Rules S33 Rules & Tribunal Thread

[I Dont Care]

Bombers brain trust???

Yes, it had the combined IQ of a banana. Now there's only banana peel

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Yes, it had the combined IQ of a banana. Now there's only banana peel

Agreed I need to pick my game up, Baghdad Bitter is just so tasty!

 

[Jabba73]

Agreed I need to pick my game up, Baghdad Bitter is just so tasty!

First time you have upended a cup and missed your mouth.

The end of the world is nigh

 

[Kilroy]

Bears’ penalty …

Update:

Bears have appealed and since its a bit late to do a captain vote and it was a harsh decision anyway, I have decided to not activate the suspended sentence.

Therefore Muddiemoose is free to play this week.

Suspended sentence still stands.

The first Bombers penalty …

Alright,

So here is what happened.

• A bunch of Bomber players were banhammered two days before the teamsheet deadline.
• As it was unprecedented I told them they could serve their suspensions seperately. I might not have communicated clearly enough, but the expectation was they use all possible reserves. They failed to do this.
• After the teamsheet deadline, more Bombers were banned.

As such I have decided to give them a penalty of 2 points for having an ineligible player on field when they had an eligible player in reserves.

They also have until deadline to sign fill in players until they have enough suspended players back to fill a squad, or else they will be docked further points.

Ljp86, please give the Bombers a 2 point penalty.

Then the ultimatum, which implies a 4-point penalty for the second offence …

Yes

As more have been suspended, the Bombers must try to recruit the required players to field a team.

If they do not recruit the required players to field a team this week, they will forfeit this weeks match.

BLUEALLTHRU, Jabba73

Might be difficult to recruit when the leaders are banned themselves and can't send PMs.

Also, it shouldn't be a forfeit. Why should the Wonders be rewarded with a free win just because their opponent for the week lost the plot?

Play the game as normal, just penalise the Bomber 4 points if they fail to recruit enough players.

KP seems keen on the 4-point penalty too.

Interesting that ND imposed a 2-point penalty the first time over La Dispute not playing (after belatedly getting out of Banhammer).

The second “offence” was TheCoach16 playing in the second week after serving what was presumed to be his penalty from what ND said (although his suspended sign was still visible).

Surely the extenuating circumstances and efforts to use all available players (including making TheCoach16 sit out this week so he served 2 weeks on the sidelines) justify only a 2-point penalty the second time?

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

First time you have upended a cup and missed your mouth.

The end of the world is nigh

I was really angry with that!

 

[Mobbs]

If the Sim is completely random, regardless of input from those running it, there is no need to award points for a forfeit to Team B if Team A forfeits. You are arguing that there is no influence on the teams chance of winning, yet wanting to gift the 4 points to Team B after they were unable to win them fairly under the same conditions as every other club, via random Sim. That gives them an unfair advantage over every other club.

The only fair way is to run the game and if Team A wins, they are docked the points for a forfeit and Team B gets nothing for losing a randomly Simmed game. If Team B wins, they get the points.

If your argument is the Sim is completely random, then the players listed in Team A have zero impact on the chances of Team B winning the game. So, being unable to field a team has zero impact on the result or the oppositions chances. You could fill Team A with made up names and nothing changes the chances of either side in a truly random Sim.

Awarding Team B the points is a bullshit free kick the other teams do not get, purely based on which random week Team A is unable to field a side for whatever reason.

I guess the question simply becomes, is the Sim truly random or do the named players influence the result? If it is truly random, Team B doesn’t deserve to get the points for a game they lost fair and square.

If opponents provide a legitimate team while their opponents do not, that's a forfeit. No matter how you dress it up. Remember, a team with too many players suspended to form a team is the wrongdoer. It's them who willingly recruited too many people who are subject to getting suspended. If you can get suspended, you are a potential liability and a smart club will keep that number low.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Bears’ penalty …

The first Bombers penalty …


Then the ultimatum, which implies a 4-point penalty for the second offence …





KP seems keen on the 4-point penalty too.

Interesting that ND imposed a 2-point penalty the first time over La Dispute not playing (after belatedly getting out of Banhammer).

The second “offence” was TheCoach16 playing in the second week after serving what was presumed to be his penalty from what ND said (although his suspended sign was still visible).

Surely the extenuating circumstances and efforts to use all available players (including making TheCoach16 sit out this week so he served 2 weeks on the sidelines) justify only a 2-point penalty the second time?

It's less about naming ineligible players in the team, rather not having enough eligible players in your squad i.e. 20 players who are not suspended.

You cop the first 2-points due to not having enough eligible players in reserve as at the team sheet deadline against the Phoenix, that was presumably the reason you needed to stagger the suspensions across two weeks.

I don't actually know how many eligible players you had against the Wonders between how many were recruited vs how many more were banned, but if it was less than 20 it would be another high-impact penalty leading to a total of 4-points.

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SEC [6]. PENALTIES

The Administrator shall apply the following penalties for breaches of the Rules under Sections 4 and 5 as above.

6A) High impact

The following list of offences will result in a 2 point deduction in league standings, and 1 game suspension for a team’s listed captain(s):

• Failing to submit a valid initial squad and changes in the squad submission thread by deadline as per 4A
• Failing to satisfy the minimum initial squad list requirement (22 eligible players) as per 4A
• Failing to satisfy the minimum team list requirement in season (20 eligible players) as per 4A
• Failure to submit a complete team sheet in the submission thread by the deadline as per 5A
• Editing the team sheet after team sheet deadline as per 5A
• Deliberately hindering the simulation team through disregard of 5A, 5B and/or 5C.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

If opponents provide a legitimate team while their opponents do not, that's a forfeit. No matter how you dress it up. Remember, a team with too many players suspended to form a team is the wrongdoer. It's them who willingly recruited too many people who are subject to getting suspended. If you can get suspended, you are a potential liability and a smart club will keep that number low.

There is no concept of a forfeit in the SFA.

 

[Mobbs]

There is no concept of a forfeit in the SFA.

Only if the Sweet FA is not based on footy. Which it is.

 

[Kilroy]

It's less about naming ineligible players in the team, rather not having enough eligible players in your squad i.e. 20 players who are not suspended.

You cop the first 2-points due to not having enough eligible players in reserve as at the team sheet deadline against the Phoenix, that was presumably the reason you needed to stagger the suspensions across two weeks.

I don't actually know how many eligible players you had against the Wonders between how many were recruited vs how many more were banned, but if it was less than 20 it would be another high-impact penalty leading to a total of 4-points.

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SEC [6]. PENALTIES

The Administrator shall apply the following penalties for breaches of the Rules under Sections 4 and 5 as above.

6A) High impact

The following list of offences will result in a 2 point deduction in league standings, and 1 game suspension for a team’s listed captain(s):

• Failing to submit a valid initial squad and changes in the squad submission thread by deadline as per 4A
• Failing to satisfy the minimum initial squad list requirement (22 eligible players) as per 4A
• Failing to satisfy the minimum team list requirement in season (20 eligible players) as per 4A
• Failure to submit a complete team sheet in the submission thread by the deadline as per 5A
• Editing the team sheet after team sheet deadline as per 5A
• Deliberately hindering the simulation team through disregard of 5A, 5B and/or 5C.

It was implied to us that TheCoach16 was indeed available.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Only if the Sweet FA is not based on footy. Which it is.

It's not based on footy. It's based on the AFL, the rules mean nothing and we make shit up on the run.

 

[Headless]

It was implied to us that TheCoach16 was indeed available.

Despite being banned?

 

[Mobbs]

It's not based on footy.

Bullshit.

It's based on the AFL

Bullshit

we make shit up on the run.

Fair point. Carry on.

 

[Kilroy]

Despite being banned?

We were not informed of how many weeks, despite us asking, but it was clear he was no longer unavailable.

 

[Headless]

We were not informed of how many weeks, despite us asking, but it was clear he was no longer unavailable.

I could tell TheCoach16 was banned. Why couldn't the Bombers?

 

[Kilroy]

I could tell TheCoach16 was banned. Why couldn't the Bombers?

We still had people unclear on how long their suspensions were for.

You would presume an Admin had the difinitive knowledge, wouldn’t you?

 

[Headless]

We still had people unclear on how long their suspensions were for.

You would presume an Admin had the difinitive knowledge, wouldn’t you?

TheCoach16 was very clearly banned at team submission.

And no, not necessarily.

 

[Kilroy]

And no, not necessarily.

Then who, pray tell, would know, O’ wise one?

 

[Jabba73]

If opponents provide a legitimate team while their opponents do not, that's a forfeit. No matter how you dress it up. Remember, a team with too many players suspended to form a team is the wrongdoer. It's them who willingly recruited too many people who are subject to getting suspended. If you can get suspended, you are a potential liability and a smart club will keep that number low.

Doesn’t mean Team B deserves the 4 points when they don’t win the game.

Team B has the same chance to win the game as every other club, independent of anything to do with Team A, if it is truly a random Sim. Therefore, if they don’t win on their own merit, stiff shit, no points.

It has nothing to do with Team A. This is about Team B

 

[Headless]

Then who, pray tell, would know, O’ wise one?

I would imagine site moderators. The admin is not always a moderator. They are separate roles.

Luckily, of course, we only need to name 20 eligible players in a team, and allowed squad sizes are much larger than that. If you weren't sure if TheCoach16 would still be banned, I'm sure the Bombers could have named instead one of your other eligible players.

Unless, of course, you had a small squad, and many of your players were banned at the same time, meaning you didn't have enough eligible eligible players to field an appropriate side.

Which would, of course, be the fault of the club, and not really have anything to do with the administrator.

 

[Headless]

Unless you're talking about a site admin, Kilroy, which isn't my area and is largely irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Unless you're talking about a site admin, Kilroy, which isn't my area and is largely irrelevant to this discussion.

If you get the okay from the board admin then this discussion is null and void. Cease and desist and stop wasting oxygen!

 

[Kilroy]

I would imagine site moderators. The admin is not always a moderator. They are separate roles.

Luckily, of course, we only need to name 20 eligible players in a team, and allowed squad sizes are much larger than that. If you weren't sure if TheCoach16 would still be banned, I'm sure the Bombers could have named instead one of your other eligible players.

You do realise we had a guy that got pinged by sniper fire from a team with a vested interest in killing off our solutions to immediate problems?

You did see that, didn’t you Headless ?

 

[Headless]

If you get the okay from the board admin then this discussion is null and void. Cease and desist and stop wasting oxygen!

I don't think I'm using any more oxygen than I would be if posting about something else, my dear friend.

 

[Headless]

You do realise we had a guy that got pinged by sniper fire from a team with a vested interest in killing off our solutions to immediate problems?

You did see that, didn’t you Headless ?

No - please elaborate.

EDIT: Unless this is referring to why somebody was banned or something, which doesn't interest me. Not quite following your post.