You have a choice. At the doctors you are assuming that they have your best interest in heart. That is the difference.Whereas dealers provide an important service with no thought of personal gain?
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You have a choice. At the doctors you are assuming that they have your best interest in heart. That is the difference.Whereas dealers provide an important service with no thought of personal gain?
I was in the tumour clinic last Thursday at St Vincents.I smoked some recently, as in a lot - enough to make me extremely stoned to the point of being incapacitated if it was normal weed, and it had virtually no effect at all.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...r/news-story/a535d96719984992d5bed8f7c9ea4e14
Sam Murray’s lawyers will fight for a career-saving ban of only two years, with his AFL anti-doping hearing only weeks away.
The Herald Sun understands negotiations are underway for an AFL anti-doping hearing on his cocaine match-day positive to be held in late June or early July.
Hard-running Pies defender Murray recorded the positive in last year’s Round 19 clash against Richmond and took a provisional sentence after the drug issue came to light.
The maximum ban for a match-day positive for cocaine is four years, which would effectively end the career of the 21-year-old.
But his provisional suspension means a two-year ban would expire late next season, with Murray able to train with the club in the final months of his suspension.
Collingwood coach Nathan Buckley said Murray was ‘in limbo’ as he awaited the next step in the ASADA process.
“I have spoken to Sam periodically and obviously he’s in limbo,” Buckley said on 3AW.
“The ongoing discussions and the investigation by ASADA and the time that it takes for them to come to their conclusions are tough on everyone.
“But the football club has supported Sam and the people who are representing him as best we possibly can, but we are in the dark largely.
“Even the information that I read yesterday and today is more information than I am actually aware of.”
It would make it much easier for the Pies to consider bringing Murray back into the fold for the 2021 season.
Former ASADA boss Richard Ings told the Herald Sun in general it was extremely hard to argue down mandatory four-year suspensions given the difficulty in proving reduced fault.
“Generally speaking its exceedingly rare for an athlete subject to a match day positive for cocaine to get a reduced sanction,“ he said.
The player would have to prove he did not take the drug, or took steps to ensure it was not still in his system between use and the match-day positive.
Murray’s camp has not been in a hurry to expedite the anti-doping hearing because he has been able to train Ovens and Murray club Wangaratta Rovers with his brother Nick.
Murray is being paid by Collingwood and could still be training with the club but has been happy to dodge the scrutiny of remaining around the club.
As a suspended player Murray will not be able to train with a football club through the majority of his ban, but the Pies have the discretion to still be able to pay him.
Collingwood kept Lachie Keeffe and Josh Thomas on their list as rookies while they served drug suspensions despite them being unable to train with the club.
Once Murray fronts the hearing with sports lawyer Ben Ihle, there will be a deliberation which will quickly hand him a suspension.
AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan yesterday told 3AW the Murray case was coming to a head.
“It’s people’s lives and livelihood. People are entitled to natural justice and a process that plays out. That’s what’s happening.”
Pies chief executive Mark Anderson said recently the club was committed to helping Murray through the case.
“Collingwood and myself are absolutely committed to also supporting Sam through the process that he’s going to face. It will be difficult and probably a lengthy process and we will certainly stand by him and provide him with support as much as we can,” Anderson said.
The article says he could still be training with Collingwood if he wanted.
I don’t think that’s correct because if he trained with Collingwood his ban would not be backdated.
Regardless it sounds like hopefully we get a decision soon. If it’s two years the club has a decision to make. If it’s longer than that then they have a very easy decision to make.
Suspect he will get a one year rookie deal like Keeffe and Thomas if it’s only a two year ban .
Sounds like we won’t get a decision before the mid season draft, meaning we can’t top up if we wanted to.
But who gives a **** about that any more after landing Tom Wilson!
He was always just a rookie list stop gap speculative pick anyway, he's barely AFL talent. We should just chop him, he would be easily replaced.
The club has a moral responsibility on two fronts - one to be compliant and empower the investigators - and secondly to support the player through the process from start to finish.He was always just a rookie list stop gap speculative pick anyway, he's barely AFL talent. We should just chop him, he would be easily replaced.
Must be nice being perfect.FFS what a tosser. Traded a 2nd Round pick for him to just do a line of coke. No respect for himself or the club. See ya, Sam and shut the door on the way out.
Huh?Must be nice being perfect.
Have you ever made a bad decision?Huh?
Good luck to him. The rest of us schmucks happily give away our half-baked opinions for free.Richard Ings.
The go to rent a quote.
The guy is so obsessed with being the rent a quote.
The club gave him permission to train at Wang.The part that shits me is "Murray’s camp has not been in a hurry to expedite the anti-doping hearing because he has been able to train Ovens and Murray club Wangaratta Rovers with his brother Nick.".
If that is true in any way then one must assume that Murray has no consideration for the club - he knows he is gone for at least two years and possibly the full four, but is still happy to collect paychecks and stuff around with his brother in his bush league team while taking up a list spot that could have been used to grab someone else desperate to play at AFL level who could actually help the club.
I realise there is nothing the club can do about it and that we have to put on a public face of supporting him,but as soon as he gets found guilty then we should delist him on the spot and not pay him another cent on principle because if what has been written is correct then he clearly has not had the best interests of the club in mind at any point during their saga.
Sounds to me like best case scenario is 2 years so there never was any rush.The part that shits me is "Murray’s camp has not been in a hurry to expedite the anti-doping hearing because he has been able to train Ovens and Murray club Wangaratta Rovers with his brother Nick.".
The part that shits me is "Murray’s camp has not been in a hurry to expedite the anti-doping hearing because he has been able to train Ovens and Murray club Wangaratta Rovers with his brother Nick.".
If that is true in any way then one must assume that Murray has no consideration for the club - he knows he is gone for at least two years and possibly the full four, but is still happy to collect paychecks and stuff around with his brother in his bush league team while taking up a list spot that could have been used to grab someone else desperate to play at AFL level who could actually help the club.
I realise there is nothing the club can do about it and that we have to put on a public face of supporting him,but as soon as he gets found guilty then we should delist him on the spot and not pay him another cent on principle because if what has been written is correct then he clearly has not had the best interests of the club in mind at any point during their saga.
Of course I have, but just because he made a bad decision doesn't mean he should be immune from criticism. It was a completely reckless decision, he knew what he was doing and what would eventuate if he got busted. For his sake I hope he gets a lessened sentence but in another sense I'm glad he's gone because maybe he will be able to shake this drug-induced life-style and perhaps one day return a changed man. Until then, he has brought shamed to himself and the club he represents.Have you ever made a bad decision?