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Just a few drunken thoughts.

Firstly with the 104 players that don't find themselves on lists.

Perhaps once we finish the national and pre season draft we have a rookie draft for all these players.

These players don't come under your salery cap. Following a year on your list you either have to promote them or they leave and become available via the national draft, PSD etc.

Because their not in your cap you are not aloud to trade them at years end, you either elevate them or give them the boot.

This idea may be stupid it probably is but how about a marquee player type of situation.
I know you want to keep the game as realistic to AFL as possible but this would just allow every club to either keep that superstar or potentially recruit one.
 

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Actually Roy both good suggestions ! I do a lot of good thinking with a few beers under my belt (the mrs may beg to differ:D).

The "leftover" players, I like the idea of an academy and maybe an academy draft ??? They can't have played more then say 15 games, they can't be used during the year, but you have first dibs on them at draft time but use a draft pick similar to a rookie upgrade !!

If a draft would take too long what about an allocation based on their draft position (ND priority, then PSD, then RD, then those already on AFL lists but not taken up in this game) in reverse ladder order ??

Also like the idea of marquee player(s) similar to stalwartifying but no restriction on years of service or salary level. But only one marquee allowed and he must remain marquee for 2 seasons ?? Marquee salary only counted as 50%.

Just a brainstorm will not be offended if you call it all rubbish.

Cheers only 20 something days to go
 
I don't mind that allocation idea. A bit like zoning. Lol.

Could work in some way to correlate to the father son (eg, I have Essendon) so you'd pick up the players that your club has (i might get 3 players, another person might get 6). Don't know if that's the fairest way, but just an idea.
 
Just had a new idea.

What if there was a 1 week window during NAB Cup next year to do smaller trades? Eg, no draft picks, and only player trades that equaled the same value (or very small % difference). Could be good for young guns to get a move or get rid of an oldie?

Might just free up someone for the season afterwards if that's the direction they were taking
 
Voting time - all coaches please vote. I'll use this as the reconfirmation thread too. Where there are multiple options, please post your full preference list.

Rule 1 - PSD/Rookie draft timing
A: No change, both drafts straight after the ND
B: PSD stays straight after the ND, rookie draft moves to post NAB Cup
C: PSD and rookie drafts both post NAB Cup
D: Two sets of each draft. If you pass and keep a clear spot in the December drafts you get a replacement pick in the March drafts

Rule 2 - amnesty for new coaches
E: One player's contract can be torn up whenever a new coach takes over
F: Players who are not eligible for the veterans list can be moved into those spots when a new coach takes over
G: No amnesty, you live with your predecessor's mistakes

Rule 3 - one off amnesty
All players can tear up one of their player's contracts during this off season.

Rule 4 - limit contracts of 30+ year olds to 2 years

Rule 5 - 75% delistment rule
H: 75% rule is available only for the final year of a contract
I: Limit 75% rule to one player per club per season
J: No 75% rule
K: Leave rule as is

Rule 6 - force delisting and immediate payout of players not on AFL lists
After the AFL rookie draft, all players not on AFL lists must be paid out immediately and in full. Firesales if that puts you over the cap, and to make that work it would mean mandating that all clubs leaving room for a certain number of rookie picks (this money could be spent instead on taking experienced players in the ND/PSD). This is only for coaches who offered the contract and are still in charge. The idea of this is to a) discourage stupid contracts, b) reduce the number of unused AFL players, and c) keep lists more competitive so teams at least have 38 players who have a chance of being picked every week

Rule 7 - introduction of academy lists
Any AFL-listed players undrafted after our final rookie pick is taken go onto an academy list. Players on this list cannot play during the season, but will be tied to that club in the next offseason, where they can be either promoted or delisted and returned to the draft pool.

Rule 8 - creation of academy lists
L: Draft
M: Allocation based on F/S alignments (different clubs will get different numbers of players)
N: Automatically allocate based on draft order and whatever formula I come up with (i.e. draft where everyone gets autopicked)

Rule 9 - promotion of academy players
O: Free promotion on minimum contract
P: Promotion as if player was a rookie i.e. can offer a rookie deal and others can outbid you, or can offer the cheapish promoted rookie deal which can't be outbid.
Q: Promotion as per father/son players - contract is pre-determined, takes a draft pick to get them, each opponents can have one shot at getting them, you only have to get within one round of the bid to get them.

Rule 10 - abolishment of veterans list
AFL have now abolished the 'list' for the veterans, so instead of it being a choice between veterans and rookies, it's now between veterans and senior-listed players. Do we follow that?

Rule 11 - veteran/stalwart criteria
AFL have now removed the age criteria from the veterans list, which makes it basically now the same as our stalwarts (as 10 years experience = 28 years old for a bottom-age draftee). We've also now been running for 9 years so we're at the point where we can start to consider following the AFL rule length of service rule, or getting closer to it.

So,
Part 1 - do we make the veterans/stalwarts eligibility criteria the same, with the first two free and the next two on the fixed salaries?
Part 2 - how many years do we want in that criteria - 5 (current rule), 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 (AFL rule)?
 
Just confirming I'll be go around again next year. Will have a think about the rule changes before I vote.
 
My thoughts.

Rule 1 - PSD/Rookie draft timing
A: No change, both drafts straight after the ND

I like that you don't know exactly what you're getting in all drafts. Having it after NAB draft takes out a bit of the skill in trying to pick a good player.

Rule 2 - amnesty for new coaches
E: One player's contract can be torn up whenever a new coach takes over

I'm not 100% sold on this one but I sure know I would like to have amnestied a player who is on a ridiculously high contract when I started this game last year.

Rule 3 - one off amnesty
All players can tear up one of their player's contracts during this off season.

Depends on Rule 2. If you bring in rule 2 I think you have to allow a one off option for teams to amnesty a player in this off-season only.

Rule 4 - limit contracts of 30+ year olds to 2 years
No. If you offer a large contract to a player and they retire then you have to live with the consequences. It may get you that player on your team list for a year or two by offering them a long term contract but then after that they are a bit of dead weight.


Rule 5 - 75% delistment rule
J: No 75% rule
K: Leave rule as is

Either keep it as it is or remove it completely.

Rule 6 - force delisting and immediate payout of players not on AFL lists
After the AFL rookie draft, all players not on AFL lists must be paid out immediately and in full. Firesales if that puts you over the cap, and to make that work it would mean mandating that all clubs leaving room for a certain number of rookie picks (this money could be spent instead on taking experienced players in the ND/PSD). This is only for coaches who offered the contract and are still in charge. The idea of this is to a) discourage stupid contracts, b) reduce the number of unused AFL players, and c) keep lists more competitive so teams at least have 38 players who have a chance of being picked every week

Not too bothered either way on this one. It's an interesting idea.

Rule 7 - introduction of academy lists
Any AFL-listed players undrafted after our final rookie pick is taken go onto an academy list. Players on this list cannot play during the season, but will be tied to that club in the next offseason, where they can be either promoted or delisted and returned to the draft pool.

I like it.

Rule 8 - creation of academy lists
L: Draft


Rule 9 - promotion of academy players
P: Promotion as if player was a rookie i.e. can offer a rookie deal and others can outbid you, or can offer the cheapish promoted rookie deal which can't be outbid.

Rule 10 - abolishment of veterans list
AFL have now abolished the 'list' for the veterans, so instead of it being a choice between veterans and rookies, it's now between veterans and senior-listed players. Do we follow that?

Yes.

Rule 11 - veteran/stalwart criteria
AFL have now removed the age criteria from the veterans list, which makes it basically now the same as our stalwarts (as 10 years experience = 28 years old for a bottom-age draftee). We've also now been running for 9 years so we're at the point where we can start to consider following the AFL rule length of service rule, or getting closer to it.

So,
Part 1 - do we make the veterans/stalwarts eligibility criteria the same, with the first two free and the next two on the fixed salaries?
Not 100% sure what the question is asking. Keeping the same Veteran/Stalwart criteria or something else?

Part 2 - how many years do we want in that criteria - 5 (current rule), 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 (AFL rule)?[/quote]
I think 5 years but with minimum age of 28 is ok. Alternatively, maybe a straight up 7 years on list.
 
Rule 1 - PSD/Rookie draft timing
A: No change, both drafts straight after the ND
B: PSD stays straight after the ND, rookie draft moves to post NAB Cup
C: PSD and rookie drafts both post NAB Cup
D: Two sets of each draft. If you pass and keep a clear spot in the December drafts you get a replacement pick in the March drafts

A- No change. Makes it more interesting and more of a challenge to pick the best players.

Rule 2 - amnesty for new coaches
E: One player's contract can be torn up whenever a new coach takes over
F: Players who are not eligible for the veterans list can be moved into those spots when a new coach takes over
G: No amnesty, you live with your predecessor's mistakes
No AFL coach gets an amnesty like this when walking into a rabble so why should we?

Rule 3 - one off amnesty
All players can tear up one of their player's contracts during this off season.

I like this as a blanket rule. Unfair for just new coaches to get it but fair for everyone to get it.

Rule 4 - limit contracts of 30+ year olds to 2 years
Don't mind the idea but would vote against it as it keeps the realism and challenge in the game.

Rule 5 - 75% delistment rule
H: 75% rule is available only for the final year of a contract
I: Limit 75% rule to one player per club per season
J: No 75% rule
K: Leave rule as is

Rule 6 - force delisting and immediate payout of players not on AFL lists
After the AFL rookie draft, all players not on AFL lists must be paid out immediately and in full. Firesales if that puts you over the cap, and to make that work it would mean mandating that all clubs leaving room for a certain number of rookie picks (this money could be spent instead on taking experienced players in the ND/PSD). This is only for coaches who offered the contract and are still in charge. The idea of this is to a) discourage stupid contracts, b) reduce the number of unused AFL players, and c) keep lists more competitive so teams at least have 38 players who have a chance of being picked every week

I like this but the firesale seems like too harsh a punishment. Could work if an amnesty is introduced.

Rule 7 - introduction of academy lists
Any AFL-listed players undrafted after our final rookie pick is taken go onto an academy list. Players on this list cannot play during the season, but will be tied to that club in the next offseason, where they can be either promoted or delisted and returned to the draft pool.

Like this idea.

Rule 8 - creation of academy lists
L: Draft
M: Allocation based on F/S alignments (different clubs will get different numbers of players)
N: Automatically allocate based on draft order and whatever formula I come up with (i.e. draft where everyone gets autopicked)

Has to be random allocation becaudse gun academy players come from everywhere and you can't just pick up the next gun from Penrith because he would be zoned to another club already, but for the sake of fairness it should be random so each club should get the same amount of academy players.



Rule 9 - promotion of academy players
O: Free promotion on minimum contract
P: Promotion as if player was a rookie i.e. can offer a rookie deal and others can outbid you, or can offer the cheapish promoted rookie deal which can't be outbid.
Q: Promotion as per father/son players - contract is pre-determined, takes a draft pick to get them, each opponents can have one shot at getting them, you only have to get within one round of the bid to get them.

Rule 10 - abolishment of veterans list
AFL have now abolished the 'list' for the veterans, so instead of it being a choice between veterans and rookies, it's now between veterans and senior-listed players. Do we follow that?

Follow the AFL.

Rule 11 - veteran/stalwart criteria
AFL have now removed the age criteria from the veterans list, which makes it basically now the same as our stalwarts (as 10 years experience = 28 years old for a bottom-age draftee). We've also now been running for 9 years so we're at the point where we can start to consider following the AFL rule length of service rule, or getting closer to it.

So,
Part 1 - do we make the veterans/stalwarts eligibility criteria the same, with the first two free and the next two on the fixed salaries? Yes make them the same
Part 2 - how many years do we want in that criteria - 5 (current rule), 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 (AFL rule)?
5 is fine IMO.
 
Rule 1 - PSD/Rookie draft timing
A: No change, both drafts straight after the ND
B: PSD stays straight after the ND, rookie draft moves to post NAB Cup
C: PSD and rookie drafts both post NAB Cup
D: Two sets of each draft. If you pass and keep a clear spot in the December drafts you get a replacement pick in the March drafts

A: No change, both drafts straight after the ND. Other preferences B, C and then D.

Makes it too easy if you can wait until after the NAB Cup. Drafting is supposed to be very hit and miss.

Rule 2 - amnesty for new coaches
E: One player's contract can be torn up whenever a new coach takes over
F: Players who are not eligible for the veterans list can be moved into those spots when a new coach takes over
G: No amnesty, you live with your predecessor's mistakes

E: One player's contract can be torn up whenever a new coach takes over. Other preferences G then F.

Need this rule to combat previous coaches stupidity. I don't understand F. Does it mean that any player over 28 or 30 or whatever the age is can be automatically made a veteran? If so, I'm very against this rule.

Rule 3 - one off amnesty
All players can tear up one of their player's contracts during this off season.

If rule 2 is implemented then yes.

Rule 4 - limit contracts of 30+ year olds to 2 years

Yes.

Rule 5 - 75% delistment rule
H: 75% rule is available only for the final year of a contract
I: Limit 75% rule to one player per club per season
J: No 75% rule
K: Leave rule as is

K: Leave rule as is. Other preferences I, H then J. I'd really like it as it is though.

Rule 6 - force delisting and immediate payout of players not on AFL lists
After the AFL rookie draft, all players not on AFL lists must be paid out immediately and in full. Firesales if that puts you over the cap, and to make that work it would mean mandating that all clubs leaving room for a certain number of rookie picks (this money could be spent instead on taking experienced players in the ND/PSD). This is only for coaches who offered the contract and are still in charge. The idea of this is to a) discourage stupid contracts, b) reduce the number of unused AFL players, and c) keep lists more competitive so teams at least have 38 players who have a chance of being picked every week

Disagree. I like the fact that you can take a risk on a player who might be delisted get picked up and turn their career around. It wouldn't be feasible to do this if it meant that you would go over the cap if they didn't make it. Is there even that many players on lists who have been delisted?

Rule 7 - introduction of academy lists
Any AFL-listed players undrafted after our final rookie pick is taken go onto an academy list. Players on this list cannot play during the season, but will be tied to that club in the next offseason, where they can be either promoted or delisted and returned to the draft pool.

Don't think there is a real need to do this. Just let them be free for all in the next year's draft.

Rule 8 - creation of academy lists
L: Draft
M: Allocation based on F/S alignments (different clubs will get different numbers of players)
N: Automatically allocate based on draft order and whatever formula I come up with (i.e. draft where everyone gets autopicked)

If it had to be brought in L, N then M.

Rule 9 - promotion of academy players
O: Free promotion on minimum contract
P: Promotion as if player was a rookie i.e. can offer a rookie deal and others can outbid you, or can offer the cheapish promoted rookie deal which can't be outbid.
Q: Promotion as per father/son players - contract is pre-determined, takes a draft pick to get them, each opponents can have one shot at getting them, you only have to get within one round of the bid to get them.

Don't really like any of these ideas. Could be a contract based on their output in the season. Preference Q, P then O.

Rule 10 - abolishment of veterans list
AFL have now abolished the 'list' for the veterans, so instead of it being a choice between veterans and rookies, it's now between veterans and senior-listed players. Do we follow that?

Yes we should be like the AFL in this situation.

Rule 11 - veteran/stalwart criteria
AFL have now removed the age criteria from the veterans list, which makes it basically now the same as our stalwarts (as 10 years experience = 28 years old for a bottom-age draftee). We've also now been running for 9 years so we're at the point where we can start to consider following the AFL rule length of service rule, or getting closer to it.

So,
Part 1 - do we make the veterans/stalwarts eligibility criteria the same, with the first two free and the next two on the fixed salaries?

Yes just follow the AFL on this one too.

Part 2 - how many years do we want in that criteria - 5 (current rule), 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 (AFL rule)?

I think five is more feasible as players rarely stay around for even that long in this game. Wouldn't be against a slight increase though as I've got a few who I've had for a while. :p
 

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fightingfury_88 said:
Rule 11 - veteran/stalwart criteria
AFL have now removed the age criteria from the veterans list, which makes it basically now the same as our stalwarts (as 10 years experience = 28 years old for a bottom-age draftee). We've also now been running for 9 years so we're at the point where we can start to consider following the AFL rule length of service rule, or getting closer to it.

So,
Part 1 - do we make the veterans/stalwarts eligibility criteria the same, with the first two free and the next two on the fixed salaries?
Not 100% sure what the question is asking. Keeping the same Veteran/Stalwart criteria or something else?
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The change would be we get rid of stalwarts and use that criteria for veterans. First two veterans would be free, third would cost the same as what is currently a first stalwart, and fourth would cost the same as a second stalwart.
loopy_cam said:
Rule 6 - force delisting and immediate payout of players not on AFL lists
After the AFL rookie draft, all players not on AFL lists must be paid out immediately and in full. Firesales if that puts you over the cap, and to make that work it would mean mandating that all clubs leaving room for a certain number of rookie picks (this money could be spent instead on taking experienced players in the ND/PSD). This is only for coaches who offered the contract and are still in charge. The idea of this is to a) discourage stupid contracts, b) reduce the number of unused AFL players, and c) keep lists more competitive so teams at least have 38 players who have a chance of being picked every week

Disagree. I like the fact that you can take a risk on a player who might be delisted get picked up and turn their career around. It wouldn't be feasible to do this if it meant that you would go over the cap if they didn't make it. Is there even that many players on lists who have been delisted?
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54 players this year, 24 of them are still contracted for next year
 
I'm in again will respond to all questions later but just on the veterans and stalwart rule hasn't the AFL also made lists 40 for next year ?
 
Rule 1 - PSD/Rookie draft timing
A: No change, both drafts straight after the ND. Don't like any other option at all but B, C, D in order of least disliked to most disliked.
B: PSD stays straight after the ND, rookie draft moves to post NAB Cup
C: PSD and rookie drafts both post NAB Cup
D: Two sets of each draft. If you pass and keep a clear spot in the December drafts you get a replacement pick in the March drafts

Rule 2 - amnesty for new coaches
E: One player's contract can be torn up whenever a new coach takes over. F, G after that I guess.
F: Players who are not eligible for the veterans list can be moved into those spots when a new coach takes over
G: No amnesty, you live with your predecessor's mistakes

Rule 3 - one off amnesty
All players can tear up one of their player's contracts during this off season.
Not against it, but not for it either. Happy to go with majority. If option E is in then maybe yes.

Rule 4 - limit contracts of 30+ year olds to 2 years No

Rule 5 - 75% delistment rule
H: 75% rule is available only for the final year of a contract
I: Limit 75% rule to one player per club per season
J: No 75% rule
K: Leave rule as is. Otherwise I, H, J

Rule 6 - force delisting and immediate payout of players not on AFL lists
After the AFL rookie draft, all players not on AFL lists must be paid out immediately and in full. Firesales if that puts you over the cap, and to make that work it would mean mandating that all clubs leaving room for a certain number of rookie picks (this money could be spent instead on taking experienced players in the ND/PSD). This is only for coaches who offered the contract and are still in charge. The idea of this is to a) discourage stupid contracts, b) reduce the number of unused AFL players, and c) keep lists more competitive so teams at least have 38 players who have a chance of being picked every week
Nah. I've had delisted players on my list most seasons and managed to work around it pretty well. No need to change anything in my opinion. I've even traded them in and out in the off season. Leave it as an option.

Rule 7 - introduction of academy lists
Any AFL-listed players undrafted after our final rookie pick is taken go onto an academy list. Players on this list cannot play during the season, but will be tied to that club in the next offseason, where they can be either promoted or delisted and returned to the draft pool.
Yes

Rule 8 - creation of academy lists
L: Draft, but if that's too difficult/time consuming I don't mind option "M".
M: Allocation based on F/S alignments (different clubs will get different numbers of players)
N: Automatically allocate based on draft order and whatever formula I come up with (i.e. draft where everyone gets autopicked)

Rule 9 - promotion of academy players
O: Free promotion on minimum contract
P: Promotion as if player was a rookie i.e. can offer a rookie deal and others can outbid you, or can offer the cheapish promoted rookie deal which can't be outbid. No, you took the punt on them 1 year earlier. They're yours if you want them otherwise they'd might as well be free agents
Q: Promotion as per father/son players - contract is pre-determined, takes a draft pick to get them, each opponents can have one shot at getting them, you only have to get within one round of the bid to get them. Same as above

Preference order: O, daylight, P, Q

Rule 10 - abolishment of veterans list
AFL have now abolished the 'list' for the veterans, so instead of it being a choice between veterans and rookies, it's now between veterans and senior-listed players. Do we follow that?
OK as it is but not too fussed. No, just

Rule 11 - veteran/stalwart criteria
AFL have now removed the age criteria from the veterans list, which makes it basically now the same as our stalwarts (as 10 years experience = 28 years old for a bottom-age draftee). We've also now been running for 9 years so we're at the point where we can start to consider following the AFL rule length of service rule, or getting closer to it.

So,
Part 1 - do we make the veterans/stalwarts eligibility criteria the same, with the first two free and the next two on the fixed salaries? Probably prefer the stalwart/veteran distinction but don't mind if it's all veterans at 28 if that's what others prefer.
Part 2 - how many years do we want in that criteria - 5 (current rule), 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 (AFL rule)? More players change teams in this than in the AFL so, especially when new coaches take over and want to make the team their own or go for a new strategy, so 5 years is a long time for a player to stay at one club. Plus, they still have to meet the minimum age and there's a limit to how many you can have so it's all good
 
I'm certainly going around again, enjoyed my first season.

I'm happy to go with the flow generally when it comes to the rules but i really do like the amnesty idea. But i personally would go with the idea of your only aloud to amnesty 1 contract, which you in fact didn't sign. So lets say someone has been in the game for 2 years but still has a ridiculous contract on hes books he can't get rid of which was signed off on prior to your entry into the game. He then has the option of scraping that contract.

I do like the like the idea of keeping some sort of draft for the time between the NAB cup and round 1, it just means the likelihood of players who will be playing games will be on lists.

In terms of veteran status etc i'm more then happy to go with the status quot don't really have an informed opinion on how to best situate that rule.
 
Rule 1 - PSD/Rookie draft timing
A: No change, both drafts straight after the ND
B: PSD stays straight after the ND, rookie draft moves to post NAB Cup
C: PSD and rookie drafts both post NAB Cup
D: Two sets of each draft. If you pass and keep a clear spot in the December drafts you get a replacement pick in the March drafts

I'm going to go with B. I think it'll allow all of us to have a look at some of those that the AFL clubs looked at with their PSD and Rookie picks during the NAB Cup. Other preferences in order, A, C then D.

Rule 2 - amnesty for new coaches
E: One player's contract can be torn up whenever a new coach takes over
F: Players who are not eligible for the veterans list can be moved into those spots when a new coach takes over
G: No amnesty, you live with your predecessor's mistakes

G for me. Make it realistic, just need to enforce rules to prevent coaches screwing over the next coach. If not, I'd choose E then F.

Rule 3 - one off amnesty
All players can tear up one of their player's contracts during this off season.

Depends what happens with this player after? Do they become available to bid on or can coaches automatically put them on a new contract? I'll say no for now.

Rule 4 - limit contracts of 30+ year olds to 2 years

Great idea, all for this.

Rule 5 - 75% delistment rule
H: 75% rule is available only for the final year of a contract
I: Limit 75% rule to one player per club per season
J: No 75% rule
K: Leave rule as is

K, I, H then J.

Rule 6 - force delisting and immediate payout of players not on AFL lists
After the AFL rookie draft, all players not on AFL lists must be paid out immediately and in full. Firesales if that puts you over the cap, and to make that work it would mean mandating that all clubs leaving room for a certain number of rookie picks (this money could be spent instead on taking experienced players in the ND/PSD). This is only for coaches who offered the contract and are still in charge. The idea of this is to a) discourage stupid contracts, b) reduce the number of unused AFL players, and c) keep lists more competitive so teams at least have 38 players who have a chance of being picked every week

Good idea, but sometimes its out of the coaches hand. Not 100% sure at the moment, but I think we should try it for this off-season and see how it goes.

Rule 7 - introduction of academy lists
Any AFL-listed players undrafted after our final rookie pick is taken go onto an academy list. Players on this list cannot play during the season, but will be tied to that club in the next offseason, where they can be either promoted or delisted and returned to the draft pool.

Pass on this one. These players we miss always get drafted the following year.

Rule 8 - creation of academy lists
L: Draft
M: Allocation based on F/S alignments (different clubs will get different numbers of players)
N: Automatically allocate based on draft order and whatever formula I come up with (i.e. draft where everyone gets autopicked)

If we do introduce I think a random Draft (L) would be best. Otherwise, N then M. But I'm against this Academy list.

Rule 9 - promotion of academy players
O: Free promotion on minimum contract
P: Promotion as if player was a rookie i.e. can offer a rookie deal and others can outbid you, or can offer the cheapish promoted rookie deal which can't be outbid.
Q: Promotion as per father/son players - contract is pre-determined, takes a draft pick to get them, each opponents can have one shot at getting them, you only have to get within one round of the bid to get them.

I'd say Q. It shouldn't be guaranteed from the Academy list. P then O. But once again, I think these players that don't get picked in the real drafts, can wait til the following year.

Rule 10 - abolishment of veterans list
AFL have now abolished the 'list' for the veterans, so instead of it being a choice between veterans and rookies, it's now between veterans and senior-listed players. Do we follow that?

Yep. Not too fussed though.

Rule 11 - veteran/stalwart criteria
AFL have now removed the age criteria from the veterans list, which makes it basically now the same as our stalwarts (as 10 years experience = 28 years old for a bottom-age draftee). We've also now been running for 9 years so we're at the point where we can start to consider following the AFL rule length of service rule, or getting closer to it.

So,
Part 1 - do we make the veterans/stalwarts eligibility criteria the same, with the first two free and the next two on the fixed salaries?

Not really sure what this means, but that sounds okay.

Part 2 - how many years do we want in that criteria - 5 (current rule), 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 (AFL rule)?

Current. Players get traded a lot in this, I doubt we'd see many players at the one club for more than 5 years often.
 
Keep getting script errors anyone know what that means ?

So, in order of preference;

1. A, D, B, C
2. G, F, E
3. Yes
4. Good idea
5. K, H, I, J
6. No - its a big enough penalty to be lumbered with a player not on an AFL list
7. Yes
8. N, L, M
9. O, Q, P
10. OK - but as I said earlier, won't AFL lists now be 40 ?
11. no freebies, but fixed salaries is fine, 5 years
 

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I would also like to see some kind of more concrete positional basis for selecting teams come in. I think that would make the game a lot more fair. By this I mean bringing in a rule that says each selected team must have at least two key forwards, two key backs, one or two small forwards, one or two small backs, one ruck or something along those lines. Of course by doing this we would need all players to have a set positional status. In my opinion, it should be done by everyone reviewing their own list and giving each player a positional status. This could be more than one position and could be any position that they have played AFL in during their career. For example someone like Michael Hurley could be key back and key forward. Someone like Stephen Milne would be only a small forward whereas someone like Chris Mayne could be small forward and key forward as he has the ability to play more of a marking role. Everyone could do this for every player on their list and then post it up. We could then review each coach's assessment of their list and bring up any differences of opinion we have to the positional status they've given their player. Then, in the situation that during the season a coach's stock of a certain position (eg. key forward) are all not playing, they could make an argument as to why they could play a different position player in that position (eg. Tayte Pears as a key forward). Then either Russian, or a vote by the other coaches would decide if that's allowed based on whether they think the player would be capable of playing that position and whether or not it's the coaches fault he's short on players because of lack of depth in that positional area. If it is found that it's allowed, he plays there. If not, he gets a zero.

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^ I do like the sound of that. Also creates more work for Russian though and be already does plenty. But I do like it, would make people more accountable for drafting and trading. An exception rule would be handy as say for example a team got injuries to all their tall forwards or something like that.
 
ShaunDuggan said:
^ I do like the sound of that. Also creates more work for Russian though and be already does plenty. But I do like it, would make people more accountable for drafting and trading. An exception rule would be handy as say for example a team got injuries to all their tall forwards or something like that.
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That's why I tried to make it more the coaches that do the work. In the above scenario:

- Coaches look at their own lists and decide on positional status.
- Coaches post there full list with positions.
- Coaches offer differences of opinion where they feel necessary.
- Russian has final say on positions that coaches have differences of opinion on.

Then, during the season when a position of a team is depleted:

- Coach creates a thread making an argument on why they should be able to play a certain player in the depleted position.
- Other coaches offer opinion.
- Russian makes final call.

So really Russian doesn't do too much more work.

Of course, the idea of positions has been brought up before and people didn't really like it. Just thought I'd bring it up for discussion.
 
I like this. Pretty much every week you see players named in unrealistic positions. It's not easy for Russian to police it so I think the idea of everyone submitting recommended positions for their own players and have others comment on it to get a realistic idea of where players can play is a good idea.
We'd still need some flexibility though, as we may find AFL players playing in positions other than what we've agreed on.
 
You could do it in the same way that we apply for delistments? Ie. in the list thread write 'apply for Tom Rockliff to be re-classified as a midfielder/small forward' and then Russian accepts or declines.
 

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