Roast Sack Lade as forwards coach

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El_Scorcho

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I love Brendan Lade like a brother, but he simply must be moved on.

Our forward entry has been s**t for years. It's undeniable.

In 2014 we looked great going forward because our running power meant we'd have options everywhere, and even if we didn't, we had Schulz and Wingard slotting them like clockwork from the 3rd row.

In 2015 when we started to have to contend regularly with teams who would sit back on us and deny us the slingshot, we had no answers. It's been 4 frustrating as heck years watching an increasingly talented forwardline struggle to have much impact at all because of the lack of structure and support, to the point where during this year both Chad Wingard and Charlie Dixon have been subject to calls for an SANFL stint.

However that ultimately is based on an overly defensive overall team strategy, and is ultimately not Lade's fault. He's expected to do a lot without much support up there.

What is Lade's fault is the obviously coached decision making once we get within range, with 2 particular issues that have cropped up this year grinding my gears down to a barely protruding nub.


Issue 1 - The thing about Port Adelaide is, they always try'n walk it in.


There appears to have been some sort of recognition over the off season that we take a lot of low percentage shots, and that's why we're inaccurate.

The apparent solution to this has been to try to generate higher percentage shots, but not by something as bold as say, keeping players forward, or using team movement to create leading space, no. It's been to get into a position where we have a low to medium percentage shot, and then dink the ball to a congested area 25m out straight in front.

This has been an abject failure. What usually results is that we give up a shot from 50m on a medium angle for what is essentially maybe a 25% chance of the likes of Dixon clunking a pack mark and then having a shot from 25m at no angle.

I just don't think it's a higher percentage option in any way to repeatedly sacrifice a shot at goal for a low percentage chance of a better shot at goal.

You'd hope AFL footballers can make the distance from 50m. If you're in range with a mark or free kick, unless there is someone in an acre of space by himself in a better position, take the f***ing shot. If the F50 is congested, take the shot.



Issue 2 - The checksides from slight angles when a drop punt would be a far better option

While i'll admit this isn't only a Port Adelaide problem, can we f*** this stupid idea off for good?

Again, in theory it makes sense. If you're on a slight angle, the checkside opens up the goalface for you.

The glaringly obvious issue to literally everyone watching is, that a checkside brings in an entire new variable to the shot, which is the curl of the ball through the air. Now instead of just having to kick it with the right accuracy hard enough that it will go through, you need to combine a specific accuracy AND a specific distance or it won't go through.

Some players are great at checksides and can kick them reliably. Those players should go for it. For other players, like a certain future number 1 with minutes to go in a Showdown, should just kick a f***ing drop punt.

While traditionally, you'd think of something like that as something that would have the forwards coach tearing strips off of Ollie, instead we got this, as posted by Nemesis in the Wines thread.

Probably has been mentioned but Lade was interviewed and asked about the Ollie kick.
He said he would have kicked a drop punt in his playing days ... BUT he would have kicked a around the corner kick if he was playing today... I rest my case.

I mean f***. It's literally your job to teach players about good forward craft. Why are they getting away with increasing the degree of difficulty on their set shots for no good reason? Why are our players so low on confidence with their set shots that one of them would checkside from 20m out on a slight angle?



These two issues are completely within the remit of Brendon Lade as a forwards coach. We're getting them wrong. It's obvious we're getting them wrong. It hasn't been working all year. We struggle to score enough with our gameplan without introducing these dumb, low percentage options to our scoring opportunities.

Move Lade elsewhere or move him on.
 

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The snap is an OK option in dry sunny conditions. After dark in 10 degrees on a dewy ground? Hell no.

Other coaches need to move on before Lade does. His issues stem from gameplan and strategy further up the ground. Hard to lead into space when opponents have an eternity to set up a wall across the 50 and float back into space.
 
The snap is an OK option in dry sunny conditions. After dark in 10 degrees on a dewy ground? Hell no.

Other coaches need to move on before Lade does. His issues stem from gameplan and strategy further up the ground. Hard to lead into space when opponents have an eternity to set up a wall across the 50 and float back into space.

It’s ok if your Chad Wingard, Robbie Gray (who chose to drop punt anyway from further out) Watts or possibly even Farrel and you have a high enough skill level to execute the kick.

Players need to know their limitations, mines should have had the drop punt or looked to pass it off (by hand or foot)
 
It’s ok if your Chad Wingard, Robbie Gray (who chose to drop punt anyway from further out) Watts or possibly even Farrel and you have a high enough skill level to execute the kick.

Players need to know their limitations, mines should have had the drop punt or looked to pass it off (by hand or foot)
If Ollie played to his limitations he would never kick the footy again.
 
I love Brendan Lade like a brother, but he simply must be moved on.

Our forward entry has been s**t for years. It's undeniable.

In 2014 we looked great going forward because our running power meant we'd have options everywhere, and even if we didn't, we had Schulz and Wingard slotting them like clockwork from the 3rd row.

In 2015 when we started to have to contend regularly with teams who would sit back on us and deny us the slingshot, we had no answers. It's been 4 frustrating as heck years watching an increasingly talented forwardline struggle to have much impact at all because of the lack of structure and support, to the point where during this year both Chad Wingard and Charlie Dixon have been subject to calls for an SANFL stint.

However that ultimately is based on an overly defensive overall team strategy, and is ultimately not Lade's fault. He's expected to do a lot without much support up there.

What is Lade's fault is the obviously coached decision making once we get within range, with 2 particular issues that have cropped up this year grinding my gears down to a barely protruding nub.


Issue 1 - The thing about Port Adelaide is, they always try'n walk it in.


There appears to have been some sort of recognition over the off season that we take a lot of low percentage shots, and that's why we're inaccurate.

The apparent solution to this has been to try to generate higher percentage shots, but not by something as bold as say, keeping players forward, or using team movement to create leading space, no. It's been to get into a position where we have a low to medium percentage shot, and then dink the ball to a congested area 25m out straight in front.

This has been an abject failure. What usually results is that we give up a shot from 50m on a medium angle for what is essentially maybe a 25% chance of the likes of Dixon clunking a pack mark and then having a shot from 25m at no angle.

I just don't think it's a higher percentage option in any way to repeatedly sacrifice a shot at goal for a low percentage chance of a better shot at goal.

You'd hope AFL footballers can make the distance from 50m. If you're in range with a mark or free kick, unless there is someone in an acre of space by himself in a better position, take the f***ing shot. If the F50 is congested, take the shot.



Issue 2 - The checksides from slight angles when a drop punt would be a far better option

While i'll admit this isn't only a Port Adelaide problem, can we f*** this stupid idea off for good?

Again, in theory it makes sense. If you're on a slight angle, the checkside opens up the goalface for you.

The glaringly obvious issue to literally everyone watching is, that a checkside brings in an entire new variable to the shot, which is the curl of the ball through the air. Now instead of just having to kick it with the right accuracy hard enough that it will go through, you need to combine a specific accuracy AND a specific distance or it won't go through.

Some players are great at checksides and can kick them reliably. Those players should go for it. For other players, like a certain future number 1 with minutes to go in a Showdown, should just kick a f***ing drop punt.

While traditionally, you'd think of something like that as something that would have the forwards coach tearing strips off of Ollie, instead we got this, as posted by Nemesis in the Wines thread.



I mean f***. It's literally your job to teach players about good forward craft. Why are they getting away with increasing the degree of difficulty on their set shots for no good reason? Why are our players so low on confidence with their set shots that one of them would checkside from 20m out on a slight angle?



These two issues are completely within the remit of Brendon Lade as a forwards coach. We're getting them wrong. It's obvious we're getting them wrong. It hasn't been working all year. We struggle to score enough with our gameplan without introducing these dumb, low percentage options to our scoring opportunities.

Move Lade elsewhere or move him on.
You are missing the influence of our new data analyst who pours over the goal kicking data with the coaches weekly. It just isn’t working.
 

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Rewrite history, why dont you!

He was of only a few assistant coaches that Richmond offered 1 year contracts to ... He rejected their offer to return home to Port.

But, go right ahead .....

A 1 year contract is hardly a massive endorsement.
Obviously they thought he was good enough to keep around, but even more obvious they didn't have him as part of their long term plans. Why?
Why would they offer him only 1 year, and keep their options open, knowing if he got a better offer from another club he'd likely take it and leave....?

Sometimes you have to remove those rose(or teal) tinted glasses and look at things from a neutral perspective.

We've got a s**t coaching panel surrounding Hinkley. And many obviously feel Hinkley him self is the problem.
The drop off was obvious when we lost two quality assistants by the end of 2014.

Where's the confident football gone? Can you honestly say you turn up to a game, or turn the tv/radio/afl live app on, and sit there with confidence that we will win comfortably? Because you'd be about the only supporter who does.

When we win the ball in the middle of the ground, are you confident our midfielders will get the ball forward quickly to our forwards? Are you confident our tall forwards will take strong marks over their opponents? Are you confident our small forwards will work their magic and run rings around defenders to score?
Are you confident our defenders will stand tall against their opponents?

Because most supporters aren't. And they aren't confident because the team isn't playing strong, consistent, confident football anymore.
We don't know which Port Adelaide is going to turn up. It's like a really bad case of split personality disorder with this club.

Cool, we were up there for a period this year challenging for a top 2/4 position...but look at the table this year, it's pretty even and very tight.
Sure we aren't out of the top 4 race, small chance of top 2, but let's not kid our selves, the way this team plays, we will be lucky to finish above 8th.

Last year we simply made up the numbers in the finals, and this year(if we make it) we will again be there just to make up the numbers. Not good enough. We aren't one of those crappy franchises who thinks success is making the finals.

23 to 31 scoring shots on the weekend. We can blame the umpires all we want for the loss, but we lost it our selves. That's not to say the umpiring decision at the end didn't cost us the win, it obviously did as we were in front till that s**t house review. But we shouldn't have been in a position where a s**t house decision by the *heads in green could cost us the game. We should have been well in front of the *silly people from the swamp so that the other *silly people in green couldn't screw us over.

They can make all the s**t house and questionable decisions they want. But they can't do anything about us kicking that red ******* ball between the two big posts more then the opposition, now can they...
 
I love Brendan Lade like a brother, but he simply must be moved on.

Our forward entry has been s**t for years. It's undeniable.

In 2014 we looked great going forward because our running power meant we'd have options everywhere, and even if we didn't, we had Schulz and Wingard slotting them like clockwork from the 3rd row.

In 2015 when we started to have to contend regularly with teams who would sit back on us and deny us the slingshot, we had no answers. It's been 4 frustrating as heck years watching an increasingly talented forwardline struggle to have much impact at all because of the lack of structure and support, to the point where during this year both Chad Wingard and Charlie Dixon have been subject to calls for an SANFL stint.

However that ultimately is based on an overly defensive overall team strategy, and is ultimately not Lade's fault. He's expected to do a lot without much support up there.

What is Lade's fault is the obviously coached decision making once we get within range, with 2 particular issues that have cropped up this year grinding my gears down to a barely protruding nub.


Issue 1 - The thing about Port Adelaide is, they always try'n walk it in.


There appears to have been some sort of recognition over the off season that we take a lot of low percentage shots, and that's why we're inaccurate.

The apparent solution to this has been to try to generate higher percentage shots, but not by something as bold as say, keeping players forward, or using team movement to create leading space, no. It's been to get into a position where we have a low to medium percentage shot, and then dink the ball to a congested area 25m out straight in front.

This has been an abject failure. What usually results is that we give up a shot from 50m on a medium angle for what is essentially maybe a 25% chance of the likes of Dixon clunking a pack mark and then having a shot from 25m at no angle.

I just don't think it's a higher percentage option in any way to repeatedly sacrifice a shot at goal for a low percentage chance of a better shot at goal.

You'd hope AFL footballers can make the distance from 50m. If you're in range with a mark or free kick, unless there is someone in an acre of space by himself in a better position, take the f***ing shot. If the F50 is congested, take the shot.



Issue 2 - The checksides from slight angles when a drop punt would be a far better option

While i'll admit this isn't only a Port Adelaide problem, can we f*** this stupid idea off for good?

Again, in theory it makes sense. If you're on a slight angle, the checkside opens up the goalface for you.

The glaringly obvious issue to literally everyone watching is, that a checkside brings in an entire new variable to the shot, which is the curl of the ball through the air. Now instead of just having to kick it with the right accuracy hard enough that it will go through, you need to combine a specific accuracy AND a specific distance or it won't go through.

Some players are great at checksides and can kick them reliably. Those players should go for it. For other players, like a certain future number 1 with minutes to go in a Showdown, should just kick a f***ing drop punt.

While traditionally, you'd think of something like that as something that would have the forwards coach tearing strips off of Ollie, instead we got this, as posted by Nemesis in the Wines thread.



I mean f***. It's literally your job to teach players about good forward craft. Why are they getting away with increasing the degree of difficulty on their set shots for no good reason? Why are our players so low on confidence with their set shots that one of them would checkside from 20m out on a slight angle?



These two issues are completely within the remit of Brendon Lade as a forwards coach. We're getting them wrong. It's obvious we're getting them wrong. It hasn't been working all year. We struggle to score enough with our gameplan without introducing these dumb, low percentage options to our scoring opportunities.

Move Lade elsewhere or move him on.
There is nothing much left to say on this, but the TIMING of the thread is awkward. We just lost a game in which we have scored more goals than our opponents. Moreover, many of our goals came from the goal square after great ball movement; our transition forward was beautiful.

Our offense WORKED on Saturday. If it wasn't for our forward line, we would be talking about an ugly loss; not a disappointing one.
 
Move Lade elsewhere or move him on.

Agree with everything you've written, and not only should he be moved on, there needs to be a serious review of our coach recruitment strategies and the processes used to ensure we get the most successful and qualified candidates in any given position.

Lade coming back to be forwards coach off the back of being turfed out of Richmond smacks of a jobs-for-the-boys mentality. He never even played as a forward for Christ's sake, and at Richmond he was ruck/midfield coach, so where are his qualifications to be our forward coach? What evidence is there that he was best available at the time of the appointment?

We can either be a multi-million dollar professional organisation or we can be a mates' club with minimal accountability and jobs for the boys. Can't have it both ways.
 
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Seriously though. If he picked up an 8-ball right now, It should be telling him to prepare for the worst. I think he's going to be sacked.
 
There is nothing much left to say on this, but the TIMING of the thread is awkward. We just lost a game in which we have scored more goals than our opponents. Moreover, many of our goals came from the goal square after great ball movement; our transition forward was beautiful.

Our offense WORKED on Saturday. If it wasn't for our forward line, we would be talking about an ugly loss; not a disappointing one.
Yes it worked..now to combine the defence and offence seamlessly
 
There is nothing much left to say on this, but the TIMING of the thread is awkward. We just lost a game in which we have scored more goals than our opponents. Moreover, many of our goals came from the goal square after great ball movement; our transition forward was beautiful.

Our offense WORKED on Saturday. If it wasn't for our forward line, we would be talking about an ugly loss; not a disappointing one.

*checks percentage*
*checks points scored for the year*

Lolwut
 

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