Admin Notice S36 Rules and serial_thrilla Thread

[TedDougChris]

I think you’re referring to this guy, Ted?

Yep, if you can teach him BTGID, you can do almost anything !!!

 

[TRUMAN#1]

You’re not doing your club any favours mate.

The purpose of this thread isn’t for silly banter, it’s not a match thread.

If my club made the mistakes that yours did, I’d be questioning my LG, not blaming the rules

 

[Senor M]

No, you are implying that no Bomber knows the rules because Sun Ra was banned.

That is as stupid as me saying you don't know the rules because one of your teammates was permabanned.

I’m saying that if I was in an LG at a club with a player who was at risk of being perma’d, I’d work with him on strategies to survive.

 

[Kilroy]

Yep, if you can teach him BTGID, you can do almost anything !!!

Just to clarify, would you prefer I teach him how to Bring The Game Into Disrepute or how not to?

I doubt he’s even been suspended, Ted.

What are you on?

 

[Jabba73]

I’m saying that if I was in an LG at a club with a player who was at risk of being perma’d, I’d work with him on strategies to survive.

Phew.

Now I know for sure you have no access to the inner working of the Baghdad Bombers.

 

[TedDougChris]

Just to clarify, would you prefer I teach him how to Bring The Game Into Disrepute or how not to?

I doubt he’s even been suspended, Ted.

What are you on?

Ok, good chat. Nice missing of the joke that U2 got about 24 hrs ago, so lets move on as you're clearly not going to get it...

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Ok, good chat. Nice missing of the joke that U2 got about 24 hrs ago, so lets move on as you're clearly not going to get it...

Is this coming from Ted, Doug or Chris? Would just like to know which personality I'm dealing with here.

 

[gab213]

I’m saying that if I was in an LG at a club with a player who was at risk of being perma’d, I’d work with him on strategies to survive.

You're assuming that nobody did that, you're speaking from a position of total ignorance.

You shouldn't make comments on things you have no idea of.

 

[Senor M]

You're assuming that nobody did that, you're speaking from a position of total ignorance.

You shouldn't make comments on things you have no idea of.

My club doesn’t get a player perma’d on average once a season.

It doesn’t take Einstein to figure out there’s something wrong at Baghdad if you’re still losing player after player to the same rules that have been in existence for years

 

[Elton Johns Wig]

You're assuming that nobody did that, you're speaking from a position of total ignorance.

You're surprised by this?

 

[gab213]

My club doesn’t get a player perma’d on average once a season.

It doesn’t take Einstein to figure out there’s something wrong at Baghdad if you’re still losing player after player to the same rules that have been in existence for years

More nonsense and hyperbole, you have no idea.

 

[Jabba73]

You're assuming that nobody did that, you're speaking from a position of total ignorance.

You shouldn't make comments on things you have no idea of.

There goes all his material ...

 

[Jabba73]

You’re not doing your club any favours mate.

The purpose of this thread isn’t for silly banter, it’s not a match thread.

If my club made the mistakes that yours did, I’d be questioning my LG, not blaming the rules

Just checked, this is not the Committee.

Banter is just fine you old stick in the mud. Lighten up, ffs.

 

[gab213]

Hardly, he's one of the only reasons the league has rules and structure instead of the casual vibe of the thing the Bombers want.

He should probably get a medal tbh

You do realise that nobody is questioning the need to have rules? What is being argued here is whether they have been applied correctly or not.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Kennedy Parker I refer to the infraction listed above and the penalty that has been incorrectly applied.

There was no breach of the current rules as they are written as follows:


4B) Squad Changes

Any changes to the previous season's final squad must be listed in the current season's initial squad submission denoting the additions as "INs" and subtractions as "OUTs".

This has been done, as evidenced by our current squad listing. No dispute there.

If a change is required to a team list for any addition or subtraction it must be noted in a post in the current season's squad submission thread.

Which we have done. A big tick for us again.

The change must include alteration to the player list, and the list of any additions ("Ins") and subtractions ("Outs")

Which we have done. Another criteria met.

The initial squad submission must be altered (preferred) or re-posted (if original poster unavailable) to reflect these changes.

We used the initial post and altered that, as is the preferred method. Once again complied with the rules.


Squad changes are considered complete once both of these above actions have been carried out.

And here we seemed to have reached the point of contention. The squad change is only considered complete when the (in this case) permanently banned player is removed from the list and also noted as an out. This is further addressed below.


Any players that have closed or permanently banned accounts are not considered to be active and therefore those players must be removed from the submitted squad and the squad minimum criteria must still be met.

As you noted yourself, Sun Ra was removed from our submitted squad and we still meet the minimum number of eligible players for this season. Once again, within the rules.


So the only point of contention is at what time the change to the squad needs to be finalised. I have searched and failed to find where 6.05am on a Monday morning is mentioned in the rules as the cut off for squad changes.

As we were in the process of completing the squad changes as required by the rules, and within the timeframe required, it seems that an arbitrary cut off time has been used as a "gotcha" moment. In contravention of the accepted practice of making squad changes prior to the following weeks team submission deadline of Thursday nights, it seems the punishment meted out to the Baghdad Bombers was very premature and done erroneously.

We respectfully request you withdraw the penalties consisting of a strike and warning and save them for when we are genuinely in the wrong.

 

[Kilroy]

Ok, good chat. Nice missing of the joke …. so let’s move on …

You are too kind.

 

[Cadsky]

Are you finished Jabba73?

 

[Jabba73]

Are you finished Jabba73?

Oh the irony in this post.

Read the room, Numbnuts.

 

[serial_thrilla]

Kennedy Parker I refer to the infraction listed above and the penalty that has been incorrectly applied.

There was no breach of the current rules as they are written as follows:


4B) Squad Changes

Any changes to the previous season's final squad must be listed in the current season's initial squad submission denoting the additions as "INs" and subtractions as "OUTs".

This has been done, as evidenced by our current squad listing. No dispute there.

If a change is required to a team list for any addition or subtraction it must be noted in a post in the current season's squad submission thread.

Which we have done. A big tick for us again.

The change must include alteration to the player list, and the list of any additions ("Ins") and subtractions ("Outs")

Which we have done. Another criteria met.

The initial squad submission must be altered (preferred) or re-posted (if original poster unavailable) to reflect these changes.

We used the initial post and altered that, as is the preferred method. Once again complied with the rules.


Squad changes are considered complete once both of these above actions have been carried out.

And here we seemed to have reached the point of contention. The squad change is only considered complete when the (in this case) permanently banned player is removed from the list and also noted as an out. This is further addressed below.


Any players that have closed or permanently banned accounts are not considered to be active and therefore those players must be removed from the submitted squad and the squad minimum criteria must still be met.

As you noted yourself, Sun Ra was removed from our submitted squad and we still meet the minimum number of eligible players for this season. Once again, within the rules.


So the only point of contention is at what time the change to the squad needs to be finalised. I have searched and failed to find where 6.05am on a Monday morning is mentioned in the rules as the cut off for squad changes.

As we were in the process of completing the squad changes as required by the rules, and within the timeframe required, it seems that an arbitrary cut off time has been used as a "gotcha" moment. In contravention of the accepted practice of making squad changes prior to the following weeks team submission deadline of Thursday nights, it seems the punishment meted out to the Baghdad Bombers was very premature and done erroneously.

We respectfully request you withdraw the penalties consisting of a strike and warning and save them for when we are genuinely in the wrong.

aka the Bombers would like an extension to their homework?

There's no weekly squad change deadline in the rules because the expectation is that you do it correctly the first time at the point you announce the change.

24 hours is a more than reasonable grace period, and I gave you more than that.

 

[Jabba73]

aka the Bombers would like an extension to their homework?

Nope, we were in the middle of the changes when you jumped the gun.

There's no weekly squad change deadline in the rules

Thank you for making my point for me.

because the expectation is that you do it correctly the first time at the point you announce the change.

Show me where is was announced that Sun Ra was permabanned. There is no notification from any of the Mods or Admin in the thread dedicated to this very thing.

We also did not make any announcement. We simply started the process of changing the squad when we noticed his account had been changed.

24 hours is a more than reasonable grace period,

Show me where it states 24 hours in the rules and I will agree that is reasonable.

When does this 24 hours start ... from when we hear he is banned, from when it is publicly announced, from when the change is commenced or from the point of time you pluck from thin air?

and I gave you more than that.

How very generous of you, I must have missed the election that put you in charge of enforcing the rules of the SFA.

 

[serial_thrilla]

Nope, we were in the middle of the changes when you jumped the gun.

You seriously expect us to believe that you were in the middle of a precisely-planned process of gradually editing your squad submission post over the course of several days, leading to your conceived "squad editing deadline" of the teamsheet deadline?

Get your hand off it mate.

 

[Kennedy Parker]

Kennedy Parker I refer to the infraction listed above and the penalty that has been incorrectly applied.

There was no breach of the current rules as they are written as follows:


4B) Squad Changes

Any changes to the previous season's final squad must be listed in the current season's initial squad submission denoting the additions as "INs" and subtractions as "OUTs".

This has been done, as evidenced by our current squad listing. No dispute there.

If a change is required to a team list for any addition or subtraction it must be noted in a post in the current season's squad submission thread.

Which we have done. A big tick for us again.

The change must include alteration to the player list, and the list of any additions ("Ins") and subtractions ("Outs")

Which we have done. Another criteria met.

The initial squad submission must be altered (preferred) or re-posted (if original poster unavailable) to reflect these changes.

We used the initial post and altered that, as is the preferred method. Once again complied with the rules.


Squad changes are considered complete once both of these above actions have been carried out.

And here we seemed to have reached the point of contention. The squad change is only considered complete when the (in this case) permanently banned player is removed from the list and also noted as an out. This is further addressed below.


Any players that have closed or permanently banned accounts are not considered to be active and therefore those players must be removed from the submitted squad and the squad minimum criteria must still be met.

As you noted yourself, Sun Ra was removed from our submitted squad and we still meet the minimum number of eligible players for this season. Once again, within the rules.


So the only point of contention is at what time the change to the squad needs to be finalised. I have searched and failed to find where 6.05am on a Monday morning is mentioned in the rules as the cut off for squad changes.

As we were in the process of completing the squad changes as required by the rules, and within the timeframe required, it seems that an arbitrary cut off time has been used as a "gotcha" moment. In contravention of the accepted practice of making squad changes prior to the following weeks team submission deadline of Thursday nights, it seems the punishment meted out to the Baghdad Bombers was very premature and done erroneously.

We respectfully request you withdraw the penalties consisting of a strike and warning and save them for when we are genuinely in the wrong.

Am flat out today and tomorrow

manangatang could you put this case to the committee for review and hold a tribunal hearing where appropriate?

Generally expected that captains will update the ins and outs, remove the player and notify the change to the squad in the one sequence of actions but there’s probably enough ambiguity in the language of the rules for an argument to be made

 

[King Tenz]

Follow the posting standards

There are posting standards?!

 

[Cadsky]

Oh the irony in this post.

Read the room, Numbnuts.

Oh I read it mate. Bombers club pulling each other off again

 

[Braklet]

Oh I read it mate. Bombers club pulling each other off again

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