Rutten - All Australian??

[maccas_no1]

Ben Cousins won it in 2004, not 2005.

Wrong Chris Judd won the Brownlow in 2004

Run Along

 

[tribey]

Ben Cousins won it in 2004, not 2005.

No, Judd won in 04.

Cuz in [+].05

 

[Stiffy_18]

Ben Cousins won it in 2004, not 2005

WTF?!?!?!

Ben Cousins

Player Honours
Brownlow Medal 2005
Best and fairest 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005
2nd best and fairest 1998
3rd best and fairest 1999
All-Australian 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2005 (vice-captain)
International Rules Series 1999
AFLPA MVP 2005
AFL Rising Star 1996
Captain 2001-2005

http://westcoasteagles.com.au/default.asp?pg=players&spg=playerprofile&personid=13544

 

[just maybe]

Sunday, 16th April 2006
15 Melbourne 2.0 9.5 10.9 14.13 (97)
4 Adelaide 6.5 11.6 14.10 15.12 (102)
GOALS: Melbourne: Neitz 4, Bruce 3, Brown 2, Yze, Robertson, Johnstone, Miller, Davey
Adelaide: Burton 5, Bode 3, Ricciuto 3, Edwards 2, Skipworth, Hentschel
BEST: Melbourne: Bruce, McLean, Brown, Green, White, Rivers, Johnstone, Davey
Adelaide: Goodwin, Edwards, Johncock, Burton, McLeod, Doughty, Bode, Massie
Crowd: 8,258 at Carrara Oval

Awwwwwwwwwww wrong again

Yep, I made a mistake.

Compared to you claiming any defender that gives up 5 goals is rubbish and that Goodwin and Edwards don't play in the D50, it's minor!

 

[maccas_no1]

YEAR

MEDALLIST

CLUB

VOTES


1924 E "Carji" Greeves Geelong 7
1925 Colin Watson St. Kilda 9
1926 Ivor Warne Smith Melbourne 9
1927 Syd Coventry Collingwood 7
1928 Ivor Warne Smith Melbourne 8
1929 Albert Collier Collingwood 6
1930 Stan Judkins Richmond 4
Allan Hopkins Footscray 4
Harry Collier Collingwood 4
1931 Haydn Bunton Fitzroy 26
1932 Haydn Bunton Fitzroy 23
1933 Chicken Smallhorn Fitzroy 18
1934 **** Reynolds Essendon 19
1935 Haydn Bunton Fitzroy 24
1936 Dinny Ryan Fitzroy 26
1937 **** Reynolds Essendon 27
1938 **** Reynolds Essendon 18
1939 Marcus Whelan Collingwood 23
1940 Des Fothergill Collingwood 32
Herbie Matthews South Melbourne 32
1941 Norman Ware Footscray 23
1946 Don Cordner Melbourne 20
1947 Bert Deacon Carlton 20
1948 Bill Morris Richmond 24
1949 Ron Clegg South Melbourne 23
Col Austen Hawthorn 23
1950 Alan Ruthven Fitzroy 21
1951 Bernie Smith Geelong 23
1952 Roy Wright Richmond 21
Bill Hutchison Essendon 21
1953 Bill Hutchison Essendon 26
1954 Roy Wright Richmond 29
1955 Fred Goldsmith South Melbourne 21
1956 Peter Box Footscray 22
1957 Brian Gleeson St. Kilda 24
1958 Neil Roberts St. Kilda 20
1959 Bob Skilton South Melbourne 20
Verdun Howell St. Kilda 20
1960 John Schultz Footscray 20
1961 John James Carlton 21
1962 Alistair Lord Geelong 28
1963 Bob Skilton South Melbourne 20
1964 Gordon Collis Carlton 27
1965 Ian Stewart St. Kilda 20
Noel Teasdale Nth. Melbourne 20
1966 Ian Stewart St. Kilda 21
1967 Ross Smith St. Kilda 24
1968 Bob Skilton South Melbourne 24
1969 Kevin Murray Fitzroy 19
1970 Peter Bedford South Melbourne 25
1971 Ian Stewart Richmond 21
1972 Len Thompson Collingwood 25
1973 Keith Greig Nth. Melbourne 27
1974 Keith Greig Nth. Melbourne 27
1975 Gary Dempsey Footscray 20
1976 Graham Moss Essendon 48
1977 Graham Teasdale South Melbourne 59
1978 Malcolm Blight Nth. Melbourne 22
1979 Peter Moore Collingwood 22
1980 Kelvin Templeton Footscray 23
1981 Bernie Quinlan Fitzroy 22
Barry Round South Melbourne 22
1982 Brian Wilson Melbourne 23
1983 Ross Glendenning Nth. Melbourne 24
1984 Peter Moore Melbourne 24
1985 Brad Hardie Footscray 22
1986 Robert DiPierdomenico Hawthorn 17
Greg Williams Sydney 17
1987 Tony Lockett St. Kilda 20
John Platten Hawthorn 20
1988 Gerard Healy Sydney 20
1989 Paul Couch Geelong 22
1990 Tony Liberatore Footscray 18
1991 Jim Stynes Melbourne 25
1992 Scott Wynd Footscray 20
1993 Gavin Wanganeen Essendon 18
1994 Greg Williams Carlton 30
1995 Paul Kelly Sydney 21
1996 Michael Voss Brisbane 21
James Hird Essendon 21
1997 Robert Harvey Saint Kilda 26
1998 Robert Harvey Saint Kilda 32
1999 Shane Crawford Hawthorn 28
2000 Shane Woewodin Melbourne 24
2001 Jason Akermanis Brisbane 24
2002 Simon Black Brisbane 25
2003 Mark Ricciuto Adelaide 22
Nathan Buckley Collingwood 22
Adam Goodes Sydney 22
2004 Chris JuddWC Eagles 30
2005 Ben Cousins WC Eagles 20

Bitch slapped AGAIN

 

[- PC -]

Didnt we debate this a few months ago?

Doesnt matter who helps or who does what . Ruttens primary role is to ensure the full forward doesnt score goals. Whether this is done by the midfield strangling the movement or pushing the ball to the wings, or by Rutten creating enough pressure on the full forward so the ff leads to the wing doesnt matter.

Its a team game .

 

[just maybe]

Judd won it in 2004, Cousins in 2005.

Mate you don't seem to know **** or bother to research your arguments.

Excuse me.

I for some reason thought Kerr won it last year.

Oops.

 

[maccas_no1]

Yep, I made a mistake.

Compared to you claiming any defender that gives up 5 goals is rubbish and that Goodwin and Edwards don't play in the D50, it's minor!

What you added a goal to try win an argument more like it, pretty low

 

[just maybe]

Bitch slapped AGAIN

You have to post the same thing twice?

Wow, you really are bitter!

What was that about defenders getting 5 goals kicked on them? Edwards and Goodwin? Crows tactics?

 

[maccas_no1]

Excuse me.

I for some reason thought Kerr won it last year.

Oops.

Back pedalling

 

[just maybe]

What you added a goal to try win an argument more like it, pretty low

Just childish.

For a grown man, you have to resort to making things up to cover your inadequacies.

I have no problem admitting I made a mistake.

 

[maccas_no1]

What was that about defenders getting 5 goals kicked on them?

QUOTE]

Well Im waiting for you to show me the last time Hart, Rutten or Bassett had five goals kicked against them yet you cant do that, I will wait and wait

 

[just maybe]

Back pedalling

I at least have the decency to admit my mistakes, rather than disappearing into the ether after claiming:

1. any defender that has 5 goals kicked on them is rubbish

2. that Goodwin and Edwards don't play in the defensive 50

3. that Tom Harley, Milburn and Hunt are crap

4. that the Crows don't push back hard into defense

5. that a player returning from injury isn't class

 

[maccas_no1]

Just childish.

For a grown man, you have to resort to making things up to cover your inadequacies.

I have no problem admitting I made a mistake.

Made more than a mistake ,you have made a few BIG blunders in the last 10 mins, better go turn the heater down you are getting a bit hot and bothered there JM

 

[maccas_no1]

I at least have the decency to admit my mistakes, rather than disappearing into the ether after claiming:

1. any defender that has 5 goals kicked on them is rubbish

2. that Goodwin and Edwards don't play in the defensive 50

3. that Tom Harley, Milburn and Hunt are crap

4. that the Crows don't push back hard into defense

5. that a player returning from injury isn't class

1 A good defender wouldnt have 5 goals kicked on them, eg a class defender such as Hart, Rutten or Bassett.

2. They spend very little time in the D50 if they spent alot of time in the D50 who would deliver the ball to our forwards

3.Harley is crap, Milburn doesnt get the recoginition he desevres and would be Geelongs next best defender behind Scarlett will take that back, Hunt is rubbish.

4. WTF where did I say they dont push hard back into defence

5. I never said a player returning from injury isnt class Where did I say they werent class

 

[just maybe]

What was that about defenders getting 5 goals kicked on them?

QUOTE]

Well Im waiting for you to show me the last time Hart, Rutten or Bassett had five goals kicked against them yet you cant do that, I will wait and wait

Rutten - Rd 6 last year, Darcy 6 goals, Rd 17 2004, Lynch 6 goals

Bassett - too many to count, pick any match against Alastair Lynch, Quentin Lynch's first match, etc

Hart - I ain't trawling back through his games to pick out all of them!

 

[GoSarge]

Cut it out you 2 or I'll bitch slap both of you

 

[Stiffy_18]

1 A good defender wouldnt have 5 goals kicked on them, eg a class defender such as Hart, Rutten or Bassett.

Dude all those players have had a bag kicked on them at some stage of their careers.

Everyone has a bad day or 2 that doesn't mean they are rubbish. Didn't Lockett kick 10 on Hart. I also recall Lynch kicking a huge bag on both Rutten and Bassett and Bassett also had 7 kicked on him by Tredrea in one showdown.

 

[maccas_no1]

Dude all those players have had a bag kicked on them at some stage of their careers.

Everyone has a bad day or 2 that doesn't mean they are rubbish. Didn't Lockett kick 10 on Hart. I also recall Lynch kicking a huge bag on both Rutten and Bassett and Bassett also had 7 kicked on him by Tredrea in one showdown.

JM makes it sound like it is happening every single week, very rare for any of those players at the moment to have a bag kicked against them.

 

[just maybe]

1 A good defender wouldnt have 5 goals kicked on them, eg a class defender such as Hart, Rutten or Bassett.

Yet they've all had 5 goals+ kicked against them multiple times?

2. They spend very little time in the D50 if they spent alot of time in the D50 who would deliver the ball to our forwards

You know players are capable of passing to a teammate and running forwards?

Fact remains, both are in the top 6 for rebound 50s, so you've been laughably exposed.

3.Harley is crap, Milburn doesnt get the recoginition he desevres and would be Geelongs next best defender behind Scarlett will take that back, Hunt is rubbish.

Stupid.

4. WTF where did I say they dont push hard back into defence

Goodwin and Edwards are on the end of Bassett, Mcleods and Johncocks kick out of our defensive 50 and are delivering the ball to our forwards, if Goodwin and Edwards are in our defensive 50 who is delivering the ball to our forwards

5. I never said a player returning from injury isnt class Where did I say they werent class

Yep, you did, I quoted it earlier. When I said Harley was coming back from injury, you said

So one minute they are class players the next they are coming back from injury and you reakon I dont have a clue

Clearly making a division between a player coming back from injury and one with class.

 

[just maybe]

JM makes it sound like it is happening every single week, very rare for any of those players at the moment to have a bag kicked against them.

Never did that at all.

Making things up as usual because you're wrong.

I simply responded to your outlandish statement that a defender who has 5 goals kicked on them is rubbish by pointing out that all those three had had 5 goals kicked on them.

So you're lying again, and by your logic, those three Crows are all rubbish.

You said it - not me. 'Any defender who has 5 kicked on them is rubbish'

 

[maccas_no1]

Clearly making a division between a player coming back from injury and one with class.

Harley anit class

 

[chapmanmagic35]

1 A good defender wouldnt have 5 goals kicked on them, eg a class defender such as Hart, Rutten or Bassett.

2. They spend very little time in the D50 if they spent alot of time in the D50 who would deliver the ball to our forwards

3.Harley is crap, Milburn doesnt get the recoginition he desevres and would be Geelongs next best defender behind Scarlett will take that back, Hunt is rubbish.

4. WTF where did I say they dont push hard back into defence

5. I never said a player returning from injury isnt class Where did I say they werent class

That is just rubbish. One of the premier CHB's in the AFL.

 

[tribey]

Dude all those players have had a bag kicked on them at some stage of their careers.

Everyone has a bad day or 2 that doesn't mean they are rubbish. Didn't Lockett kick 10 on Hart. I also recall Lynch kicking a huge bag on both Rutten and Bassett and Bassett also had 7 kicked on him by Tredrea in one showdown.

During the Zac Dawson debates earlier in the year ('Is Clarko helping or hindering him?'), Robert Walls kept mentioning the fact that while at Carlton he left a young SOS on Plugger all day and the big unit kicked ten.

As you say, sh#t happens.

PS. Just on the debate at hand, the chrome motorbike - when fit - is one of the best CHBs in the comp.

 

[just maybe]

Harley anit class

You made a general statement, not me. You mentioned 'they', not Harley!

Backpedalling now!

By the way, why don't you post your opinion of Harley on the main board? See what response you get?