Ryan Griffen

[Stiffy_18]

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[Stiffy_18]

He will be wearing tiger colours next year as we will pick him up at pick 4.

With getting deledio at pick 1 this is surely going to give us some youth through the midfield for the future. Im also hoping we draft jordan lewis so we can have lewis, coughlan, griffen and deledio carvin it up in the middle in the future.

Thats if he lasts until pick 4.

 

[Rave Slave]

This could be a thread in itself then but who could be the slider of the draft - any one player with an injury which may make them a slider. Not necessarily even top 5 so much as a player tipped to go first round that may slip to us in the second round?

 

[crowsarethebest]

If a person is going to drop down, my bet is on roughhead or franklin

 

[Stiffy_18]

If a person is going to drop down, my bet is on roughhead or franklin

Not sure about that. Richmond, Hawks and Bulldogs need quality KPP. Good KPP are much harder to find than good midfielders so clubs generally go for talls.

Taking into account Wallace's recruiting history, I would say Richmond will pick midfielders with picks 1 and 4. Bulldogs are likely to take a KPP and possibly a ruckman. Hawks with their picks 2, 5 and 7 will most probably take a ruckman, KPP and a midfielder.

I am sure someone considered a top 5 pick will slide, its just a question of who will it be.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Not sure about that. Richmond, Hawks and Bulldogs need quality KPP. Good KPP are much harder to find than good midfielders so clubs generally go for talls.

Taking into account Wallace's recruiting history, I would say Richmond will pick midfielders with picks 1 and 4. Bulldogs are likely to take a KPP and possibly a ruckman. Hawks with their picks 2, 5 and 7 will most probably take a ruckman, KPP and a midfielder.

I am sure someone considered a top 5 pick will slide, its just a question of who will it be.

A ruckman might slip into the top 5 and the whole order will change.

 

[Ozzie]

Not sure about that. Richmond, Hawks and Bulldogs need quality KPP. Good KPP are much harder to find than good midfielders so clubs generally go for talls.

Taking into account Wallace's recruiting history, I would say Richmond will pick midfielders with picks 1 and 4. Bulldogs are likely to take a KPP and possibly a ruckman. Hawks with their picks 2, 5 and 7 will most probably take a ruckman, KPP and a midfielder.

I am sure someone considered a top 5 pick will slide, its just a question of who will it be.

Stiffy u have said it yerself KPP is the way to go. Have to take the BEST player on offer at 8 and if one of the rated KPPs is there that has to be the pick over a midfielder. This is assuming Griffin does not drop. He is the only one I would go for over a KPP such as Roughhead, Willets or Kirkby. We need some mongrel into the side and that also makes Roughhead more attractive if he was still there.

 

[Russian]

If the bottom 3 pick on what I think are their needs, only 2 midfielders will go in the top 7, but I doubt that will happen because there don't seem to be enough talls who are better than the 3 midfielders.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If the bottom 3 pick on what I think are their needs, only 2 midfielders will go in the top 7, but I doubt that will happen because there don't seem to be enough talls who are better than the 3 midfielders.

I see it the same way.
Everyone is seeing the top 9 picks almost the same - just don't think it has historically ended up that predictable.

The ruckman hold the key and how early they're taken - does Richmond for example use one of their early picks knowing Hawthorn, Carlton, and Adelaide, Bulldogs, will take the best 3 prior to their 3rd pick.

This draft will determine how the clubs rate the importance of ruckmen to the modern game.

 

[Wrenny]

Not sure about that. Richmond, Hawks and Bulldogs need quality KPP. Good KPP are much harder to find than good midfielders so clubs generally go for talls.

Taking into account Wallace's recruiting history, I would say Richmond will pick midfielders with picks 1 and 4. Bulldogs are likely to take a KPP and possibly a ruckman. Hawks with their picks 2, 5 and 7 will most probably take a ruckman, KPP and a midfielder.

I am sure someone considered a top 5 pick will slide, its just a question of who will it be.

Good post. IMO i think it will go like this.

#1- Brett Deledio- Rich
#2- Richard Tambling- Haw
#3- Lance Franklin- WB
#4- Ryan Griffen- Rich
#5- Jarred Roughhead- Haw
#6- Cameron Wood- WB
#7- Fabian Deluca- Haw
#8- Angus Monfries- Crows
#9- John Meeson- Carl
#10- Danny Meyer- Coll
#11- Ryan Willits- Port
#12- Jordan Lewis- Rich
#13- Ben Sharp- Melb
#14- Ruory Kirkby- Ess
#15- Heath Grundy- Melb
#16- Matthew Bate- Rich
#17- Ben Sharp- St Kilda
#18- Tom Williams- Bris
#19- Ben Eckerman- Port
#20- Ivan Maric- Rich

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Good post. IMO i think it will go like this.

#1- Brett Deledio- Rich
#2- Richard Tambling- Haw
#3- Lance Franklin- WB
#4- Ryan Griffen- Rich
#5- Jarred Roughhead- Haw
#6- Cameron Wood- WB
#7- Fabian Deluca- Haw
#8- Angus Monfries- Crows
#9- John Meeson- Carl
#10- Danny Meyer- Coll
#11- Ryan Willits- Port
#12- Jordan Lewis- Rich
#13- Ben Sharp- Melb
#14- Ruory Kirkby- Ess
#15- Heath Grundy- Melb
#16- Matthew Bate- Rich
#17- Ben Sharp- St Kilda
#18- Tom Williams- Bris
#19- Ben Eckerman- Port
#20- Ivan Maric- Rich

Excellent list - don't think in particular the top 10 ten you'll be far of the mark.

 

[theorangeapple]

ive been told reliably that franklin could be a slider, possibly to pick 6-7.

 

[Stiffy_18]

ive been told reliably that franklin could be a slider, possibly to pick 6-7.

He does look to be the one most likely.

 

[scooter600x]

#13- Ben Sharp- Melb
#14- Ruory Kirkby- Ess
#15- Heath Grundy- Melb
#16- Matthew Bate- Rich
#17- Ben Sharp- St Kilda

I don't think Ben Sharp will last to 17 if he's already been drafted at 13.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't think Ben Sharp will last to 17 if he's already been drafted at 13.

Twins

 

[BulldogMike]

I think Griffen will end up at the Doggies.

 

[tribey]

Twins

The B. Sharps?

 

[Eggzoi]

I think Griffen will end up at the Doggies.

So we'd be working on a trade for Cooney AND Griffen then?

 

[conVINCEd]

There is usually a slider; the chances of it being Griffen would seem pretty small, but you never know.

Salopek dropped for a number of different reasons;

Brisbane decided they needed an athletic tall (Brennan)
The Dogs decided they had to take a tall at any cost (Walsh)
And as for Sydney, well, I tend to believe they thought Salopek would be gone by their pick and they told Jared McVeigh they would definitely draft him at #5.

As for Tenace, again a lot of reasons, but I think the amazing thing about last years draft was that the Dogs took Ray at #4 and overlooked Tenace. Then each club went for needs; Demons believed they needed two inside midfielders, so along with Sylvia they took McLean, and the Dons desperately needed a tall so they went with Bradley, leaving Tenace to go to sleepy town at #7.

If we are to get Griffen, we need the Dogs to take a KPP with #3 and hope that the Hawks or Tigers are desperate enough for a ruckman to use their #4 or #5 on one.

Even then however, we still need the Hawks to pass on Griffen at #7. If we had #7 (which we would have if the Blues had beaten the Pies in R22), then I think we could possibly get him. If he does slide though, I think the Hawks will take him at #7.

 

[Stiffy_18]

McLeod23, I think you seriously underrate Ray. He will most probably end up a better player than Tenace

 

[conVINCEd]

McLeod23, I think you seriously underrate Ray. He will most probably end up a better player than Tenace

In the opening post of this thread, you said Tenace was a "certain top 3".

Did you rate Ray the second best kid in the 2003 National Draft?

 

[Stiffy_18]

In the opening post of this thread, you said Tenace was a "certain top 3".

Did you rate Ray the second best kid in the 2003 National Draft?

Yes he was considered a certain top 3 pick. I rated Ray 4th best mainly because he would need a few pre-seasons in the gym, where as Tenace was capable of playing a handful of AFL games this year.

Ray is a very good footballer. I had Cooney at 1, Sylvia @ 2, Tenace @ 3 and Ray @ 4 but mainly considering the clubs and their needs.

In the long run I think Ray will turn out better than Tenace.

Some phantom drafts had Ray as a #2 pick. It was no secret that WB were absolutely in love with the lad and were hoping he would be there @ 4.

 

[conVINCEd]

Yes he was considered a certain top 3 pick. I rated Ray 4th best mainly because he would need a few pre-seasons in the gym, where as Tenace was capable of playing a handful of AFL games this year.

Ray is a very good footballer. I had Cooney at 1, Sylvia @ 2, Tenace @ 3 and Ray @ 4 but mainly considering the clubs and their needs.

In the long run I think Ray will turn out better than Tenace.

Some phantom drafts had Ray as a #2 pick. It was no secret that WB were absolutely in love with the lad and were hoping he would be there @ 4.

Fair enough, but you said that I "seriously underrate" Ray.

All I said was that I was surprised that Ray was taken before Tenace, as I rated Tenace above Ray - as you did yourself.

 

[BulldogMike]

Farren Ray has a huge turn of pace and runs like lightening over 100m. His intial excelleration speed is easily going to rate as one of the fastest and quickest in the league when he starts carrying the ball.

 

[macca23]

Yes he was considered a certain top 3 pick. I rated Ray 4th best mainly because he would need a few pre-seasons in the gym, where as Tenace was capable of playing a handful of AFL games this year.

Ray is a very good footballer. I had Cooney at 1, Sylvia @ 2, Tenace @ 3 and Ray @ 4 but mainly considering the clubs and their needs.

In the long run I think Ray will turn out better than Tenace.

Some phantom drafts had Ray as a #2 pick. It was no secret that WB were absolutely in love with the lad and were hoping he would be there @ 4.

Stiffy, I have to put my hand up and say that I was one of those that didn't rate Ray as high as many others, and to be honest, I still haven't changed my mind.

I might be proven wrong, but I'd rather have Tenace rather than Ray, purely on the physical ability to play at AFL level, rather than skills etc.

Ray is at a genuine disadvantage due to his very light physique - he'll certainly need those pre-seasons in the gym that you're talking about.

Tenace doesn't suffer in this manner and is more capable of making an immediate contribution as a result.

He's already shown that he's going to be a very good player, while at this stage Ray can only promise to be.

I would have taken Tenace if I had been choosing.