Toast Sammy Mayes

[Tibbs]

I dont think his suspension is consistent with past penalties this year, but there is one difference that IMO has nailed him. In my memory, all the head-high bump cases this year have involved a player being bumped while in the process of attacking the ball .. basically a legal play. With Mayes, he chose to bump behind play, after the ball had moved away. The bump went wrong & slipped high.

Now the MRP have left it open to determine what constitutes a medium impact offence. This was the perfect opportunity for them to come down on it. There was absolutely NO reason for Mayes to bump, it wasnt a defence of the ball or a ball-carrier, it wasnt an attack on the ball, it wasnt a play. It was basically a cheap hit on a player running along looking elsewhere.

Another year he might have got away with it, but there is so much attention on high hits, he was always going to be in trouble. The fact he is a super nice guy, has just hit form, and also happens to be a PORT player, is damned frustrating, nevertheless.

 

[TeeKray]

I dont think his suspension is consistent with past penalties this year, but there is one difference that IMO has nailed him. In my memory, all the head-high bump cases this year have involved a player being bumped while in the process of attacking the ball .. basically a legal play. With Mayes, he chose to bump behind play, after the ball had moved away. The bump went wrong & slipped high.

Now the MRP have left it open to determine what constitutes a medium impact offence. This was the perfect opportunity for them to come down on it. There was absolutely NO reason for Mayes to bump, it wasnt a defence of the ball or a ball-carrier, it wasnt an attack on the ball, it wasnt a play. It was basically a cheap hit on a player running along looking elsewhere.

Another year he might have got away with it, but there is so much attention on high hits, he was always going to be in trouble. The fact he is a super nice guy, has just hit form, and also happens to be a PORT player, is damned frustrating, nevertheless.

Yep. The message is pretty clear - don't bump.

 

[Spadge]

Yep. The message is pretty clear - don't bump.

yep.. and hitting someone in the head when they are on the ground is fair play.. if you play for Richmond

 

[Tibbs]

yep.. and hitting someone in the head when they are on the ground is fair play.. if you play for Richmond

Or for GWS ... Todd Marshall agrees!

 

[RossFC]

piss weak from the club

In my eyes theres only 2 reasons why we didnt

1) we dont have the $10,000 to spend on it
2) we are soft as sh*t

I'm taking a more positive look on this. Mayes gets a weeks rest, and Lienert is fresh after putting in a solid performance vs Melbourne.

 

[Tibbs]

I'm taking a more positive look on this. Mayes gets a weeks rest, and Lienert is fresh after putting in a solid performance vs Melbourne.

I reckon that is the club's view too. Brings a fresh player in, and Mayes will be pumping to get back in

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I dont think his suspension is consistent with past penalties this year, but there is one difference that IMO has nailed him. In my memory, all the head-high bump cases this year have involved a player being bumped while in the process of attacking the ball .. basically a legal play. With Mayes, he chose to bump behind play, after the ball had moved away. The bump went wrong & slipped high.

Not quite.

In the same week as Long, Shiel and Ebert were all suspended for bumps when contesting around the ball:

Marlion Pickett bumped Isaac Heeney high quite late after disposal. The ball was well over 5m away since Heeney had kicked it. Escaped with a fine.

Gary Rohan bumped after an opponent after disposal and was punished with just a fine. Disposal was a handball to space so may have still been with the area to allow a legal shepard, but the 5m ruling seems to go away for an after disposal bump.

Out of all the bumps assessed that round, the only two times a player was comitting an illegal bump got the lowest punishment.

Of course there was also the late hit on Ebert after taking a mark that wasn't even assessed in the MRO's report.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Chook lotto rules, right RussellEbertHandball ?

 

[1954]

I watched the news on the abc last night and the bloke doing the voice over for their sports segment pronounced Sam's name as Sam Maz.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Sam Mayes

32

Sam Mayes

Age

29

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.1

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

14.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.5

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

20.0

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

7.2

5star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

flies under the radar a bit but has been really solid depth for Port. As a sub always seems to get involved in the game and pops up with a clutch goal.

Always gives 100% at either level. Was a driving force in the win over Glenelg with 26 disposals, 7 clearances and 10 tackles.

Would win the gold jacket at the croms.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Reminds me that I really hate this time of year where the delistings commence. Would assume we keep Sammy though.

 

[all seeing eye]

Mayes is really solid citizen who always gives his best at what ever level. Definite retain , type of depth player who the strengthens list and can be counted on when needed, very underrated.

 

[robbo1981]

keep Mayes over Dumont.

 

[RossFC]

Mayes has won me over as an SANFL centre square mid/super-sub AFL forward flanker. Give him another year.

 

[strath39]

Mayes has won me over as an SANFL centre square mid/super-sub AFL forward flanker. Give him another year.

Perfect Depth player, Can play anywhere. Hopefully gets 1 more year.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I was disappointed Sam didn't get a game the first 4 or 5 games of 2019 but we were playing well, whilst he was a very strong contributor in the SANFL. Then his form dropped away in the SANFL, maybe not getting selected for the A grade affected him, and was a marginal chance late in 2019, when we did our traditional late season yo-yo stuff up and miss finals.

I thought once he debuted in 2020, he played well in a couple of games and ok in others and deserved to be given more than 6 games.

This year he got selected in 11 of the 22 minor round games - 7 as sub, 2 of which he never got subbed into the game, and 3 of those other 5 he made a more than decent contribution in the last quarter of tight games. Most of those 11 games were when we had 4 to 6 to 9 injuries to our top 20 to 30 players, which proved his value as a depth player.

He is a good 25th to 30th type mature depth player who can do a job in the forward lines, midfield and halfback.

When we name our 22 for the PF, I expect him to be named as one of the four emergencies.

He is good value in the Magpies and is helping out our young mids, by taking the pressure of the big bodied experienced SANFL mids, which lets the younger lighter framed guys have a decent go in there like Mead, Schofield, Farrell, Woodcock, Fredrick, Burgoyne, McEntee, Williams and the SANFL contracted players who get a run thru the midfield.

I'd have no problems if the club gave him a 2 year deal.

 

[Sleezy]

Say what you like about Sam "Little-Dix" Mayes, he is a score involvement machine!

	SI	Disp	%
Mayes	11	13	85%
Rozee	21	48	44%
Motlop	19	44	43%
Marshall	12	28	43%
Georgiades	15	46	33%
Lycett	17	56	30%
Drew	20	72	28%
Mead	13	48	27%
Houston	25	95	26%
SPP	17	65	26%
Amon	24	99	24%
Boak	28	134	21%
Butters	16	92	17%
DBJ	16	92	17%
Burton	13	82	16%
Wines	16	102	16%
Bonner	13	102	13%

 

[philthy05]

Say what you like about Sam "Little-Dix" Mayes, he is a score involvement machine!

	SI	Disp	%
Mayes	11	13	85%
Rozee	21	48	44%
Motlop	19	44	43%
Marshall	12	28	43%
Georgiades	15	46	33%
Lycett	17	56	30%
Drew	20	72	28%
Mead	13	48	27%
Houston	25	95	26%
SPP	17	65	26%
Amon	24	99	24%
Boak	28	134	21%
Butters	16	92	17%
DBJ	16	92	17%
Burton	13	82	16%
Wines	16	102	16%
Bonner	13	102	13%

It’s a very good result on paper

But …

I have some questions about that stat.

Ie , sample size

And what does that percentage represent? Is it disposals / score involvement ratio? Players further up the ground, or playing deep then going up the ground occasionally will have a lower %.

Cause small sample size plus a player playing deep would explain that.

Ie if you come into a game as sub and have 1 touch, and it’s a score involvement you would be running at 100%.

Reckon that stat could be written off to small amount of time on the ground so far this season and has played deep for that small amount of time.

Unless I’m reading it wrong.

 

[Sleezy]

It’s a very good result on paper

But …

I have some questions about that stat.

Ie , sample size

And what does that percentage represent? Is it disposals / score involvement ratio? Players further up the ground, or playing deep then going up the ground occasionally will have a lower %.

Cause small sample size plus a player playing deep would explain that.

Ie if you come into a game as sub and have 1 touch, and it’s a score involvement you would be running at 100%.

Reckon that stat could be written off to small amount of time on the ground so far this season and has played deep for that small amount of time.

Unless I’m reading it wrong.

Yep - you can see that from all the forwards being around the 40% mark, mids around the 22% mark, and defenders at the 15% mark.

If I was to go a little deeper and strip scoring shots from the forwards, i wonder what it would look like?

 

[Sleezy]

It’s a very good result on paper

But …

I have some questions about that stat.

Ie , sample size

And what does that percentage represent? Is it disposals / score involvement ratio? Players further up the ground, or playing deep then going up the ground occasionally will have a lower %.

Cause small sample size plus a player playing deep would explain that.

Ie if you come into a game as sub and have 1 touch, and it’s a score involvement you would be running at 100%.

Reckon that stat could be written off to small amount of time on the ground so far this season and has played deep for that small amount of time.

Unless I’m reading it wrong.

Here's some more useless stats lol:

Player	SI	Disp	%	G	B	GA	Shots	SI - Shots	D - Shots	% - Shots	Impact	Impact %
Mayes	11	13	85%	2	4	2	6	5	7	71%	33	2.538462
Marshall	12	28	43%	6	0	1	7	5	21	24%	47	1.678571
Motlop	19	44	43%	5	0	2	5	14	39	36%	56	1.272727
Georgiades	15	46	33%	4	5	1	9	6	37	16%	41	0.891304
Rozee	21	48	44%	2	4	1	6	15	42	36%	37	0.770833
SPP	17	65	26%	4	3	2	7	10	58	17%	49	0.753846
Houston	25	95	26%	4	4	2	8	17	87	20%	57	0.6
Drew	20	72	28%	2	1	2	3	17	69	25%	42	0.583333
Lycett	17	56	30%	2	0	0	2	15	54	28%	27	0.482143
Mead	13	48	27%	0	0	1	0	13	48	27%	19	0.395833
Amon	24	99	24%	1	7	1	8	16	91	18%	35	0.353535
Boak	28	134	21%	1	2	1	3	25	131	19%	39	0.291045
Butters	16	92	17%	0	1	1	1	15	91	16%	22	0.23913
Wines	16	102	16%	0	3	1	3	13	99	13%	22	0.215686
Bonner	13	102	13%	0	0	1	0	13	102	13%	19	0.186275
DBJ	16	92	17%	0	1	0	1	15	91	16%	16	0.173913
Burton	13	82	16%	0	2	0	2	11	80	14%	13	0.158537

Impact the sum of the following:
Goal = 6pts
Goal Assist = 6 points
Behind = 1 point
Score Involvement = 1 point

Impact % is Impact/Disposals.

• Every Mayes Disposal is worth 2.3 Impacts.
• Every Boak Disposal is worth 0.3 Impacts.
• Whatever the * that means.
• For reference:

Player	SI	Disp	%	G	B	GA	Shots	SI - Shots	D - Shots	% - Shots	Impact	Impact %
Petracca	30	123	24%	3	6	5	9	21	114	18%	75	0.609756
Hawkins	38	49	78%	13	8	7	21	17	28	61%	145	2.959184
Cripps	30	103	29%	7	1	0	8	22	95	23%	65	0.631068

 

[shewho]

It’s a very good result on paper

But …

I have some questions about that stat.

Ie , sample size

And what does that percentage represent? Is it disposals / score involvement ratio? Players further up the ground, or playing deep then going up the ground occasionally will have a lower %.

Cause small sample size plus a player playing deep would explain that.

Ie if you come into a game as sub and have 1 touch, and it’s a score involvement you would be running at 100%.

Reckon that stat could be written off to small amount of time on the ground so far this season and has played deep for that small amount of time.

Unless I’m reading it wrong.

Given the small amount of scoring we have done this year, a small sample size is all we got.

It is a stat that causes me to rethink Mayes’ position in the team. We need someone who will hit the scoreboard or help others to do it - he’s the best we have atm.

 

[chiwigi]

Jeezus wept!

 

[Sleezy]

Jeezus wept!

Ken Hinkley on seeing the above stats: Farken Sammy Mayes is the new Tommy Hawkins I reckon!

 

[Power Raid]

Say what you like about Sam "Little-Dix" Mayes, he is a score involvement machine!

	SI	Disp	%
Mayes	11	13	85%
Rozee	21	48	44%
Motlop	19	44	43%
Marshall	12	28	43%
Georgiades	15	46	33%
Lycett	17	56	30%
Drew	20	72	28%
Mead	13	48	27%
Houston	25	95	26%
SPP	17	65	26%
Amon	24	99	24%
Boak	28	134	21%
Butters	16	92	17%
DBJ	16	92	17%
Burton	13	82	16%
Wines	16	102	16%
Bonner	13	102	13%

Sammy Mayes reminds me of Sammy Gray

It isn't a negative, rather a trooper that delivers their best every week and every contest. The ceiling is what it is but they get into the 22 through effort and commitment.

 

[chiwigi]

I go to nearly every game like most here, but if Mayes is playing full forward again I may as well not bother!
And the misleading stats in here are hilarious!