SALADA/VladFL: Slap on the wrist. - STRICTLY ESSENDON SUPPORTERS ONLY

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Added my comments to the above.

Surely there aren't leaks coming out of a closed commission hearing. I am hoping against hope what we are hearing is nothing more than rumour. Robbo eluded to the fact that he just doesn't know what is going on in there so how can anyone else? If the AFL is leaking from within the hearing then EFC need to just walk out.

Under an assumption of the hearing being closed and no leaks occurring, I can only think of 2 scenarios here:
  1. The AFL has produced ASADA based evidence that we had no clue about and have the wood over us
  2. We are fighting the charges with clear evidence forcing a rethink from all concerned. This is our 1st chance to produce our evidence on our terms since this started and to get it out of the way in 1 day is a farcical thought.
Isn't that illegal?
 

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Couple of things about general comments made by several media people in the last week that made me lol.

1: The public turned on Hird after call from the mother, LMAO

2: The legal bills will cripple essendon if they fight it, this is a opinion but Im very confident more supporters will get behind the club with membership and donations, if the club fights these charges especially the stripping of points and suspension of Hird. Its too easy just change it to the "fight plan"
 
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Does anyone believe that the AFL will ever bring charges against Evans, Robson, Hamilton, Dank or Robinson?
That to me is the major failing in the way the charges are being dealt with. By ignoring them the full blame is being put on the guys remaining. It goes back to what Mark Thompson stated last night, the responsibility should be shared between a number of individuals in the whole team. The focus on Hird only is ridiculous.

The other things that is being ignored is the AFL's own role in the saga. If the AFL were concerned enough to meet with Hird and warn him against use of peptides (which Hird has allegedly denied he was warned btw), why was there no follow up to it? Surely due process should have been written confirmation of the issues after the meeting. This definitely shows a lack of governance on the AFLs side, especially since this happened within their integrity unit, which heck, this is the pure reason that this unit exists. Not like a coaching panel whose reason to exist is to explore ways to improve a teams performance.

How much did the AFL know a well? Its well known that Demetrio in 2012 publically aired regrets about the increased influence of sports scientists, yet it seems they are taking no ownership and responsibility for what happened. They had to make changes to their own regulations and procedures after the case came to light, so obviously there was failings there.

Its very obvious the charges are lacking context, and are angled at a trying to achieve a certain outcome, rather than letting natural justice occur.
 

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Does anybody have any connections wih a pizza shop?

If they're still there tonight I'd like to organise a delivery of a couple of dozen empty boxes.

That or put still frozen supermarket pizzas in them.
Ill buy anyone an Essendon membership next season if they can show footage of themselves egging the media pack waiting outside AFL house.
 

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Added my comments to the above.

Surely there aren't leaks coming out of a closed commission hearing. I am hoping against hope what we are hearing is nothing more than rumour. Robbo eluded to the fact that he just doesn't know what is going on in there so how can anyone else? If the AFL is leaking from within the hearing then EFC need to just walk out.

Under an assumption of the hearing being closed and no leaks occurring, I can only think of 2 scenarios here:
  1. The AFL has produced ASADA based evidence that we had no clue about and have the wood over us
  2. We are fighting the charges with clear evidence forcing a rethink from all concerned. This is our 1st chance to produce our evidence on our terms since this started and to get it out of the way in 1 day is a farcical thought.
Sorry but that just isn't possible. All the evidence that ASADA gave the AFL was given available in the report.

I'd say that Essendon is rebutting much of the "charges". The commission may or may not be listening. Obviously the AFL executive is acting as prosecution.

I really feel sorry for Vlad or Gillon if they run into Tania in a hallway today. Super fit lady and I'd love to see her kick one in the head like Trinity would.
 

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Couple of things about general comments made by several media people in the last week that made me lol.

1: The public turned on Hird after call from the mother, LMAO

2: The legal bills will cripple essendon if they fight it, this is a opinion but Im very confident more supporters will get behind the club with membership and donations, if the club fights these charges especially the stripping of points and suspension of Hird. Its too easy just change it to the "fight plan"
The media are delusional. Essendon is a rich, rich club with some wealthy staff and coteries members. Legal fees are spare change in the car console for Essendon
 
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Sorry but that just isn't possible. All the evidence that ASADA gave the AFL was given available in the report.

I'd say that Essendon is rebutting much of the "charges". The commission may or may not be listening. Obviously the AFL executive is acting as prosecution.

I really feel sorry for Vlad or Gillon if they run into Tania in a hallway today. Super fit lady and I'd love to see her kick one in the head like Trinity would.
I am just hoping that faced with actual arguments, obviously intelligent people like Linda Dessau and Mike Fitzpatrick are not able to back up Vlad and his gimp.
Its not beyond possibility.
 

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My theory is simply that non-Essendon people don't have anything to lose in this saga, and so they don't have the motivation to fully understand the issues from both sides - many of them are happy to go with whatever opinion the media provides them with, especially if it aligns with and reinforces a pre-existing dislike of Essendon / Hird.
This post sums it up perfectly. Also people who don't follow footy form their opinion from one dramatic news headline as they aren't interested in reading about the truth.
 

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Possibly - but I don't think the club's going to play chicken with our players' futures.

If the ASADA investigation yielded clear findings, one way or another, the AFL wouldn't have been able to sway them one way or the other. The facts would have stood up on their own, for or against us. My theory is that the ASADA investigation was not cut and dried, and so then, the AFL had a bit more of a say in the matter. In effect - the AFL may have said, look, let the players off, and we'll make sure that the club and responsible individuals are adequately punished. On the other hand, the league will be telling the club that if they don't bend to the AFL's will, ASADA will likely impose infraction notices. Just a theory - absolutely no facts to back it up.
 
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