Sam Whiteman

[southernswannies]

What about Nevill?

 

[Smoooothy]

Pretty sure his inept technique got bastings from the likes of Harmlesson and Chris Martin before they realised the situation was more hopeless than Gallipoli

nope - was 3 tests

the twin 100's came in test number 2, test 3 he got a couple of 30's, then he lasted the first 2 ashes tests

the NZ debarcle came a little while after

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Other than the fact that he publically accused a club of cheating with no evidence? Maybe the fact that from what I've heard around the state scene (I know two players who are currently contracted with a state) he's a bit of a selfish prick.

Really this is the your source of prejudice? Its pretty obvious the stars rorted something to get half the Australian team and World XI playing for them. Most people would agree that seeing them lose to Tim Paine's Hobart team in the semi was f*cking beautiful.

 

[eth-dog]

Really this is the your source of prejudice? Its pretty obvious the stars rorted something to get half the Australian team and World XI playing for them. Most people would agree that seeing them lose to Tim Paine's Hobart team in the semi was f*cking beautiful.

Obvious? People didn't have a problem with it for the first 2 seasons, only became a problem when they went on that undefeated streak last season.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

nope - was 3 tests

the twin 100's came in test number 2, test 3 he got a couple of 30's, then he lasted the first 2 ashes tests

the NZ debarcle came a little while after

then the Sri Lanka debacle then the India debacle ecetera ecetera....

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Obvious? People didn't have a problem with it for the first 2 seasons, only became a problem when they went on that undefeated streak last season.

Tell that to Marlon Samuels. And they still lost! Crabs.

 

[eth-dog]

Tell that to Marlon Samuels. And they still lost! Crabs.

Oh you mean the bloke who actually did cheat? Thanks for showing you're a complete idiot.

Anyway, back on Whiteman. I think he's top 3 for both with the gloves and the bat among the 1st choice keepers in the country.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Oh you mean the bloke who actually did cheat? Thanks for showing you're a complete idiot.

Anyway, back on Whiteman. I think he's top 3 for both with the gloves and the bat among the 1st choice keepers in the country.

Apologies Starboy.

The only person who made a huge deal out to bring it to the attention of everyone was Fat Man Maguire - if it wasn't for him and his repulsive gunt getting around spreading the word of hate on Paine, then it would of been water under the bridge. The stars have always been chocked up but they keep choking so no one has given a rats before. Plus they are called the stars

 

[eth-dog]

Apologies Starboy.

The only person who made a huge deal out to bring it to the attention of everyone was Fat Man Maguire - if it wasn't for him and his repulsive gunt getting around spreading the word of hate on Paine, then it would of been water under the bridge. The stars have always been chocked up but they keep choking so no one has given a rats before. Plus they are called the stars

Making a big deal out of someone cheating? I bloody well wonder why?

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

Making a big deal out of someone cheating? I bloody well wonder why?

I was referring to Paine not Samuels. I don't even remember what Samuels did - all I remember is Warne having a tanty and thinking "shit that man looks ridiculous - have a pie son"

 

[eth-dog]

I was referring to Paine not Samuels. I don't even remember what Samuels did - all I remember is Warne having a tanty and thinking "shit that man looks ridiculous - have a pie son"

I love the fact that a lot of people were thinking that Paine was in the wrong, but as soon as Eddie comes out and says what they were thinking, they quickly switched to the opposing side of the argument.

Samuels prevented David Hussey from going for a second run. That's illegal.

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

I love the fact that a lot of people were thinking that Paine was in the wrong, but as soon as Eddie comes out and says what they were thinking, they quickly switched to the opposing side of the argument.

Samuels prevented David Hussey from going for a second run. That's illegal.

No Eddie came out to let everyone know it was an issue - no one even knew or cared beforehand.

And there were two sides to the Samuels story - Warne was just being his everyday f*ckwit self:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/warne-no-legend-20130121-2d39d.html

 

[eth-dog]

Two sides to the story:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/warne-no-legend-20130121-2d39d.html

He wouldn't have gotten that treatment if he didn't cheat

 

[Miqar_Baqfhied]

He wouldn't have gotten that treatment if he didn't cheat

Thanks for showing you're a complete idiot

 

[The_Reaper]

Where does Paine fit into all this?

Whiteman has done more with the bat recently than Paine has with the gloves. Paine has never scored a century playing as a keeper either.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Will take over from Haddin when he retires or is booted out. I don't think they'd take him this year but could be a smokey for the next Ashes if Haddin returns to mediocrity from now on.

 

[southernswannies]

Was Invers responsible for all the youth in the team? Marsh might take another approach so we don't have any more Starc/Agars etc in the Test squad. Even Cummins is still unproven.

Get some experience in there.

 

[nick1408]

I thought Paine was the next annointed but as a 29 year old who averages 32 he may not be. He has one ton at FC level (a 214) and has tons while keeping at OD level (including an ODI ton against England). Unfortunately, the numbers are not in his favour.

Assuming Matt Wade won't come good again I thought Peter Nevill would be next. FC average of 37, 28 years old, 3 tons.

I guess Whiteman would be next on the list for me. The rest I rate as follows:

• Ludeman hasn't got the numbers
  
• Hartley is the wrong side of 30
  
• Carters needs more runs and time with the gloves
  
• Travis Head needs to get the gloves off Ludeman
  
• Hanscomb isn't good enough with the gloves and is fighting with Wade as the Vics keeper
  
• Dunk won't get the gloves off Paine and is 27 so needs consistent time keeping

There really is a dearth of real batting talent in the keeping ranks so if Whiteman comes on with big numbers it will be his to lose. If Nevill has another big season I think it will be his.

 

[The_Reaper]

Was Invers responsible for all the youth in the team? Marsh might take another approach so we don't have any more Starc/Agars etc in the Test squad. Even Cummins is still unproven.

Get some experience in there.

Marsh was on the Inverarity selection panel.

 

[southernswannies]

I thought Paine was the next annointed but as a 29 year old who averages 32 he may not be. He has one ton at FC level (a 214) and has tons while keeping at OD level (including an ODI ton against England). Unfortunately, the numbers are not in his favour.

Assuming Matt Wade won't come good again I thought Peter Nevill would be next. FC average of 37, 28 years old, 3 tons.

I guess Whiteman would be next on the list for me. The rest I rate as follows:

• Ludeman hasn't got the numbers
  
• Hartley is the wrong side of 30
  
• Carters needs more runs and time with the gloves
  
• Travis Head needs to get the gloves off Ludeman
  
• Hanscomb isn't good enough with the gloves and is fighting with Wade as the Vics keeper
  
• Dunk won't get the gloves off Paine and is 27 so needs consistent time keeping

There really is a dearth of real batting talent in the keeping ranks so if Whiteman comes on with big numbers it will be his to lose. If Nevill has another big season I think it will be his.

Big Bash was hopefully Carters swansong with the gloves. Is keeping Heads main discipline though? Always thought he could 'do a bit' but would put his batting first. I'm with you for Nevill but what you said is the reality at the back of everyones mind - the gloves are Wades.

Marsh was on the Inverarity selection panel.

Yeah, I'm aware. Invers lead it though, thought he had most of the influence in pushing the others towards younger players. Really took on the 'throw him in the team and see how he goes' approach. Worked for Patto, Smith, Starc in the short form and Faulkner. Not so much Henriques (though he would've been pushed by Marsh), Mitch Marsh, Agar etc.

 

[The Speaker]

Isn't it great how the first thing people argue against a future keeper with is his batting stats.

 

[eth-dog]

Whiteman is inferior as a keeper only to Hartley

 

[nick1408]

Isn't it great how the first thing people argue against a future keeper with is his batting stats.

The problem is these days batting is part and parcel of becoming the test keeper for any nation now. Gone are the days of a keeper bating below seven and averaging less than 30.

Obviously glove-work comes into it but most keepers keeping for their state are very competent with the gloves. I think most selectors would take a keeper with a superior batting average and lesser glove skills (as in not in the top 2 state keepers) than superior glove-work and a low batting average (<30).

 

[The_Reaper]

The problem is these days batting is part and parcel of becoming the test keeper for any nation now. Gone are the days of a keeper bating below seven and averaging less than 30.

Obviously glove-work comes into it but most keepers keeping for their state are very competent with the gloves. I think most selectors would take a keeper with a superior batting average and lesser glove skills (as in not in the top 2 state keepers) than superior glove-work and a low batting average (<30).

But Whiteman's mid first class average of 35 is hardly an argument against him.

 

[Hellgood]

Whiteman would be favourite at this stage. Excellent keeper and has the right temperament and technique to be successful with the bat.

Doubt Rod Marsh's promotion will change the pecking order a lot - he's a very big believer in selecting the best keeper. During his time as England selector he had a bit of a spat with Fletcher and Vaughan who wanted Geraint Jones in the side over Chris Read because he offered more with the bat.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2004/jul/19/cricket