Ryan Murphy

[TOA.]

Ray and a 2nd/3rd rounder for Murphy.

Your not going to get that.

Remember Aker was worth a 2nd round pick in a straight swap.

There is no way there is that much of a difference between Murphy and Ray. Both a very talented, early draft picks from afew years ago. Straight swap is the most fair outcome IMO. Maybe if Freo can wrangle it you could get a 4th rounder or maybe upgrade your 3rd rounder for their 2nd rounder (ie swap pick 40 for pick 28).

As far as WC goes, Im sure we'd love Murphy. He is a true FF and we dont really have anyone like that. Lynch plays ok at CHF, Brown, Staker, Hansen et al are better up the ground.

We wont give up a player IMO, remember we refused to give up Rosa and 2nd round pick for Tarrant. Thats how highly we rate Matt. Butler likewise is rated very highly at the club, he's class and too good for you guys Hurn, well he simply aint going anywhere. We simply dont trade blokes, almost exclusively dealing in draft picks.

If we were to trade a talented young player, Morton might be one we would consider. He has loads of talent but he just isnt following instructions at the moment. Woosha seems to have strict instructions for our small forwards and if they dont deliver then they get blasted.

As far as to what draft pick Murphy is worth. We wont trade our first rounder, that would leave us exposed in the early rounds of the draft. He is probably worth a pick around 20, but given he's only playing WAFL, you guys are not exactly increasing his value.

I know it sounds like I am predicting everything we wont do but its black and white. We have set rules in regards to trading and they werent broken to get an AA forward in Tarrant and they certainly wont be broken to get a promising but unproven forward.

 

[Lach72]

Read through you knob.

Ray is not that good.
Slow with average disposal.

Pavlich chased him down against the bullies.

 

[E Shed]

Here's a thought. Let's not trade Murphy. Let the new coach, whoever it is, put him at full forward and leave him there. I can't bear the thought of watching him kick 80 next for the bullies or even worse, the Eagles.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Farren Ray? Would you consider him?

Nah. Too slow.

 

[Belnakor]

Nah. Too slow.

Nah, just what we need, another slow midfielder who can't kick. We don't have any of those at the moment. Big bodies = clearances.

 

[TOA.]

Farren Ray is not slow people.

I hope your not judging him from one run down by Pav. It really irks me when people do that because they dont know how much running the bloke did to get the footy. Ray might have just sprinted 200m to receive the footy and spend by the time he got it? (however, I dont remember the actual incident)

 

[hoogs]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7946078#post7946078

Thread titled the same, but on the Bulldogs board.

 

[jarman]

Here's a thought. Let's not trade Murphy. Let the new coach, whoever it is, put him at full forward and leave him there. I can't bear the thought of watching him kick 80 next for the bullies or even worse, the Eagles.

E Shed - this is exactly what will happen when Murphy and Campbell go to another club. These two need opportunities and they are not getting them under CC.

If CC is coach again, these two need to move on inorder to get given a go and I bet they will both do a "Polak" and become very good footballers.

My preference instead of getting Tarrant would have been to play Murphy, Campbell and the Wiz as the FF line with Pav at CHF. We could then have gone after a midfielder with a bit of tow about him with our draft pick.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Farren Ray is not slow people.

I hope your not judging him from one run down by Pav. It really irks me when people do that because they dont know how much running the bloke did to get the footy. Ray might have just sprinted 200m to receive the footy and spend by the time he got it? (however, I dont remember the actual incident)

I watched him play for Weribee on ABC2 a while back. He was slow. He's endurance not speed.

 

[chook2734]

If CC is coach again, these two need to move on inorder to get given a go and I bet they will both do a "Polak" and become very good footballers.

I'm sure both Murphy and Campbell would be much more than just 'very good footballers' if they had the opportunity to play without an opponent week in week out like Polak does.

 

[TOA.]

I watched him play for Weribee on ABC2 a while back. He was slow. He's endurance not speed.

Fair enough, but his DC testing sugggested he had pace.

 

[Wood Truck]

Just to set the record straight - Ray definitely isn't slow. He might move at one pace and lack the turbo jets that players like the Davey brothers and young Malcolm Lynch have, but the guy's speed off the mark is flat out. He almost instantly reaches top speed in the first few steps which is a big plus for getting out of packs. I think he's sometimes perceived lack of speed is just deception, similiar to the likes of a Leon Cameron.

The touted direct swap with Murphy and Ray would be as close to ideal as they come. The only problem I have is I don't want to lose Ray. The guy only started playing AFL at 16 so has heaps of up-side in his development. He' got the tools - pace, endurance and finding the footy, only has to polish up his disposal and he's the complete package.

Just take a look at last year's elimination final against the Pies for example. BOG in a tough do or die big game... I like the look of Murphy too, but I reckon the Dockers should persist and make a long term player out of him. I think he'll come on - he was very impressive in what I saw last year.

Hopefully both Ray and Murphy play 10 grand years at there respective clubs and celebrate a little bit of September success along the way!

 

[jarman]

I'm sure both Murphy and Campbell would be much more than just 'very good footballers' if they had the opportunity to play without an opponent week in week out like Polak does.

He is doing the job that is asked from him well. Far better than he ever did at Freo under CC.

He went up forward a couple of times and kicked some goals.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Just to set the record straight - Ray definitely isn't slow. He might move at one pace and lack the turbo jets that players like the Davey brothers and young Malcolm Lynch have, but the guy's speed off the mark is flat out. He almost instantly reaches top speed in the first few steps which is a big plus for getting out of packs. I think he's sometimes perceived lack of speed is just deception, similiar to the likes of a Leon Cameron.

The touted direct swap with Murphy and Ray would be as close to ideal as they come. The only problem I have is I don't want to lose Ray. The guy only started playing AFL at 16 so has heaps of up-side in his development. He' got the tools - pace, endurance and finding the footy, only has to polish up his disposal and he's the complete package.

Just take a look at last year's elimination final against the Pies for example. BOG in a tough do or die big game... I like the look of Murphy too, but I reckon the Dockers should persist and make a long term player out of him. I think he'll come on - he was very impressive in what I saw last year.

Hopefully both Ray and Murphy play 10 grand years at there respective clubs and celebrate a little bit of September success along the way!

Thanks for that. I'll have to defer to you and TOA's opinion on this one. I thought his DC results were good on 3km and weak on 20m sprint but seems I'm mistaken.

TOA, do you have Ray's DC results handy, and can post them?

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

I'm sure both Murphy and Campbell would be much more than just 'very good footballers' if they had the opportunity to play without an opponent week in week out like Polak does.

Nah. Polak is an exceptional contested mark, way beyond Murphy and Campbell. As Richmond has found out.

They way to play a guy like that is a loose man so he can get decent run at the contest, and is not grappling one-on-one thereby negating his abilities.

Polak looks like he has blossomed under a combination of growing up and having a coach who is willing to back him. That may work for Murphy. Campbell is more one dimensional.

 

[Bigger]

What an incredibly positive take on the loose man in defence role.

Polak was supposed to be the greta white KPP hope at Richmond. They were going to play him forward and he was going to use this marking power to kick bags and drag them out of the poo.

10 games later he's playing the same third man up role he was playing at Fremantle.

Because that's all he can do. He reads the ball real well coming in and has no fear in the air. means he's a great mark but he really suffers when it comes to paying actual attention to an opponent. So he will never be a fair dinkum defensive KPP and we all know how he goes in the forward line.

He got a bit fitter at Richmond but he's still the sameplayer.

 

[pinkus maximus]

What an incredibly positive take on the loose man in defence role.

Polak was supposed to be the greta white KPP hope at Richmond. They were going to play him forward and he was going to use this marking power to kick bags and drag them out of the poo.

10 games later he's playing the same third man up role he was playing at Fremantle.

Because that's all he can do. He reads the ball real well coming in and has no fear in the air. means he's a great mark but he really suffers when it comes to paying actual attention to an opponent. So he will never be a fair dinkum defensive KPP and we all know how he goes in the forward line.

He got a bit fitter at Richmond but he's still the sameplayer.

agree. i have no idea how some people are claiming him to be the recruit of the year

 

[Belnakor]

agree. i have no idea how some people are claiming him to be the recruit of the year

Same with Adam McPhee, played the exact same role and got AA.

 

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

What an incredibly positive take on the loose man in defence role.

Polak was supposed to be the greta white KPP hope at Richmond. They were going to play him forward and he was going to use this marking power to kick bags and drag them out of the poo.

I don't recall he was going forward. I thought he was promised a settled role in defence. Richmond's problems were they needed height both back and forward. He gives it to them back down.

I think you're being harsh about what he was supposed to do versus what he is actually doing.

If he's pulling down 8 to 12 contested marks in the backline every game no coach would care what he was doing. That kind of stat gives opposition coaches the heebie-jeebies.

 

[theGav56]

If he's pulling down 8 to 12 contested marks in the backline every game no coach would care what he was doing. That kind of stat gives opposition coaches the heebie-jeebies.

He takes some contested marks, but a lot of his marks are uncontested as with most backline players. I think his marking is over rated. he is never having to worry too much about an opponent so is free to have a run at the ball and crash a true marking contest. If he was manning up he would struggle just like the rest of the good marking players.

 

[TOA.]

Thanks for that. I'll have to defer to you and TOA's opinion on this one. I thought his DC results were good on 3km and weak on 20m sprint but seems I'm mistaken.

TOA, do you have Ray's DC results handy, and can post them?

I dont have his results on me (laptop with them packed up). His speed testing wasnt elite, he didnt make the top but I'm 99% sure he tested under 3secs (at a guess around 2.97?). He's not super quick but he's not slow either. As mentioned above, he doesnt have a turbo gear ala Judd but he has good pace. Because of his willingness to run, and ability to cover alot of the ground, he would be an asset on Subi.

 

[Tundrawolf]

They way to play a guy like that is a loose man so he can get decent run at the contest, and is not grappling one-on-one thereby negating his abilities. .

Fortunately not every coach likes to play negative football by having extras playing behind the ball.

 

[Ripper]

http://news.realfooty.com.au/farmer-mind-set-for-a-fruitful-return/20072928-kz1.html

"Ryan is playing the best football of his career in terms of his all round perspective and he certainly hit the scoreboard hard," Connolly said.
"He went down a general course most players do, they hit the AFL scene and play the game on their terms and do particularly well.
"All of a sudden they gain some respect in the competition, teams work very hard to reposition, defend and make life very difficult for them.
"We are really looking forward to see how Ryan Murphy - bigger, better, stronger comes into the AFL scene again."

Encouraging , and of course completely correct.

You only had to see how Priddis went with a hard tag against the Sainters to know that it is spot on.

Go Potato!

 

[theGav56]

Best thing for Murphy is to have his confidence, and for his team-mates to know that he is a viable forward option. Good move by the selectors to give him time in the WAFL to achieve that. Great move by Tarrant to smack that guy so Murphy can step up, before the Muskateers join forces to plunder together, from next week on.

 

[E Shed]

I don't recall he was going forward. I thought he was promised a settled role in defence. Richmond's problems were they needed height both back and forward. He gives it to them back down.

I think you're being harsh about what he was supposed to do versus what he is actually doing.

If he's pulling down 8 to 12 contested marks in the backline every game no coach would care what he was doing. That kind of stat gives opposition coaches the heebie-jeebies.

What he said. Looked very good in most matches I've seen him. Lot of marks in last like of defence. Linking up to run out of the backline. 20 ->25 lossies with 15 marks. contested marks not kick to kick. Most players would take that as a good day out.