SALADA/VladFL: Slap on the wrist. - STRICTLY ESSENDON SUPPORTERS ONLY

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HUN article on David Evans' statement quotes from Richard Ings' twitter. What an absolute howler. Ings has been barracking so hard for ASADA, or more for Essendon to go down and refused to acknowledge ASADA's contribution to the ACC report, continually referring to it as the ACC being "sloppy" and bleating on like a madman.
 

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As a supporter of this club, it has been incredibly difficult and the emotion you feel about the situation changes on a daily basis.

What I have been astonished by is the performance of the players. Could you imagine if we had a crap season this year and were losing most weeks, imagine how soul destroying it would be for the club and the media would have gone even harder. The players resilience to get on with the job, mostly ignore the media that has been printed and spoken, the investigation and continue to win has been nothing short of fantastic.

We all hope desperately that we get off without suspensions or loss of points because the players deserve the chance to play finals this season.

This season will be one none of us forget any time soon and there are still some big stories to come from it.

I was thinking about this today.

Whatever happens, I really feel that this is going to develop an 'us against them' mentality that Collingwood have used to great effect.

Personally, I'm more passionate now because of all the blind hatred and vitriol that I see being spewed around these boards. It really makes me want to stick it right up em! The wins this year, particularly last week, have been so emotional because of what's going on and the fact that they've been hard fought. I see our team becoming really galvanized by this and going on to great things.

The best part about it is that it's being driven mainly by the media and opposition fans. How sweet will it be when we emerge from this even stronger?
 

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Since Fairfax Media first approached Essendon in April about the possible use of Thymosin beta-4, the club has maintained its belief that only the WADA-safe Thymosin alpha was used. However, sources with a knowledge of the progress of the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigation believe there is a strong circumstantial case mounting to suggest the ''Thymosin peptide'' referred to in the Essendon invoice was beta-4.

Emails in January last year between Essendon's former sports scientist Stephen Dank and biochemist Shane Charter show the pair discussing the provision and best use of Thymosin beta-4. The emails do not refer to Essendon.

One email shows Charter, who has become a key ASADA witness, advising Dank to inject the drug once a week for six weeks and then once a month to get the ''best results''. This advice is repeated in consent forms given by Dank to Essendon players last year for the injection of a substance referred to in the forms simply as ''Thymosin''. ''The recommendation for the following intervention for you: 1 Thymosin injection once a week for six weeks and then 1 injection per month,'' the consent form states.

A Thymosin consent form obtained by Fairfax Media was signed by Dank and witnessed by suspended fitness chief Dean Robinson. It was not signed by club doctor Bruce Reid.
No Doc Reid signature = no injections.

 

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Not that I give credence to anything anyone ever says anymore, but what is the S2 clause?
Not sure if you wanted the legal guff or a basic list of what its for

Its a set of guidelines, clarifications and a prohibited list of substances/Peptides that vary or may have been modified for diffetent effect that basicly promotes gh via pituitary gland stimilation which may ( lol ) or may not control many systems in the body, elevated naturally produced HGH > Fatloss, muscle growth, insulin sensitivity..

Very grey area science which many believe are inferior to synthetics as far as impact which opens a debate of should they be considered legal in sport as recovery... much more trials need to be done to determine saftey (remember many are prescribed)

Whats interesting is they are legal in some sport such as the UFC...

Thats a basic summary... it get much more interesting delving into how they work :) id take 1
or 2 of them for some of the health benifits alone if proven safe...


S2. Peptide Hormones, Growth Factors and Related Substances

If a Substance or Method is not defined in this list, please verify with your Anti-Doping Organization.
The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:

Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)]
Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males
Corticotrophins
Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching
and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).
 

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CARO MELDRUM-HANNA: How then were peptides applied? Because the suggestion is that peptides were applied intravenously.

STEVE DANK: No, there was no intravenous application of peptides whatsoever.


Remember that guys? Oh dank.
 

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So how would a player be able to check the legality if this was the only thing stated in the consent form?

" injection of a substance referred to in the forms simply as ''Thymosin''
 

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Asada has known about those emails since may 8. It's July 5 now and the only thing that has change is our confidence on the scandal.

That's gotta tell you something.
 
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That finally beings Robinson into the equation if he was the one to sign those Thymosin forms. Maybe his role was helping out with the stuff that Dank thought Reid wouldn't be cool with.

I assume we'd have a pretty strong case for suing Dank if it is shown he went rogue and breached the guidelines he'd been given by the club?
 

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Yay a new revelation that was actually known months ago.

Honestly whats with the age just saying "it is understood" over and over again.
At least put some semblence of a source in your story. They are reporting what happened in interviews etc but not providing a source.
 

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TIm Watson on sen saying he echoes Patrick smiths comments that the medias commentary has been as shallow as the wada investigation has been deep.

He essentially said if people have made there mind up and the case is so black and white what will they say if essendon are cleared?
 

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One thing is for sure, since Barrett said this on Thursday night and it will be in the papers tomorrow, we will win by 10+ goals on Sunday..
It Is a Sunday game, not sure if the performancing enhancing effects of the articles will last that long? Might need another injection of hysteria Saturday morning To get the players pepped up.
 

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HUN article on David Evans' statement quotes from Richard Ings' twitter. What an absolute howler. Ings has been barracking so hard for ASADA, or more for Essendon to go down and refused to acknowledge ASADA's contribution to the ACC report, continually referring to it as the ACC being "sloppy" and bleating on like a madman.
The blame game has begun.
 

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Just reread an earlier article, ACC confirming ASADA advised them on the status of AOD 9604. One would assume they advised EFC the same. The wording used in the ACC report is very 'loose'.

This sought of franks Lance' post yesterday re RD.
"The ACC sought expert advice from the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority (ASADA) at the time of developing the Organised Crime and Drugs in Sport report and was advised (correctly) that AOD-9604 is not currently prohibited under category S2 of the WADA prohibited list."
http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...plement-aod-9604/story-fni5f6kv-1226669514497

WADA's S2 category is for performance-enhancing drugs. AOD9604 is banned under WADA's less serious SO category, which covers drugs that may not be performance-enhancing but are not approved for human use.
 

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To me it's clear that ACC did not screw up in the sense that they published exactly what they were advised by ASADA. They've stopped short of directly blaming ASADA.

The ACC report at the bottom of page 4 also nominates ASADA as their reference. It's not a matter of failure to research when you have the supposed SME advising you.
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As reported, ASADA told the ACC that AOD-9604 wasn't prohibited under S2. The ACC then published that it wasn't prohibited (at all) - this is not a valid interpretation.

If I ask you about the legal status of alcohol, and you say 'it's not legal to sell to minors' and I report this as 'it's not legal to sell' and say you were my source, that'd still be *my* error.
 

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The way that S0 is worded, something can only be caught by S0 if it is *not* caught by S1, S2, S3, etc.
So if WADA are maintaining that AOD-9604 is caught by S0, they are effectively admitting it does *not* fall under S1, S2, S3, etc.

So if WADA / ASADA lose the S0 argument, they can't then try to fall back to an S2 (for example) argument.
 

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This morning's article is more of a concern IMO. If Dank asked Charter for advice on how to administer TB4 and that advice is what appears on the consent forms it's not unreasonable to infer that the "Thymosin" referred to is TB4.
 
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