No Oppo Supporters Sam Mitchell traded

[bradburygold]

Will they sign on before or after we offer a three year contract to the Tooth Fairy?

? trade period gone to your head maybe

 

[muff73]

The team didn't struggle, it had it's two worst years in it's history, consecutively.
Fans threw up in their mouths every game, for the last 3 years or so, as an incompetent, inept, scurrulously stupid management team has led them to bad hires, bad players both drafted and traded in, and the complete trashing of a franchise I thought untrashable.
Oh, and they paid stupid money to Kobe who many nights couldn't get off the bench with all the ice strapped to his shoulders and his knees.

Until Kobe's very last game, it was an unmitigated disaster as any Laker fan will tell you and no-one knows when it's effects might end.

Horrible, horrible comparison.
Try again if you must, but the Lakers franchise handling of Kobe's twilight is a testament to everything you don't want to do in professional sports.

As an NBA fan, a long suffering Knicks fan (talk about bad contracts, hello Allen Houston??), this reply is spot on. Nearly every Laker fan in LA (not watching 1 game a month from afar) will tell you they wish that deal never happened. Stopped them going after a heap of free agents for 2 years and probably cost them any real shot of getting Durant as in that time Golden State Warriors became irresistible and the Lakers a joke.

I get the sentiment, but like flinchfree, I think it's a really bad example, or a really good example of what not to do

 

[eldorado]

I've got a bit of a hole in my heart at the moment. End of an era. When I first noticed Sam playing, it was 2003, and we were absolute rubbish. It seems a lifetime ago

Time heals all wounds. Let's wrap us Jaeger, and then I'll be back at waverley in January, watchinhg them run around, looking forward to the next season. Players come and go, it's just the manner of his going that is painful.

Good luck Sam

 

[hawksalltheway]

could it be that sam is hoping to coach the hawks in 5 years time when JOM is captain - so is keen to secure him now

 

[flinchfree]

WTF!?!?!?! Then what is all this for?!?!?!? Someone must have stuffed up the books big time, I'm going to be pissed if we lose Hartung and/or Langford.

Thanks for lightening the mood!

Oh shit, you were having a lend - right????

 

[flinchfree]

OK guys let's see you spin this. I feel like throwing up and all we have to show for it is pick 88.

Troll.

 

[flinchfree]

Exactly right about Kobe. That is what the club has traded away. One of the most beautiful and amazing moments in sport. To say good by after everything is what a family club does.

For Pick 88 we have lost our Kobe moment. We have given up on a flag in the next 2 years, while Sam still has a chance at the eagles. We have created an environment were big name recruits get fat cheques and loyal servants are told to play on scraps or leave. Few of our young players still on the list will be getting lower pay than O'Meara and Mitchell after delivering 3 flags and possibly out performing them.

The small positive is that in 5 years time, Mitchell will be retired and Hawthorn will hopefully be contending for a Flag with the players we were able to bring in this trade period. However all these recruits AND our current young mids (Langford, O'Rourke especially) must take on the mantle and take us to more premierships.

If it doesn't come off we will not even be able to say it was worth trying, It either succeeds or is a disaster.

Now I know you guys are lost.

 

[hk89]

After Wright's presser, I'm a good deal less confident JOM deal is going to happen. Still hopeful, but definitely less optimistic than I was this time yesterday.

 

[hawkgal02]

After Wright's presser, I'm a good deal less confident JOM deal is going to happen. Still hopeful, but definitely less optimistic than I was this time yesterday.

There was a lot of "you'll have to talk to so and so" and "no we aren't....at this time"
What a pointless press conference

 

[asanque]

From Trade radio

['Graham Wright also told the media that Sam Mitchell's move to West Coast had nothing to do with the Hawks needing to clear salary cap space.']

So why the pointless trade of our reigning B+F one year early?

 

[Davo-27]

am i the only one who thinks this trade was about the future of the HFC and not its past, im a fan of what Clarko did and im proud he had the balls and intelligence to also do right by Sammy, its only overly emotional fans that seem to not be happy with this trade......... calm down precious

 

[WWSD]

He was just a short fat kid that was too slow for the game having been overlooked in the previous 2 National Drafts to be then taken with pick 36 in 2001. It's been an enjoyable 15 years watching Mitchell play and forge a successful career at Hawthorn going down as arguably the third greatest ever Hawk. Seeing him in another jumper will hurt a lot and will be tough to handle. It's going to take a hell of a long time to get over this move.

 

[Philhawk]

Didn't realise the sale included players as well.

 

[JoeHawk]

Here we go....

 

[asanque]

I still can't believe the Hawks approached Sam Mitchell to leave, happy to exchange for pick 88, based on no salary cap pressure and without O'Meara locked in.

 

[Jaeger]

I still can't believe the Hawks approached Sam Mitchell to leave, happy to exchange for pick 88, based on no salary cap pressure and without O'Meara locked in.

There HAS to be something in it for us, surely?

 

[hk89]

I still can't believe the Hawks approached Sam Mitchell to leave, happy to exchange for pick 88, based on no salary cap pressure and without O'Meara locked in.

Yes, the press conference raised more questions than it answered. I can understand moving heaven and earth to get Sam there if that is what the club legend wanted (and in the end I think it was), but to actively suggest it to him is the baffling part of it.

To put things in perspective though, while Wright never played for us, we owe him a lot in terms of the success we've received.
Read this paragraph on his Wikipedia page a few minutes ago:

"When Hawthorn needed to reconstruct its team in recent years of the diluted drafts and then free agency. Wright was the man to find the players - teenagers and veterans who arrived to build the side. Wright was the person responsible for bringing Shaun Burgoyne, David Hale, Josh Gibson, Jack Gunston, Jonathan Simpkin and Brian Lake to the club and ultimately the 2013 to 2015 premierships."

Something to keep in mind.

 

[Death Cab]

could it be that sam is hoping to coach the hawks in 5 years time when JOM is captain - so is keen to secure him now

Exactly.

I think the reason we're seeing him out the door sooner than we expected, is because there's plans to get him back sooner than we think. Two years at West Coast (1 playing, 1 coaching), two years as an assistant somewhere else, then takes the reigns from Clarko in 2021.


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[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

It seems to me that whoever is in charge of our player payments has made a huge error in judgement.

To let Mitchell go basically for pick 88 stinks of we were absolutely desperate for the cap space - the Eagles knew it and if we didn't move him quietly the whole thing was going to blow up in our faces and we'd end up having to shop a whole bunch of players around.

The fact that the Lewis to Melbourne thing now has blown up is probably karma.

Pretty amateur hour Hawks.

 

[Pessimistic]

In addition to all the emotional stuff going on, this was the guy who the club 'persuaded' to hand over the captaincy...who knows?

Hes done the right thing more than once. Its OUR turn to sacrifice now

 

[flinchfree]

........

Pretty amateur hour Hawks.

Nah, amateur hour is here on BF footy - only you can do it 24/7

At the club, they're actually running a professional organization filled with people who spend all year planning and working on things we get to absorb over just a few days.
As I've said before, just because you or some other posters can't understand or accept the reasoning, doesn't make those charged with the responsibility any less correct in their assessments.

I'll take them in charge, over you or anyone else here on a footy forum, making the decisions for the team today and going forward.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Nah, amateur hour is here on BF footy - only you can do it 24/7

At the club, they're actually running a professional organization filled with people who spend all year planning and working on things we get to absorb over just a few days.
As I've said before, just because you or some other posters can't understand or accept the reasoning, doesn't make those charged with the responsibility any less correct in their assessments.

I'll take them in charge, over you or anyone else here on a footy forum, making the decisions for the team today and going forward.

So explain to me your logic of Mitchell for pick 88?

 

[benneth]

This is NOT about what the club receives in draft picks. It's all about looking after a Hawthorn player and ensure Sam got the best possible deal.

Hawthorn Family = Bigger than just the club.

That's right, in saying that the pick we got for such a champ is an insult to Sam, this point is being missed.

 

[flinchfree]

So explain to me your logic of Mitchell for pick 88?

Really?
I've been posting for 2 days straight it feels like.

I'll do it this way instead.
I won't re-state what they (the club) have said and why, and how in general that works ok for me.
Whatever the reason they have, and assuming they NEVER tell it to me, I'm good with it.
Because I have watched those people at our club for the last 10 years and I'm comfortable in trusting the decisions they make based on their conduct, their words, and the results they have achieved.

I absolutely 1 gazillion percent don't think they have just fallen into this situation.
They haven't stuffed anything up.
They haven't been out-plotted by other clubs.
They aren't suffering dementia.
They don't have an alterior motive to secretly screw the club, or destroy the players, or steal money or any other BS you could possibly dream up.

They are shaping our list.
It's one of their primary responsibilities.
I won't make it about me, or the supporters, like we are the most important part in the story.
I hate Sam going, and I will love - to coin an american phrase - opening day next year with the promise of a new dawn.

Whatever Kanga had wanted regarding players coming or going, I would have ridden with.
Whoever Jeansy had told to pack their bags and leave, I would have accepted.
And in the EXACT same luminous exalted status, if Clarko says this is how he wants to shape our team going forward, I will humbly move forward with.

Love you Sammy. It's you, Lethal, Knights and Dunny for my all time best.
Looking forward to adding a new name to that list some time in the next 20-30 years.

 

[S Lawrence]

I still can't believe the Hawks approached Sam Mitchell to leave, happy to exchange for pick 88, based on no salary cap pressure and without O'Meara locked in.

From Mitchell's interview...

If this goes through, because it’s no certainty to I mean it’s still early in the trade period and all those things, but the way we look at it, it could be a win for Hawthorn and help to free up some salary cap stuff and not have to move on all the guys that are being talked about at the moment, and hopefully I can go over and help West Coast if that’s what happens.

Even if there was no specific cap pressure (which there obviously was), its always beneficial to have more cap space.