SALADA/VladFL: Slap on the wrist. - STRICTLY ESSENDON SUPPORTERS ONLY

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I don't want nothing to do with a deal that has Jim stepping down. Give him a 12 month suspension where he has to serve 3 months and the other 9 months are suspended sentence.

Massive fine and points this year on strictly governance issues only.
 

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If anyone can actually tell me what other clubs stood to gain by siding with Essendon in this matter? I mean, was it possible for them to remain neutral at all? I just don't see that what happened yesterday was 17 clubs effectively declaring war on Essendon. Others may see it that way and that is their opinion.
The question was asked if vlad would stand aside due to not being impartial. They said no
 

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People need to understand that once you have come this far you don't just accept something to end it. It invalidates everything you were fighting for. Hird doesn't just say ok guys it's getting hard, I'll just cop the penalty. Let's end it. These things don't work that way, they give up now they are effectively destroyed.

These men have been involved in AFL football for the past 30 or so years, building reputations. That would all be gone if they just roll over now.

I understand that from a football future perspective draft picks are important. But don't underestimate the blow this club will cop of we lose two of our favourite sons and a dr who has been with us for how many decades? If they go the casualty list will be around 9. That will gut this club and take a long time to recover from.

If hird cops a sanction of anything more than 6 months he won't be back.
You seem to have forgotten that we have many players unsigned - This is more important than anything else - If some of these players leave and we lose draft picks Hird won't have much to coach.
 

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James Hird has said as he left Windy Hill today that he is not standing down.

Presumably he was going for sushi. It's too early for story time.
 

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It's really strange. Tim Watson said that in the parents' meeting they were told that there was no evidence any player had taken Tb4. But there has to be more evidence from Essendon to back that up because the reported circumstantial evidence for Tb4 looks incontrovertible. I don't understand.

This is why it's illegal for a prosecutor in a real court, to front up to court on the first day, walk out front and say- look here media, this is our evidence.

It's always going to look bad. That's a prosecutors job- the evidence is then tested, weighed up and either used or thrown out.

If that effort was pulling in court, the case would be thrown out so fast it would make your head spin.
 

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I get where you are coming from, don't get me wrong. I could live with it if they decided to take it but I personally would not.

Reputations, even if they are over rated in society, still matter. They are all some people have in life. It is something you can spend your whole life building. Look at Dr Reid.

I strongly value my reputation.

I personally would tell them to go **** themselves (in more diplomatic words to their face of course).

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe some players would reconsider playing with us next year if Hirdy wasn't coach? It can go both ways. They have come so far and put up with so much, they may want to tell the AFL **** off to that offer.

As with Hirdy standing down, the only way I would accept this offer is if the players requested it. But even then I would not like it.

Reputations are over-rated. Hird leaves goes back to Gemba and makes millions. Dr Reid won't lose any patients from his practice. Corcoran will get another job in the sports industry. Thompson could coach anywhere in the AFL.

And they can still pursue legal action if need be.
 

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The Players earned those points, The members paid to get those points and you saying that its part of the bargaining. Your not directing the punishment towards the right people. who ever is found guilty should have their contract remuneration halved with no prospect to move to other work in an ASADA accredited sport for a period.
 

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Reputations are over-rated. Hird leaves goes back to Gemba and makes millions. Dr Reid won't lose any patients from his practice. Corcoran will get another job in the sports industry. Thompson could coach anywhere in the AFL.

And they can still pursue legal action if need be.
 
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reported in the australian that essendon and afl are in talks about a deal to end it that they think is loss of points and hird to stand down
no draft picks
considering all thats gone on i think thats a good deal... were not going to do anything this year in the finals...hird stands down defends his charges he gets off or a light suspension (depending on his evidence which he sounds like hes got the best to do for him) and we dont ruin next year and can make a big push towards the top 4
 

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Reputations are over-rated. Hird leaves goes back to Gemba and makes millions. Dr Reid won't lose any patients from his practice. Corcoran will get another job in the sports industry. Thompson could coach anywhere in the AFL.

And they can still pursue legal action if need be.
You're just repeating yourself. We obviously disagree on this point. No big deal.
 

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reported in the australian that essendon and afl are in talks about a deal to end it that they think is loss of points and hird to stand down
no draft picks
considering all thats gone on i think thats a good deal... were not going to do anything this year in the finals...hird stands down defends his charges he gets off or a light suspension (depending on his evidence which he sounds like hes got the best to do for him) and we dont ruin next year and can make a big push towards the top 4
 

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reported in the australian that essendon and afl are in talks about a deal to end it that they think is loss of points and hird to stand down
no draft picks
considering all thats gone on i think thats a good deal... were not going to do anything this year in the finals...hird stands down defends his charges he gets off or a light suspension (depending on his evidence which he sounds like hes got the best to do for him) and we dont ruin next year and can make a big push towards the top 4
michael malteaser would be pleased
 

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Reputations are over-rated. Hird leaves goes back to Gemba and makes millions. Dr Reid won't lose any patients from his practice. Corcoran will get another job in the sports industry. Thompson could coach anywhere in the AFL.

And they can still pursue legal action if need be.
Or they can stick it out, defeat the corrupt scum afl admin in the supreme court, win the premiership and send a personalised signed photo of james and jobe holding up the premiership to caro.
 

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Anyone else believe that "the deal" is simply the same thing the club turned down back when this all started and Vlad was stumbling over it answering questions to the press?

Didn't take it then, don't see why we should take it now. The AFL should just be happy that they have derailed our season and leave it at that plus a fine $1m or below.
 

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well, apart from it seems rumply, I'm pretty much on my own. Because I'd be inclined to take that deal. I'd hate to see Hird go, but if we protect our draft picks, I believe that to be the most important thing.

Essentially, in a negotiation like this, both sides have to give up ground. Just saying "nup" is for me not realistic. We have to make concessions, in reality. I've felt for a while now that if we can quarantine this shit to this year then we should. I'd rather lose points than picks, x1,000,000.

Unfortunately Hird has ****** up, like it or not. If he has to go it sucks balls, but no-one is bigger than the club.

As well, it gives us a fresh start, and sadly I'm starting to think that's what we need.

I wanted this kind of deal from the very start .

Draft picks/points and players re-signing contracts are more important - This is th efuture of our club.
 

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Nothing, & he can have his fair trail, but just do it away from the club & return if & when the time is right.

Club first
The rest second.
So what you're saying is...

If the company where you worked was guilty of Governance issues, but you didn't work directly in the department where the problems occurred, you'd be ok if you were made a scapegoat and you lost your job? Even if you and the company both felt you were 100% innocent?
 
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