Certified Legendary Thread Sack(ed) Hinkley 15 - The End

[Lockhart Road]

He went and Voss had to go along as his chaperone. It was the only time he did any professional development in his 13 seasons at Port.

He went. But he paid no attention.

 

[Jack_1870]

He went. But he paid no attention.

He didn't need too, he knows everything.

 

[Steve Dore]

He didn't need too, he knows everything.

He's been in football a long time.

 

[tribey]

Its funny to think that in another world, he gives it all in 2018, then has the integrity to realise he can't get the job done and walks out and becomes a Port legend in the media, while we have a new coach coming in and possibly actually capitalise on the opportunities in 2019-2024. True sliding doors moment.

He had to walk at the end of 2017 to have me retain any positive feelings towards him.

2015-2025 was relentless garbage, heartbreak and disappointment with absolutely everything tailored to making him happy/comfortable/rich give or take the installation of Michael Voss.

Baffling levels of dedication to torturous failure.

 

[Steve Dore]

He had to walk at the end of 2017 to have me retain any positive feelings towards him.

2015-2025 was relentless garbage, heartbreak and disappointment with absolutely everything tailored to making him happy/comfortable/rich give or take the installation of Michael Voss.

Baffling levels of dedication to torturous failure.

I was wanting him gone in 2016 but him asking to be released from his contract at the end of 2017 was when the club should have let him go. Instead David Koch and his board decided to piss another eight years up against the wall.

 

[240volt]

I was wanting him gone in 2016 but him asking to be released from his contract at the end of 2017 was when the club should have let him go. Instead David Koch and his board decided to piss another eight years up against the wall.

Very interesting what if.
If he left in 2017 I wonder who would have coached us in 2018 and if we would have done any better than preliminary finals.
You can speculate but we will never know.

 

[#Port Patriot#]

Very interesting what if.
If he left in 2017 I wonder who would have coached us in 2018 and if we would have done any better than preliminary finals.
You can speculate but we will never know.

Probably Chad Cornes

But, potentially Corey Enright returns to Port (even though he never played for the AFL side) but he was still assistant coach at Geelong and newish.

Maybe Fagan.

Carr was senior coach at North Adelaide 2nd year but won his premiership in 18

 

[Steve Dore]

Very interesting what if.
If he left in 2017 I wonder who would have coached us in 2018 and if we would have done any better than preliminary finals.
....

Whoever replaced Hinkley in 2018 would have made at least as many Grand Finals.

 

[GremioPower]

who would have coached us in 2018 and if we would have done any better than preliminary finals

2018: from 11-4 to miss Finals

 

[Hammer#8]

The Hawks EF and last round GC win was Do It For Daddy on steroids. Why he couldnt bottle those performances for the Ebert tribute game or home PFs just showed he only got the group up when HIS ego was bruised.

 

[240volt]

The Hawks EF and last round GC win was Do It For Daddy on steroids. Why he couldnt bottle those performances for the Ebert tribute game or home PFs just showed he only got the group up when HIS ego was bruised.

Your scenario leaves the players totally blameless for those horrible performances.
Basically the entire result is controlled totally by the coach.
The delusion is so ridiculous years ago people who thought like that got locked away at Glenside.

 

[240volt]

2018: from 11-4 to miss Finals

Yep we fell in a big hole for sure.
We was good enough to get to 11-4, Carr must have coached us the first 15 rounds if you believe in Big Footy

 

[GremioPower]

Yep we fell in a big hole for sure.
We was good enough to get to 11-4, Carr must have coached us the first 15 rounds if you believe in Big Footy

It was Hinkley, but the record felt odd. We were winning, but it wasn’t convincing. Then, we simply stopped winning…

 

[Hammer#8]

Your scenario leaves the players totally blameless for those horrible performances.
Basically the entire result is controlled totally by the coach.
The delusion is so ridiculous years ago people who thought like that got locked away at Glenside.

I expect high performance athletes to be able to perform. I disagree with a system that incentivises the players to get up only when the coach had his back against the wall. The players were part of a system which prompted onfield results that suited the needs of the coach firstly. The emotional swings and performance instability was the result of a system which enabled it. Not saying Carr will be a great coach, but he seems to be instilling consistent habits in the playing group, having them be more attuned to their performance. His temperament is more sustainable for my linking.

If theres evidence that the coach could influence the performance of our playing group, and couldnt/wouldnt do it for our most important games, I have an issue with that, which is why this thread exists.

 

[Scholz Supremacy]

Probably Chad Cornes

But, potentially Corey Enright returns to Port (even though he never played for the AFL side) but he was still assistant coach at Geelong and newish.

Maybe Fagan.

Carr was senior coach at North Adelaide 2nd year but won his premiership in 18

Chris Fagan was already coach of Brisbane in 2017.

Stewie Dew?

 

[240volt]

I expect high performance athletes to be able to perform. I disagree with a system that incentivises the players to get up only when the coach had his back against the wall. The players were part of a system which prompted onfield results that suited the needs of the coach firstly. The emotional swings and performance instability was the result of a system which enabled it. Not saying Carr will be a great coach, but he seems to be instilling consistent habits in the playing group, having them be more attuned to their performance. His temperament is more sustainable for my linking.

If theres evidence that the coach could influence the performance of our playing group, and couldnt/wouldnt do it for our most important games, I have an issue with that, which is why this thread exists.

The system doesn’t motivate players, the want to win should be in every player that steps on the ground like it’s been for over 100 years.
The problem now days is winning takes a back seat to money.
The players play for money not for the likes of you and me, if they happen to win that’s a bonus but the money is still there whenever they win or lose.
Those performances were disgraceful by the players.
The Ebert tribute game most probably the worst example.
Anyone who thinks the players needed motivation by some country bumpkin in a game that was for our greatest player to ever play for Port are just making up piss weak excuses.

 

[Scholz Supremacy]

Very interesting what if.
If he left in 2017 I wonder who would have coached us in 2018 and if we would have done any better than preliminary finals.
You can speculate but we will never know.

If not Stewie Dew then we would have most likely promoted Nathan Bassett.

 

[240volt]

If not Stewie Dew then we would have most likely promoted Nathan Bassett.

Yep under this admin there is a track record of promoting within or local.

 

[philreich]

Yep under this admin there is a track record of promoting within or local.

Which annoys me, given the rapid improvement in teams like Melbourne.

 

[Scholz Supremacy]

Yep under this admin there is a track record of promoting within or local.

If not then Blake Caracella was one of the most highly regarded assistants at the time.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

If Hinkley/Koch had walked at the end of 2018 would we have chased Butters and Rozee as hard as we did? We'd have a club coached by the likes of Voss, Brad Scott or Ratten. It's not an exciting timeline lol.

 

[240volt]

If not then Blake Caracella was one of the most highly regarded assistants at the time.

Yeah his name always came up even for Vic jobs but never got the call.

 

[240volt]

Which annoys me, given the rapid improvement in teams like Melbourne.

We have always had this country team mentality since Koch took over.
Like when we need a new coach it’s like let’s get one of the locals to coach.
We complain the AFL treats us like a bush league side but we don’t do much to change that thinking with our current administration.

 

[philreich]

We have always had this country team mentality since Koch took over.
Like when we need a new coach it’s like let’s get one of the locals to coach.
We complain the AFL treats us like a bush league side but we don’t do much to change that thinking with our current administration.

Yeah I don't get it. Guys like Stephen King come to a new club with a whole new set of ideas - small sample size I know, but the gamble to install him as senior coach seems to be reaping dividends.

 

[tribey]

If Hinkley/Koch had walked at the end of 2018 would we have chased Butters and Rozee as hard as we did? We'd have a club coached by the likes of Voss, Brad Scott or Ratten. It's not an exciting timeline lol.

Butters was our natural pick, so that’s neither here nor there. If he’d been identified as a potential gun onballer available around that pick, you’d assume his name still gets called regardless.

Polec was always going to leave after being courted with that huge free agency offer from North, so the pick that was subsequently flipped and upgraded to the one that landed Rozee is at least in the realms of possibility regardless of what any new coach’s input to its use happens to be.

Maybe the new guy would’ve preferred Ben King?

The only concrete sliding doors alternative is maybe Wingard stays if Chad Cornes joins the coaching exodus, and we miss out on Xavier Duursma/Brandon Zerk-Thatcher and Ryan Burton.

In which case: <ohno_jeremyclarkson.gif>