Sam Mitchell vs Daniel Harris

[superstar]

Harris was our most damaging midfielder this year, so if he isn't being tagged (I'd argue that he was on occasions) then that is simply stupidity on the part of opposition coaches.

Measuring players on whether or not they get tagged is ridiculous.

Not really because in 2003 Mitchell wasn't tagged.

Mitchell's 2003 was better than Harris' 2004.

That's why it is a valid measurement. I have no doubt that Harris will start experiencing taggers soon and then a proper comparison between the two players can be made.

 

[jimmy35]

thats fair enough, but what i was really trying to point out is that mitchell is doing just as a good a job as harris is doing but mitchell is also having to deal with taggers week in week out, where as mr harris is running free gathering possies at will.

Yeah I understand your point. But IMO Harris is a classier user of the ball with more ability.
Time may prove otherwise but the comparison is a bit like (only a bit mind you) like choosing between Paul Liccuria and Simon Black. Black gets as much of it but uses it so much better.
I know Mitchell gets tagged now and we will have to see how Harris handles that but I would personally take Harris.

 

[kelman]

Lesson 1:

Ignore any opinion on Kangaroo or Melbourne footballers offered by supporters of those respsective clubs on Bigfooty.

Once learnt, this site becomes a much better place.

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Do you still think Wells is overrated by North people as we' search for our new Messiah' and that really he is just a nothing special, flash in the pan?

 

[davey_magik]

we cant have a poll that involves north on bigfooty, as there is far more north supporters here than any other club. in 2004 harris was better but it has been said many times and i will say it again that when crawf broke his arm mitchell got each teams best stopper week in week out until the end of the season and harris had a relatively easy run since he had stevo,boomer,simpson,grant and wells to take the other teams taggers.i think mitchell is better overall but it is still a bit hard to judge, and next year will help as with stevo gone harro will get more of a run and after 2004 where he lead the roos in hardball gets he will get tagged and we will see how he handles it.

 

[superstar]

Do you still think Wells is overrated by North people as we' search for our new Messiah' and that really he is just a nothing special, flash in the pan?

Find that 'flash in the pan' quote. I bet you can't, as I didn't say it.

I think Wells is good. Good, not great. Good, not amazing. Good, not God-like as the Kangaroo supporters on Bigfooty would have you think.

Good player, but one of the most overrated by his own supporters of all the players in the comp. He's no Carey and he's no messiah. Keep searching.

Now, where's NorthBhoy to rattle off a bunch of VFL battlers who will lead the Roos to next years flag....the search continues.

 

[Star]

Mitchell has really only had one good season (2003)

This as someone mentioned is better than Harris' 2004 but perhaps limited only by playing an average of 2/3 of a game each week.

I guess the question is if you had to pick one of them now, going forward?

My guess is with increased game time Harris will have a better year. Bias? maybe; but I think Harris will be a better footballer than Mitchell in 2005 based on what both showed last year.

 

[Star]

Find that 'flash in the pan' quote. I bet you can't, as I didn't say it.

I think Wells is good. Good, not great. Good, not amazing. Good, not God-like as the Kangaroo supporters on Bigfooty would have you think.

Good player, but one of the most overrated by his own supporters of all the players in the comp. He's no Carey and he's no messiah. Keep searching.

Now, where's NorthBhoy to rattle off a bunch of VFL battlers who will lead the Roos to next years flag....the search continues.

hahaha priceless.

Not NorthBhoy, not even a list of VFL battlers, I think you should have a serious look at your senior list for a decent laugh

 

[feher]

Mitchell has really only had one good season (2003)

This as someone mentioned is better than Harris' 2004 but perhaps limited only by playing an average of 2/3 of a game each week.

All we keep hearing is Harris has had limited game time, why is that? maybe he isn't as good as you all think?

My guess is with increased game time Harris will have a better year. Bias? maybe; but I think Harris will be a better footballer than Mitchell in 2005 based on what both showed last year.

IMO Mitchell 2004 season > Harris 2004 season

If Harris has a good year next year, in my book that will be only his first against Mitchell.

 

[Falchoon]

Offering a completely unbiased opinion (as opposed to the majority on the thread) and someone who enjoys riling North supporters more than Hawks supporters, if I had to take one of them for next year or the next 10 years, I'd take Harris.

 

[superstar]

hahaha priceless.

Not NorthBhoy, not even a list of VFL battlers, I think you should have a serious look at your senior list for a decent laugh

But at no stage have I suggested our list is anything other than terrible. That's why we're rebuilding.

NorthBhoy and co on this site regularly rattle off a bunch of guys who have achieved nothing and appear to have little faith from the coaching staff as future champions. Hamish McIntosh, David Hale, Trotter etc.

Interesting to see Laidley taking the Schwab route too. Topping up an average list with average players. Enjoy Thommo. And Picioane.

 

[Nightwolf]

Picioane will be an absolute superstar for the Roos, in the 2's! What a waste of a spot..

 

[F/D]

But at no stage have I suggested our list is anything other than terrible. That's why we're rebuilding.

NorthBhoy and co on this site regularly rattle off a bunch of guys who have achieved nothing and appear to have little faith from the coaching staff as future champions. Hamish McIntosh, David Hale, Trotter etc.

Interesting to see Laidley taking the Schwab route too. Topping up an average list with average players. Enjoy Thommo. And Picioane.

Enjoy your.....wait whos your fullforward.....?

 

[Z_K]

But at no stage have I suggested our list is anything other than terrible. That's why we're rebuilding.

NorthBhoy and co on this site regularly rattle off a bunch of guys who have achieved nothing and appear to have little faith from the coaching staff as future champions. Hamish McIntosh, David Hale, Trotter etc.

Interesting to see Laidley taking the Schwab route too. Topping up an average list with average players. Enjoy Thommo. And Picioane.

What, in god's name, are you talking about?

Future champions...? False.

Little faith from coaching staff...? Wait, no, sorry, false.

Taking the Schwabb route..? Your on a roll.

Enjoy Picione..? Not a ********ing chance in hell..!!!

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

Harris can have more impact towards a game.

 

[NakedDeadGuy]

Fair comparison of players I reckon, at the moment I'd rate Harris just ahead mainly because I think he has more improvement left in him. Mitchell has probably done more, but if I was to select a player it'd be Harris every time.

 

[superstar]

What, in god's name, are you talking about?

Future champions...? False.

You haven't claimed McIntosh, Hale or Trotter to be future champions? None of them have shown anything in the AFL? Which do you dispute?

Little faith from coaching staff...? Wait, no, sorry, false.

I would suggest the recruiting of McKernan and Thompson in subsequent years would demonstrate the lack of faith the coaching staff have in McIntosh and Hale to become top liners. Understandable of course, given they are ordinary.

Taking the Schwabb route..? Your on a roll.

On a roll all right. The Schwab route entails topping up an average list with average footballers. I had to endure it for years. Which do you dispute - that your list that has failed to make finals again is average or that Thompson, McKernan and Picioane are average?

Enjoy Picione..? Not a ********ing chance in hell..!!!

All the signs point to yes.


And lets not resort to the usual Bigfooty response of bagigng Hawthorn. I realise our list is rubbish and condemned Schwab for several years for his short-sighted recruiting. That's why we're rebuilding. You should be. But instead Laidley is trying to save his own bacon with mediocre recruits. De ja vu.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I would suggest the recruiting of McKernan and Thompson in subsequent years would demonstrate the lack of faith the coaching staff have in McIntosh and Hale to become top liners. Understandable of course, given they are ordinary.

With Hale's body shape, throwing him directly into the ruck for long periods would do more damage than good at this point in his career. Talented talls are hard to find, and rushing them isn't the best way of doing things. McIntosh would have played senior footy this year if not for a broken ankle, and considering getting a senior game out of tall draftees during their first two seasons is generally a satisfactory return, it's only injury that has prevented that with Hamish. Now, why the hell would we delist Mark Porter?

Trotter has the talent to play AFL footy, he just doesn't have the body shape yet. Going by your logic, I suppose Harry Miller and Luke Brennan should be delisted immediately as they haven't shown anything at AFL level yet?

On a roll all right. The Schwab route entails topping up an average list with average footballers. I had to endure it for years. Which do you dispute - that your list that has failed to make finals again is average or that Thompson, McKernan and Picioane are average?

All the signs point to yes.


And lets not resort to the usual Bigfooty response of bagigng Hawthorn. I realise our list is rubbish and condemned Schwab for several years for his short-sighted recruiting. That's why we're rebuilding. You should be. But instead Laidley is trying to save his own bacon with mediocre recruits. De ja vu.

I agree, ignoring the fact that a fair number of guys have been given debuts under Laidley, Wells and Harris have developed into classy midfielders, and Daniel Motlop, Corey Jones, Drew Petrie, Brady Rawlings, Michael Stevens and Leigh Brown have all established themselves as key components of our best 22, the adding of two (likely three) older guys smacks of us trying to save an average list.

Hawthonr are in fairly decent shape for the future, but considering the circumstances in which Laidley took over the list, the job he has done with the playing list has been admirable. Unfortunately it's the outsiders who believe because we haven't made the finals the last two seasons (despite most picking us to finish in the bottom four - can't have your cake and eat it too), that Dean is purely recruiting for the short term. He's trying to get the list balance right, and whether this pays off as hoped remains to be seen.

 

[superstar]

Trotter has the talent to play AFL footy, he just doesn't have the body shape yet. Going by your logic, I suppose Harry Miller and Luke Brennan should be delisted immediately as they haven't shown anything at AFL level yet?

No, but i'm not one to label them future stars before they've shown anything. Northbhoy reckons every North recruit is better than Jesus, and earlier this year said that Trotter was the best of the lot. He could be a future gun for all I know, but statements like that are stupid. I have seen more of McIntosh and Hale and don't think either are much good. Will be a good/ordinary types at best IMO.

Hawthonr are in fairly decent shape for the future, but considering the circumstances in which Laidley took over the list, the job he has done with the playing list has been admirable. Unfortunately it's the outsiders who believe because we haven't made the finals the last two seasons (despite most picking us to finish in the bottom four - can't have your cake and eat it too), that Dean is purely recruiting for the short term. He's trying to get the list balance right, and whether this pays off as hoped remains to be seen.

I'm just of the opinion that the best thing you could do to balance your list is target youth. I don't think your list is good enough to be topping up with average players like Nathan Thompson and McKernan. All that gets you is more mid-ladder finishes and then an inevitable slide down the ladder as shown by Hawthorn and Richmond.

Laidley's got that Schwab smell to me. And believe me, it stinks.

 

[F/D]

No, but i'm not one to label them future stars before they've shown anything. Northbhoy reckons every North recruit is better than Jesus, and earlier this year said that Trotter was the best of the lot. He could be a future gun for all I know, but statements like that are stupid. I have seen more of McIntosh and Hale and don't think either are much good. Will be a good/ordinary types at best IMO.





I'm just of the opinion that the best thing you could do to balance your list is target youth. I don't think your list is good enough to be topping up with average players like Nathan Thompson and McKernan. All that gets you is more mid-ladder finishes and then an inevitable slide down the ladder as shown by Hawthorn and Richmond.

Laidley's got that Schwab smell to me. And believe me, it stinks.

You do know we have the most 1st rounders and a lot more younger players playing with the Borough?....Hence our recruiting of McKernan and Thompson...

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I'm just of the opinion that the best thing you could do to balance your list is target youth.

Well it is your opinion, and that's fine, but our list is chocoblock with youngsters at the moment. We gave up too much for Thompson, but I don't think it's a make or break decision either. We needed a key forward who could take a grab and ruck a bit, and we got him. We gave up two blokes who weren't in our future plans for McKernan (and well done to Teague, doesn't change the fact he wasn't getting a game at North), and while that deal looks heavily in Carlton's favour, it wasn't a significant deal for us. Whether these deals set us back remains to be seen, but there is plenty of youth on our list at the moment. The difference between us and say a St Kilda is we haven't needed to chuck them in the deep end early on, instead they've been brought along slowly, meaning potential results won't be seen for a couple of seasons yet.

There are holes in our list at the moment, but lack of youth isn't one of them.

 

[feher]

Trotter has the talent to play AFL footy, he just doesn't have the body shape yet. Going by your logic, I suppose Harry Miller and Luke Brennan should be delisted immediately as they haven't shown anything at AFL level yet?

I won't comment on Miller but Brennan has played senior games, and has played pretty well. The other thing you need to look at is that Brennan had by all reports a bad '03 season where he was dropped to Box Hill ressies (I doubt to many at that stage was saying he will be star), and sounded like our gamble of taking him in the top 10 would be a disaster, he has improved greatly in '04, and could yet be a McPharlan type recruit ie a top 10 pick that shouldn't have, but proves to be worth it.

 

[dipper86]

Arn't we of the subject here.

 

[HIG]

BUMP...


Some very short-sighted supporters on this board.

Sam Mitchell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Harris and has been for three years.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Harris is not fit.

Mitchell was a star today, clearly above at this point.

Still think Harro is silkier and has a bigger scope, but right now Mitchell is the more consistent footballer.

 

[HIG]

Harris is not fit.

Mitchell was a star today, clearly above at this point.

Niether was Mitchell last year (when Harris was) and Sam was still arguably better.

Over the course of their careers and output to date Sam is several rungs higher than Harris.

In two and a half matches so far this year (injured before half-time last week vs Bombers) Mitchell has compiled 74 touches.

(Having said that, congrats on being one of the few not to jump the gun in the original thread)