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Yeah because he’s a ******* media darling, probably deserves 4 which is still good but it’s ridiculous the hype for him at this point.
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The funniest thing is that the best year West Coast has had since Nik Nat got drafted was in 2018 when they won the premiership while he wasn't playing lol
Max won the AFLCA player of the year that year too.......
Probably not at 100% after he had just come of one of the greatest games ever by a ruckman, with a clear BOG 5 goal haul in the preliminary final.
Just had a look, NikNat kicked 3 for the whole year
No reason to believe that the levels between the state comps at the time were that different.
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Nowhere near it.
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The funniest thing is that the best year West Coast has had since Nik Nat got drafted was in 2018 when they won the premiership while he wasn't playing lol
Max won the AFLCA player of the year that year too.......
Probably not at 100% after he had just come of one of the greatest games ever by a ruckman, with a clear BOG 5 goal haul in the preliminary final.
Just had a look, NikNat kicked 3 for the whole year
Naitanui was a huge reason we made that GF in the first place, why does he destroy Gawn every time they play each other?
Based on what? He's never been a high TOG ruckman which is IMO a massive mark against him. He's never really been that dangerous if he were rested forward, even though his physical assets should make him an impossible match up. He does some really flashy things, some that are great but he doesn't do them consistently through the game. Nic Nat is probably the most explosive ruckman ever, he is insanely physically gifted but outside of bashing and crashing his way through a clearance (which is great to watch) if he doesn't win the tap he offers very little else around the ground. If he had a great tank or maybe better footy IQ he would be in the discussion but unfortunately he doesn't.
You really want to talk about media darlings when you have been talking about Nic Nat? I live in Perth, the guy is everywhere, if he does a s**t the paper reports on it. He's one of the most overrated players in WA for a long while.
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I love how you're refusing to mention that he kicked 5 goals in the PF, 4 of which came within about 10 minutes. Nic Nat could play a million games and he wouldn't be able to achieve that.
West Coast supporters can be so one-eyed sometimes.
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Based on him being the best clearance ruckman of all time?
That “poor tank” and “Low footy IQ” led to having about 2 less effective disposals a game than Gawn in 20/21.
Meanwhile he was getting more clearances, more tackles and more hit outs to advantage, score involvements similar despite being in a worse team.
How is that offering very little else around the ground? Those 2 effective possessions the difference between a goat and a highlight reel apparently.
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Naitanui was overrated early on and it completely swung the other way after his first injury.
Gawn has been overrated for years.
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Sorry I got you confused with Shueygod, who seems completely obsessed with the Gawn/Nic Nat debate.
But anyway, Gawn's a champ. Nic Nat is good too but I know who I'd prefer.
I will admit, even knowing what we do now, I'm not sure if I would draft Gawn before Nic Nat. I think he offers a bit more versatility than Gawn and I've always wondered if a position change may have been better for him, especially given that the eagles have always had pretty decent ruck stocks.
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He didn't play the last 6 games or finals
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story
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Over rated players arn't 6 time AA's who have won the AFLCA award
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You're right, didn't even need h to wipe the floor with Melbourne in the 2018 prelim.He didn't play the last 6 games or finals
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story
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How'd Gawn go that day?
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At least Gawn is capable of getting more than 5 possessions in a GF.
Cool.
He also got kicked out of the ruck for Luke Jackson in said grand final, because he was sucking.
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How was Gawnys efficiency in the GF? Reckon he probably hit more bulldog chests than Melbourne ones that day.
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From memory his hit outs to advantage was around 50% But he also got over 20 disposals, took 5 marks and kicked a very nice goal that was taken off him.
Nic Nat, on the other hand, was virtually non-existent in the one GF he played.
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Lmao Naitanui has played 32 more games over his career and has four less All-Australians, while averaging less disposals, less than half the marks, half the contested marks, significantly less hitouts and the same amount of goals.
But but, Nic is the king of one-percenters! (he averages less of those too).
One is a premiership captain, AFLCA player of the year and elite endurance athlete. One can play around half a game before collapsing.
Naitanui's a nice guy and a good ambassador for the sport, but don't pretend that he's in the same league as Gawn.
But but, Nic is the king of one-percenters! (he averages less of those too).
One is a premiership captain, AFLCA player of the year and elite endurance athlete. One can play around half a game before collapsing.
Naitanui's a nice guy and a good ambassador for the sport, but don't pretend that he's in the same league as Gawn.
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Lol, in what world is Naitanui more versatile? You can't play guys that big that are unable to mark the ball in any other position.
Gawn's one of the best contested marks of all time, and can play all over the ground (a testament to not only his ability, but his endurance).
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So he gets 2 less effective possessions, less marks, far more clearances, likely a similar number of hit outs to advantage and more tackles over their careers.
Gawn also has more flangers and turnovers.
Statistically it’s actually pretty even, guess it depends on if you want a few more marks and touches a game or one of the best clearance players in the comp.
Kind of like comparing Oliver and peak Andrew Gaff, I know who I’m taking between those two.
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You can’t play all over the ground when you spray kicks left and right, the only players who actually get away with that at AFL level are full backs and inside mids.
