Rumour Thread

[Mark_K]

Im failing to see how Martin can be un upgrade on Dawes.

Chris had a bad year, but cmon.

 

[Old Spice]

Im failing to see how Martin can be un upgrade on Dawes.

Chris had a bad year, but cmon.

Both Martin and Dawes had down years, but if you compare Martin's best to Dawes' best, I think Martin is a better player plus more versatile for us.

 

[HFF]

Melbourne saying good progress on Dawes and Pies amenable. Don't know that Dees can use pick 20 they got from GWS as that deal is settled. Pick 2 is gone to Viney and pick 3 won't get it done.

Reading between the lines that may mean Martin and Gysberts style trade for Dawes. Or Wellingham and Dawes (maybe 18 + Martin) for pick 4.

Yeh I heard Tim Harrington too.

Sounds like we are keen to deal on Dawes and Dawesy by the sounds of it is open to moving to Dees.

However, I wouldn't trade him for 2 players in return.

Would have to involve pick 20 for mine.

Pick 20 and Gysberts is something I'd consider.

Oh and lol to all those that think Martin is an upgrade on Dawes. Melbourne would be laughing all the way to the bank if they replaced Martin with Dawes.

 

[Pendles!]

Hine says he wants to trade into the draft - interview posted on twitter

 

[danielnajdek]

Hine obviously rates this draft highly if he said that.

 

[blaze036]

Im failing to see how Martin can be un upgrade on Dawes.

Chris had a bad year, but cmon.

dawes also had a bad 2011, and an okay 2010... maybe his just not that good?

Also worth adding that in those years he was playing for the team that won the grand final or made it, so his delivery and the amount of delivery would be close to best in the league (if not the best)

 

[blaze036]

After playing against Gysberts for most of my juniors and watching him quite closely, he seems to be a ball magnet but lacks speed which is needed in our midfield.

you were playing against him yet most games you played him? Where there like 3 teams in your junior league?

 

[TradeDraft]

Hine on his Interview said we have 2 Players in Play and we got 1 with Lynch. So who is the 2nd?

 

[Old Spice]

Gysberts is probably a waste of cap space, but 18 for 20 plus Martin would be acceptable (if Melbourne could ontrade 20 - can someone clarify?)

On Martin, really disagree dt. Dawes was flattered by his team-mates, Martin the very opposite. Martin can take contested marks overhead in a pack situation at both ends of the ground. Martins best year in 2011 was better I think than Dawes in 2010 given the system they played in. Wouldn't say the difference is in the stratosphere, but for what both teams need, I think it works. If you fashion up a pick 18/20 swap with Martin included, I think that's a win.

 

[Dundalis]

Im failing to see how Martin can be un upgrade on Dawes.

Chris had a bad year, but cmon.

What has Dawes ever done? He's never kicked more than 30 goals as a key forward. There are midfielders that have kicked more goals. Dawes had a horrible year, but even his best year was average.

 

[RuFiO]

dawes also had a bad 2011, and an okay 2010... maybe his just not that good?

Also worth adding that in those years he was playing for the team that won the grand final or made it, so his delivery and the amount of delivery would be close to best in the league (if not the best)

He had a good starting month to 2011 though!
If he actually found that form again then we definitely shouldn't be trading him. But I guess that's the unknown.

 

[TradeDraft]

From Hawks Board:

Word out of Collingwood HQ is that Young is on the verge of signing (news from a friend that works there). Apparently HFC are happy for him to move on...

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/trading-drafting-and-all-that-jazz-part-ii.950881/page-15

 

[HFF]

He would be a very good replacement for Benny Johnson post 2013.

Johnson on one wing/flank and Young on the other in 2012 though creating plays with penetration sounds pretty good.

 

[Old Spice]

The thing is that Martin is 198 cms, a better ruck, more mobile, a utility who can follow his 2nd ruck opponent into defence and I think a better mark. Dawes is really just a strong bodied forward and that is probably what Melbourne want.

We have two strong bodied forwards in Cloke and Lynch. We need a more mobile utility who can complement Jolly.

 

[HFF]

The thing is that Martin is 198 cms, a better ruck, more mobile, a utility who can follow his 2nd ruck opponent into defence and I think a better mark. Dawes is really just a strong bodied forward and that is probably what Melbourne want.

We have two strong bodied forwards in Cloke and Lynch. We need a more mobile utility who can complement Jolly.

I think you will find that's what Lynch was bought in to do. Hine said as much in his interview on CTV today.

Martin is definitely more flexible than Dawes but I've never seen Martin really impact the scoreboard and create opposition headaches.

This is something Dawes has done and can do 2012 aside. Before going down injured early in 2011 Dawes' form was superior to Cloke (who eventually became the AA CHF).

Now, if the club is happy with Martin, I'll support them but by no means is he a better footballer than Dawes.

 

[Matz]

Hine on his Interview said we have 2 Players in Play and we got 1 with Lynch. So who is the 2nd?[/quote
can u post interview mate?

 

[Son of Skeletor]

Im failing to see how Martin can be un upgrade on Dawes.

Chris had a bad year, but cmon.

Martin can genuinely play in the ruck, Dawes can't.

I'll wager that the plan is to have Jolly play only 15/16 H&A games next year, save him for September. Lynch and Martin could split the ruck duties and remain competitive (unlike, say, Wood and Dawes). Martin could also still play a role 3-5 years from now.

This is all contingent on the assumption that Dawes has told the club that he wants to leave, rather than us actively seeking to trade him.

 

[orion21]

The thing is that Martin is 198 cms, a better ruck, more mobile, a utility who can follow his 2nd ruck opponent into defence and I think a better mark. Dawes is really just a strong bodied forward and that is probably what Melbourne want.

We have two strong bodied forwards in Cloke and Lynch. We need a more mobile utility who can complement Jolly.

In Lynch's interview, he said he chose us as we sold the idea of him being 2nd ruck/forward. I carnt see why Martin would be a replacement for Dawes. Having Cloke, Lynch(2nd ruck), Martin(ruck forward) wont work. We need a second forward to help Cloke. Not Three Ruckman and Cloke.

 

[DaVe86]

I'm sure Martin has a lot of traits Dawes doesn't.

However, at 25 years old he has played only 50 games and never cemented his spot in one of the worst lists in the comp.

Dawes at 24 broke into a strong Collingwood lineup, played in 2 GF's and a number of prelims. There is no doubt Dawes is still more valuable than Martin who is realistically still developing in his mid 20's.


I actually like Martin and think that at a good team he could prosper. I just don't see the logic in a straight swap with Dawes unless pick 20 is also coupled in. If it frees up salary cap space for a play on Young then I can also see the merit.

I trust Hine anyway to make the right call.

 

[Old Spice]

Martin can genuinely play in the ruck, Dawes can't.

I'll wager that the plan is to have Jolly play only 15/16 H&A games next year, save him for September. Lynch and Martin could split the ruck duties and remain competitive (unlike, say, Wood and Dawes). Martin could also still play a role 3-5 years from now.

This is all contingent on the assumption that Dawes has told the club that he wants to leave, rather than us actively seeking to trade him.

Give this man something from the top shelf.

If Jolly needs to rest next year - and he does, a la Ottens - we need players who can hold the fort when he's not playing. Lynch and Martin are a far superior combination imv than Wood and Dawes, Lynch and Dawes or Witts and Dawes.

 

[TradeDraft]

UPDATE: 9/10/12 – FREMANTLE’S Dylan Roberton is set to get picked up by Collingwood either as a trade or in the draft period.

Make that of what you Will

http://www.footballnation.com.au/af...ers-whos-set-to-join-your-club-in-trade-week/

 

[HFF]

Getting ridiculous now.

All this unoffifical sites must just be linking players to Pies in order to generate interest.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Make that of what you Will

http://www.footballnation.com.au/af...ers-whos-set-to-join-your-club-in-trade-week/

Site also stated Giles was set to sign with us. Not so sure how accurate this site is.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

SEN (I know, I know) saying Sharrod has joined the Eagles for #17.

 

[TradeDraft]

SEN (I know, I know) saying Sharrod has joined the Eagles for #17.

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