said if I were a Bulldog, or Roo supporter and listening to your grizzles I'd laugh at the stupidity of the grizzles and the rationale behind it.

But Adelaide deserves rights that other clubs don't get because a) your from Adelaide B) historically you have had a better deal.

On the basis of that argument if all AFL finals were historically at the MCG then that situation should continue because historically Melbourne people have always had finals each week at the MCG ......do you not see the folly of your argument

 

[WaynesWorld19]

FFS - you still don't get it.

• 1991 - 2006......Adelaidians can watch the AFC live on a Friday night when they play interstate.

• 2007 - they can't.

• some pass comment here that they are not happy about the change.

• others comment that Adelaidians should harden the ******** up because that's the way it is in Melbourne.

I can't see how that is a valid justification or argument for the change.

Your comments and views remind so much of Tasmania

 

[macca23]

Would you stop with this regional bias ....where a club is based is totally irrelevant to any argument your putting forward.

No Iam not suggesting the Bulldogs (as an example) get the same coverage as Adelaide .....but in comparison to them we are laughing and as I have said if I were a Bulldog, or Roo supporter and listening to your grizzles I'd laugh at the stupidity of the grizzles and the rationale behind it.

But Adelaide deserves rights that other clubs don't get because a) your from Adelaide B) historically you have had a better deal.

On the basis of that argument if all AFL finals were historically at the MCG then that situation should continue because historically Melbourne people have always had finals each week at the MCG ......do you not see the folly of your argument

I think the sad thing with your arguments is that you are actually serious.

You're not the Secretary of the Communist party, are you?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think the sad thing with your arguments is that you are actually serious.

You're not the Secretary of the Communist party, are you?

Great debating skills Macca as always ....

Anything tangible to add to the discussion ....

 

[Mad Dog]

Would you stop with this regional bias ....where a club is based is totally irrelevant to any argument your putting forward.

...Rubbish.....next you'll be advocating all live West Coast games to be beamed into Brisbane. You of all people would understand that Melbourne is a couldren of regional bias. Western suburbs v inner city v outer Eastern. Footy is a regional game. Where a club is based is admissable argument in any football discussion.

No Iam not suggesting the Bulldogs (as an example) get the same coverage as Adelaide .....but in comparison to them we are laughing and as I have said if I were a Bulldog, or Roo supporter and listening to your grizzles I'd laugh at the stupidity of the grizzles and the rationale behind it.

yes....but this is not an argument drawing comparison between coverages of the 16 clubs. The argument is about what has been televised in Adelaide up until now......and what will be available in 2007. As I've said before - many clubs have crap coverage for their supporters....I get that.

But Adelaide deserves rights that other clubs don't get because a) your from Adelaide B) historically you have had a better deal.

........no - because Adelaide is 1 of only 2 clubs in 1 town with 3 broadcasters handling footy.

On the basis of that argument if all AFL finals were historically at the MCG then that situation should continue because historically Melbourne people have always had finals each week at the MCG ......do you not see the folly of your argument

no - poor analogy

 

[Mad Dog]

Your comments and views remind so much of Tasmania

right-o

 

[macca23]

Great debating skills Macca as always ....

Anything tangible to add to the discussion ....

Nope. I recognize that it's an absolute waste of time doing that after reading the following pearl of wisdom:

Would you stop with this regional bias ....where a club is based is totally irrelevant to any argument your putting forward.

FFS!!

 

[Mad Dog]

darn regional bias................

=================================================

Pressure on SAS7

MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER

February 10, 2007 01:15am
Article from: The Advertiser

CHANNEL 7's Adelaide affiliate next week will seek to break from network policy so it can deliver live telecasts of every Crows and Power game played interstate for the next five years.
Under pressure from the Adelaide and Port Adelaide football clubs, their fans - and soon the business world from which Seven wants advertising revenue - SAS7 next week hopes to announce it has removed the threat of 90-minute delays to Friday Night Football featuring the Crows in Melbourne this year.

SAS7 general manager Tony Davidson will seek the right from Seven's network executives in Melbourne to show live all Crows and Power games played interstate. The AFL already has granted SAS7 this option.

Under the new AFL television deal announced on Thursday, Seven said it would no longer guarantee live telecasts of all Crows and Power games played interstate. By contrast, free-to-air partner Channel 10 has assured SA football fans their 17-year habit of watching away games live will continue on Ten.

Davidson yesterday responded to the heavy pressure on SAS7 by saying: "I live here and with my staff am acutely aware of what South Australians want with their football coverage. We're working through this with the network. I won't rule out that Friday Night Football won't be at 8.30, even when the Crows and Power are interstate. But give us a week to work through this - and getting all the other away games live."

The shock of Thursday's announcement on the carve up of the $780 million AFL television rights was Seven putting Crows and Power games from interstate venues on delayed replays rather than live. Adelaide chief executive Steven Trigg yesterday contacted Davidson to seek a rethink.

"They are prepared to talk and listen to us. They are open minded here in Adelaide," Trigg said. "We're quietly confident they understand the wishes of the masses to see our away games live, not delayed."

If Davidson delivers this break from network policy, Adelaide's two Friday night matches this season - against St Kilda on July 13 and Collingwood on August 31, both at Melbourne's Telstra Dome - will be seen live at 7pm, not on a 90-minute delay at 8.30pm.

Port has no Friday night game away from AAMI Stadium this year. But the Power is concerned some of its Sunday matches from interstate will be delayed.

Port chief executive John James also will be seeking meetings with Seven to change this.

"No question about it - our away games must be live on television," James said.

"That's what our people want."

Both James and Trigg yesterday were still waiting for the full television schedule of the 22-round home-and-away season. This was completed on Thursday but the two SA-based clubs only have a guide to the first six weeks.

In that six-week period, Adelaide has three of its home games competing with live telecasts on Foxtel and Channel 10.

Trigg will have his staff monitor ticket sales to guage the affect of live telecasts. And he will charge his marketing department with the challenge of boosting the appeal of attending matches at AAMI Stadium.

"We need to re-address what we offer as match-day entertainment at AAMI Stadium," said Trigg. "We've been accustomed to people coming to the footy to watch the contest - and that would be enough. But now they may think they can do that at home with live telecasts from AAMI Stadium.

"We have to make it compelling to be at the stadium."

 

[WaynesWorld19]

darn regional bias................

=================================================

Pressure on SAS7

MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER

February 10, 2007 01:15am
Article from: The Advertiser

CHANNEL 7's Adelaide affiliate next week will seek to break from network policy so it can deliver live telecasts of every Crows and Power game played interstate for the next five years.
Under pressure from the Adelaide and Port Adelaide football clubs, their fans - and soon the business world from which Seven wants advertising revenue - SAS7 next week hopes to announce it has removed the threat of 90-minute delays to Friday Night Football featuring the Crows in Melbourne this year.

SAS7 general manager Tony Davidson will seek the right from Seven's network executives in Melbourne to show live all Crows and Power games played interstate. The AFL already has granted SAS7 this option.

Under the new AFL television deal announced on Thursday, Seven said it would no longer guarantee live telecasts of all Crows and Power games played interstate. By contrast, free-to-air partner Channel 10 has assured SA football fans their 17-year habit of watching away games live will continue on Ten.

"

Your not that naive are you ?......what would you expect a "local" community Television station to come out and say ...what with all the radio you'd be getting on the subject.

And you come in hook, line, and sinker

 

[- PC -]

Just further and feel free to put me back in my box

When the 2 clubs have played away ( not many I know ) at the same time am I right in saying Port had the delay or has it been shared about?

 

[Mad Dog]

Your not that naive are you ?......what would you expect a "local" community Television station to come out and say ...what with all the radio you'd be getting on the subject.

And you come in hook, line, and sinker

your condescending attitude doesn't really add anything. I'm not really sure why you choose to vilify Adelaide and it's worldliness (or lack of) as a basis for your argument.

 

[Mad Dog]

Just further and feel free to put me back in my box

When the 2 clubs have played away ( not many I know ) at the same time am I right in saying Port had the delay or has it been shared about?

I think Port Power has had a couple of games delayed because of programming clashes....but I can't remember any for us.

...and BTW....I'm fine with that.........if there are other simulataneous commitments....sure we need to be flexible because delayed coverage is better than non at all.

The point here is why are we sitting around until 8.30 waiting for a football game to be televised that is being played 800 to 3000 kms away for no reason other than because "that's what happens in Melbourne".......

 

[NikkiNoo]

the comparision to games being delayed in melbourne that have previously not been here - if we are talking about the Frdiay night games as the example, they have been delayed on TV in Melbourne as they were actually played in Melbourne. People could attend them and they were not live against the gate to try and increase attendance at those matches. If a Friday night game was scheduled elsewhere in the country then it was scheduled by the AFL so that it could be shown live into melbourne at their 8.30am slot. Note the Essendon game last year WW. 8.10 start time here so it was an 8.40 starting time in Melbourne which gave Channel 9 their 10 mins for talk before the game.

 

[portentous]

What irks me is that Friday nights are hardly high quality TV ATM. It makes more sense to show the footy from 7.30 than some of the other rubbish that's on.

Also Wayne, why do you think that more Collingwood and Essendon games are shown in Melbourne? It's because that is what the Victorian market wants. In SA, the market wants Adelaide and Port games. It helps ratings, which boosts income from advertising -which is the bottom line so far as the TV stations and AFL are concerned.

I'm sure the Western Australians much prefer to watch West Coast and Freo than the Kangaroos and Geelong too. It may be a national competition but that does not mean that each state has the same demographic of club support.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Your not that naive are you ?......what would you expect a "local" community Television station to come out and say ...what with all the radio you'd be getting on the subject.

And you come in hook, line, and sinker

I have the feeling you have been over the border too long and it's starting to show.