I was concerned how this would go this year - Ryder/Marshall combo being the biggest concern but boy were most of us wrong about that. Hanners popping in and out of the side - adding 4 others to our best 22 (2 of which went on to finish 2nd and 3rd in our B&F).The question will be whether the coach can get all these blokes playing cohesive team footy or whether it will be a collection of individuals.
The 80-120 game player group are usually the improvers ...I was stoked to be back in finals this year but I am concerned about the ceiling this group has without additional star power, which we're running out of money/picks to trade for. Unlike a lot of sports where you can entirely construct a side through trade/FA, every AFL premiership side has been built from a core of players drafted to that club. Even Hawthorn although they had a lot of top up players during the threepeat, the core was still guys who were drafted there. I think to push us over the edge we need a lot of improvement to come from guys like Gresham, Clark, Billings and Corfield.
If I had to make a prediction now to be on record, I'd say this model will lead to them being competitive and win some finals with that list, but I dont think its the way to a flag.I'm thinking the Saints current list Is the most interesting in the comp.
In their best 22 u have:
Carlisle Howard Hill Steele Jones Higgins Butler Membrey Ryder Hannerbery Crouch.
That's 11 blokes.
Half the side.
Throw in Kent, McKernan and Frawley as 3 emergencies.
The last decade of premiership sides have had between 2 and 6 players recruited from outside.
Now this makes sense. The old model of draft kids and build a side is much bloody harder since GC and GWS have managed to dominate the draft and been gifted young talent.
Some clubs like Demons and Blues have tried the old model and found it hard.
Some clubs like Geelong have rejected it outright.
Now GWS and GC are competitive no doubt this model will return with glory. The Swans are now going back to this for example.
But in the here and now, do the Saints have it right??
If they sneak a flag it will be with half a side of recruits.
Not saying they won't.. Just saying it would be a huge difference from the recent norm.
Bloody interested to find out.
Thoughts on this ?
That depends how many of King, Gresham, Howard, Wilkie, Butler, Marshall, Clark, Coffield, Battle, Paton etc become A graders.unfortunately not enoughA graders in their home grown players for the policy to be truly succ
Semi final at best squad
Interesting take. For us next year, those in the best 22 would be:The 80-120 game player group are usually the improvers ...
My comment was about when you can get 'break out' years, its no guarantee.Interesting take. For us next year, those in the best 22 would be:
Crouch (outlier because of injury)
Personally I would have said 50 -100 (commentators always seem to say 50, and I feel like 3-5 years in the system and playing AFL is about right).
That would have added:
Higgins (although he is fringe 22)
That means of our best 22, approx 14 will be between 50 and 150 games next year. Pretty confident in the core of that group (along with Billings, Hill and Max King) to take us forward across the next 5 years.
As noted above, the age thing is just skewed because we are running 3 list spots short. Add in the 2 or 3 18-21 year olds we will take mid season after looking at exposed form (and take out Frawley and McKernan who were added for depth), and we are back to being close to the youngest side again.
We tried going pretty much all kids between 2011 and 2016ish. I absolutely did not work and we spent a decade wandering around aimlessly. Pretty sure 99% of Saints fans are very comfortable with the current strategy
Rowan Marshall says helloAfter so many years out of finals saints needed to make them urgently... they couldn’t afford another couple years in the wilderness, hence so many imports.
unfortunately not enoughA graders in their home grown players for the policy to be truly succ
Semi final at best squad
Not entirely. We spent 3 years winding down the team, letting Goddard and Dal Santo go in the process. By 2013 we still had the 5th oldest team from memory. After Milne, Kosi and Blake retired, we were suddenly a team made up mostly of young players and hit rock bottom in the 2nd half of the 2014 season.We tried going pretty much all kids between 2011 and 2016ish. I absolutely did not work and we spent a decade wandering around aimlessly. Pretty sure 99% of Saints fans are very comfortable with the current strategy
Would be pretty damn unusual for a team that fielded on average the 3rd youngest team in the comp, with a core young group coming through together, and NONE of the top 7 in the B&F over the age of 26, to have peaked (having made the semis last season).Semi final at best squad
Given the fact we just won a final and were then generally highly competitive against the eventual premier in the semi (expected scores 77 to 72, had both teams kicked at the league average, from where they had their shots), despite being so much further from full strength than them, and have since added Crouch and Higgins, I don't think we're as far away as most probably think.I was stoked to be back in finals this year but I am concerned about the ceiling this group has without additional star power, which we're running out of money/picks to trade for.
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ya chu sécu and winding up.. shatterYou're not over it at 30, but you start rolling the dice on your decline. Some play a few years of good football, but gradually injuries, etc. catch up. Some decline gradually, others quicker.
How did Hawkins 'debunk that myth'? He had a good year, but it was hardly groundbreaking.