Toast Ruggles delisted

Discussion in 'Geelong - Total Footy' started by K rock Football, Apr 6, 2016.

Put it out there
  1. catswhiskers

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    Ruggles performed well above expectations last year. Like a number of other players he has things to work on. Now a weakness at AFL is identified his preseason can be tailored better.

    Last year must seem a bit like a blur to him. He seems tho to be the type who won't let this hard won opportunity slip.

    Hopefully you you will be able to change that unkind nickname to something more positive next year.
     
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    Ruggles has his shockers for sure - but what first year player hasn't - and im pretty sure PFD, Sel and Jimmy has some head in hands moments last year too.

    It happens. Ruggles had more - yes - but for a bloke that this time last year was on no list of note and his biggest decision was how to phrase his text to Wells for list consideration, Id say he did pretty well.

    Now, year two I'd expect more improvement with fitness and results, but id also give him the time to do it.

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    So he was delisted cos he was the only small defender out of contract. But dont we still have two free list spots?

    You would of thought with injuries forcing us to play multiple rookies in the same games last year we may of been willing to improve our depth and he was more then capable of playing afl level. IS our salary cap now really that tight?
     
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    I've had suspicion for a while that they've been trying to front-end deals with an eye on FA... but maybe Guthrie and Blicz are just making bank, it wouldn't surprise me too much.
     
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    I hope not... Their recent performance does not warrant it.
     
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    I think Zuthrie sealed his fate. 6 years younger, a bit better disposal, not as strong physically yet, but seemed well assured with ball in hand for a rookie.
    And put his head over it when needed to.

    I liked the underdog story of Ruggles and he did some good things - but I just think he didnt do enough regularly and then got the rough end of the timing pineapple with his injuries.

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    One thing I would guarantee is that they're being paid an amount that would outrage more than a few on this board. Plenty wouldn't even be happy to see them on even the "average" (mean) AFL player salary of 300k/year.
     
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    Yep I loved what Ruggles has achieved in his time, but the unfortunant timing of his injury and the emergence of Zuthrie and co just meant that they could no longer have him on the list.

    I’m still surprised that there wasn’t any other club interested in him tbh
     

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    still doesnt explain why we arent using him as depth on minimum wage on one of our two free list spots. he played 18 games in his first season and some pretty decent games too. played the first four games this year and was plagued by injuries for the rest of the year. Sure he was never going to be a great player but he was a capable plug, much like josh hunt.

    we lost mackie who was often used as a small defender. We basically have only touhy and Bews as smalls in the starting 22. zuthrie is still a rookie and probably a couple of years away. Big question marks on Thurlow right now after an incredibly ordinary comeback season. cam guthrie had a stinker in defence in the first half of the season and looks far better in a defensive mid role. Our small defender depth isnt that great. one or two go down and we will be scratching out heads as to why we didnt keep Ruggles in one of those two free list spots.
     
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    Zuthrie's definitely one piece of the puzzle but there were others too. When Ruggles played his last game Stewart was a 4-gamer who nobody was sure about yet and Bews was playing as a small forward in the VFL. So that's 2 guys who were unknown quantities who are now locks in the defense. Also Scott Selwood was still perennially injured meaning Cam Guthrie was needed through midfield a lot more.

    If you just name the guys who are definitely better in that small/medium defender category you've got Tuohy, Stewart, Bews, C Guthrie and Kolodjashnij. Then you've got Thurlow and Zuthrie who are comparable at the moment and have much higher potential. So yes he was very unlucky that a lot of guys shot past him in quick time but looking at our list it's hard to justify keeping a depth player in an area where we've got plenty of depth. If he had exactly the same level of talent but was a key forward he probably would've got a 2-year contract.
     
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    It doesn't work like that. Our 2 "free" list spots are replaced by 2 extra rookie spots (38 on the senior list plus 6 on the rookie list). To keep him would've meant somebody on our main list or rookie list wouldn't be there. You can argue we should've kept him ahead of someone else but it's not just a case of putting him on the list and that's it.
     
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    I'd have rookied him over Hayball but none of the other rookies. They must see something in him and must think Ruggles has peaked.
     
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    We dont have 2 free spots we have a full list of 44 + oconnor.

    We only took in 4 nd + 1 new rookie as we had very few players ooc to cut if more fringe players were OOC we would have kept Ruggles but he was OOC at the wrong time.
     
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    thanks for clarifying that i wasnt aware.
     
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    Thread should be stopped or renamed?
     
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    The thread on cat scan with his player profile has been updated but yeah we can change the title here too.

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    I hope Ruggles works hard and a club picks him up next year, he’s still young enough to come back from this.
     
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    Is he staying on our VFL list?
     
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    What a shame, he was ok.
     
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    While the decision itself isn't terrible. It's a terrible decision to delist him with Aaron Black still on the list. Defender/Forward whatever don't care. Ruggles imo wasn't going to make it but showed something. Aaron Black and others are like Sam Blease all over again. Why are we delisting reserve players over token recruits that will be lucky to play an AFL game? Ruggles might actually be worth another 5 games in his career unlike these token players we keep recruiting.
     
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