SALADA/VladFL: Slap on the wrist. - STRICTLY ESSENDON SUPPORTERS ONLY

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Dank's text messages would add far far far more to the investigation than a Dank interview
Potentially, yes, and Dank can be compelled to hand over documents (e.g. records of text messages, if he has them) and can't use the potential for self-incrimination as grounds to refuse.

If he does hand them over there are limits to whether / when those documents can be used against him in court though.

13D Self-incrimination​
(1) An individual is excused from complying with a requirement to​
answer a question or to give information if the answer to the​
question or the information might tend to incriminate the​
individual or expose the individual to a penalty.​
(1A) A person is not excused from producing a document or thing as
required by a disclosure notice given to the person on the ground
that the document or thing might tend to incriminate the person or
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I didn't say public opinion was the only thing the AFL cares about, just that it does (significantly) influence AFL decision making. This is why public opinion on the drugs saga matters unfortunately.

As you've alluded to with membership numbers, it's giving the public what it wants that has made the AFL so popular, not following principles and upholding standards.
Cronulla seen as the most deceitful club in Australian sport, a new survey reveals

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/cr...w-survey-reveals/story-fndujljl-1226674500708

I have not seen this mentioned so I thought I would post a link, it is primary about Cronulla but also mentions Essendon, also I noticed the name of the pollsters "Gemba wasn't/isn,t that Hirdy's company.
 

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I think Essendon was taking AOD but Dank wanted to inject stuff that was illegal like Thymosin but Doc Reid found out that the stuff was banned and told Hirdy to stop the program before it went into the players body which lead to Danks sacking.
 

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I think Essendon was taking AOD but Dank wanted to inject stuff that was illegal like Thymosin but Doc Reid found out that the stuff was banned and told Hirdy to stop the program before it went into the players body which lead to Danks sacking.
Dank was sacked for irregularities in his budget
 

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Seriously guys stop worrying about this Thymosin beta 4 that is illegal under S2, while players seem to have admitted something to do with AOD, if they had admitted to taking Thymosin beta 4 they would have already been charged!
 

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Seriously guys stop worrying about this Thymosin beta 4 that is illegal under S2, while players seem to have admitted something to do with AOD, if they had admitted to taking Thymosin beta 4 they would have already been charged!
I would be very surprised if ASADA decided to charge people before the investigation is over, so you can strike that out already, unless I missed something and the investigation finished.

But also did you even read the article? Players can't admit to having taken Thymosin Beta because all the players were told is that they took "a substance referred to...simply as Thymosin". That's what it was called on the form. Not Thymosin Beta or Thymosin Alpha. Thymosin. Unsurprisingly, the players testimony on the subject of Thymosin is described as vague. Of course it is, they don't know the exact substance they were told to take! So anyway, it is an issue, if only because it seems the players were given vague information, let alone the stuff it could lead to. It might not lead to a handful of suspensions. Hopefully it leads to nothing. But it's definitely an issue that needs to be looked into.
 

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If you admit to taking a banned substance under S2, someone may need to clarify, but i'm pretty sure your gone straight away.

But I do agree with you that players wouldn't be able to admit to it if they don't believe they have actually been given it. Which is also the reason i see it as a non-issue.
 

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As reported, ASADA told the ACC that AOD-9604 wasn't prohibited under S2. The ACC then published that it wasn't prohibited (at all) - this is not a valid interpretation.

If I ask you about the legal status of alcohol, and you say 'it's not legal to sell to minors' and I report this as 'it's not legal to sell' and say you were my source, that'd still be *my* error.
Ok. I read ASADA's response as a glaring side-step of the question of the ACC report, that's all.
 

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Watching the pre-game show in fox footy.

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"Ninth may still play finals if essendon lose points"
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If you admit to taking a banned substance under S2, someone may need to clarify, but i'm pretty sure your gone straight away.

But I do agree with you that players wouldn't be able to admit to it if they don't believe they have actually been given it. Which is also the reason i see it as a non-issue.
No player is likely to have admitted to taking the banned form of Thymosin because they didn't know which form was administered. There have been no positive tests that confirm its use. The evidence will be circumstantial ie the fact that Dank spoke the Charters about dosage and then exactly that dosage was on the consent forms, the lack of real benefits that would warrant the use of the legal Thymosin, the Charters statement that he procured the illegal Thymosin for Dank etc. If that amounts to sufficient "proof" (see cwootton's post about level of proof required), big troubles.

It is an issue!
 

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No player is likely to have admitted to taking the banned form of Thymosin because they didn't know which form was administered. There have been no positive tests that confirm its use. The evidence will be circumstantial ie the fact that Dank spoke the Charters about dosage and then exactly that dosage was on the consent forms, the lack of real benefits that would warrant the use of the legal Thymosin, the Charters statement that he procured the illegal Thymosin for Dank etc. If that amounts to sufficient "proof" (see cwootton's post about level of proof required), big troubles.

It is an issue!
I rephrase, its a non-issue for me. I don't listen to Barrett anymore or any media frenzy he whips up on the footy show. I just laugh and say how much do the newspapers pay you to come up with this garbage.
 

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**** that Hot Topic shit. It has become strength in numbers now. The trolls know that it won't be policed anymore so they start aliases and threads on a whim - had a peek before and another one was created - maybe the worst of the lot. It has turned into the most putrid ******* cesspit of a board. It has about as many THREADS as this thread has pages. Accounts that have been created to troll only aren't scrutinised and they are crawling all over it like flies on a corn studded dump.

I know, I know, "just don't look at it" but I can't ******* help it and it makes me ******* furious.
 
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