SANFL rule changes to affect Magpies structure and contracted players.

Mods I think this topic deserves its own thread as the new rules can be easily accessed to this thread in the future rather than digging around a couple of threads. maybe those posts can be moved into here

The Club's Statement
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2018-10-02/statement-sanfl-rule-changes
THE PORT ADELAIDE Football Club acknowledges today’s SANFL Commission decision to adjust the rules as to how PAFC and AFC are able to attract contracted players to their respective lists.

The key elements of the approved rule changes, which will come into effect for season 2019, are:
  1. A $20,000 base payment salary cap (total) to retain contracted players, with a maximum of $4000 per player
  2. Access to all players in South Australia who are not on any other SANFL Club 1 – 40 lists, whether they have played at SANFL level or not in the last 18 months
  3. Access to AFL approved Next Generation Academy players in their draft year, after the Under 18 National Championships for four games
  4. Access to AFL approved Next Generation Academy players for the club’s SANFL contract list in the year after they are draft eligible
  5. A reduction in the age limit of the club’s “leadership player” to 26 years of age from off an AFL list
On the basis of these SANFL rule changes, Port Adelaide has determined it will no longer field an SANFL Reserves grade team.

Port Adelaide GM – Football Chris Davies believes the rule changes will provide an opportunity for the club to achieve sustained success at SANFL League level.

“We believe the rule changes will provide us with greater access to attract and retain talented players to be part of our SANFL contracted list and therefore provide us with a greater opportunity to win SANFL League premierships into the future,” said Davies.

“Port Adelaide has always strived to be as successful as possible at senior level in either the AFL or SANFL. Although it is disappointing to not field an SANFL Reserves grade team into the future we strongly believe these rule changes will give Port Adelaide the greatest opportunity for premiership success at SANFL League level.

Port Adelaide now has a junior program with the AFL’s Next Generation Academies that effectively has taken the role of the SANFL Reserves team and is likely to help us deliver talent onto our AFL lists over time.

“On behalf of the entire club, I thank all those involved in our SANFL Reserves program this year – players, coaches, support staff and volunteers – for their commitment and effort in a most challenging season. You are all part of the Port Adelaide family and are welcome back to our club at any time.”
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Davies said the most important element of the rule changes related to the club’s Next Generation Academy players.

“To now have access to our AFL approved Next Generation Academy players in their draft year, after the National Championships for four games, firstly gives us access to quality young talent in the final part of the season,” said Davies.

“But most significantly these players will now be able to come into our system from a young age and will be developed by us in conjunction with other SANFL programs. Moreover, they will also play for Port Adelaide before they get to draft age, giving us a further opportunity to assess their talent for our AFL list.

“And if our Next Generation Academy players are overlooked at the AFL Draft they are eligible to play for Port Adelaide in the SANFL the following season.”
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2018-10-02/statement-sanfl-rule-changes

SANFL's Statement
http://sanfl.com.au/news/2018/10/02/afl-clubs-supplementary-lists-pafc-academy-team/

The SA Football Commission today approved a series of changes to regulations for players on the Port Adelaide and Adelaide Football Clubs’ supplementary lists.

The process involved detailed consideration by the Commission, with the changes designed to enhance the attractiveness and quality of the SANFL Competition.

Intended to provide an opportunity for players who would otherwise be overlooked for selection on a SANFL senior list, the changes also relate to players involved with the Power and Crows’ Next Generation and Father-Son Academies.

‘’In making these changes we were determined to ensure that SANFL and its clubs continue to provide the best talent pathway opportunities to young South Australians, ensuring as many players as possible reach the AFL,’’ SANFL Football Operations Manager Tom Hurley said.

‘’It will ultimately increase the pool of talent at SANFL level, whilst maximising the resource available for talent development in this state. In that respect, it is important SANFL continues to make decisions on talent in South Australia, taking into account the ever-changing national framework.

“Importantly, SANFL Clubs will remain the primary talent development pathway for young South Australian males and females.”

Furthermore, it has also been agreed by both the Port Adelaide Football Club and SA Football Commission that PAFC no longer field a team in the SANFL Reserves competition.

As a result, from season 2019, the SANFL Reserves competition will become an eight-team competition.

“Having an even number of teams in the Reserves competition, which will now align with the eight-team Under 18 Torrens University Cup competition, will remove the need for a bye each week,’’ Hurley said.

‘’It will also provide for a more effective competition structure with respect to the fixturing of games across all grades of SANFL competition.’’

The SA Football Commission concluded the annual review of the licence conditions and list regulations pertaining to the Adelaide and Port Adelaide Football Club participation in the SANFL competition and has approved the following as players eligible for the AFL clubs supplementary lists:

  • Any South Australian player who is attaining the age of 19 or older and who is not on the Senior List of a SANFL Club (which is a list of 40 players).
  • One Leadership Player who has attained the age of twenty six (26) years prior to or during the calendar year in which he is first included on the supplementary list who has been on any AFL list in the season immediately prior.
  • A maximum of four players from interstate that have attained the age of 18 on January 1st in the year in which they are first included on the AFL club supplementary list (turning 19) but who have not attained the age of 21 on January 1st , each of which can be listed for a maximum of two seasons.
  • AFL approved Next Generation Academy (NGA) and Father Son players can be temporarily permitted during their 18th and 19th years (the years in which they are eligible for drafting with concessions) if nominated by the AFL club they are aligned to. It should be noted that this is subject to the player electing and agreeing to being nominated by AFC and PAFC for temporary permit.
    • In the 18th year, such a player can be permitted for a period of four games, but will not be eligible for a permit if they have already played League Football at their SANFL club. The SANFL Club will receive a fee in the sum of $2,500.
    • In the 19th year, a nominated NGA and Father Son player would be available for selection at AFC or PAFC only. At the conclusion of their 19th year SANFL club will have the right to list the player on their senior list. The SANFL Club will receive a fee, in addition to any fee received in the players 18th year, in the sum of $5,000.
Also, a player payment cap will be introduced for the AFC and PAFC in line with the other SANFL clubs, consisting of:
  • Match payments at a maximum of $400 per League match.
  • An upfront/base payment maximum (per individual) of $4,000.
  • Total upfront/base payments (collective) of not more than $20,000.
  • In addition, the Leadership Player can only be paid a maximum upfront/ base payment of $20,000 and match payments of $500 per match. If the player was drafted from a SANFL Club prior to his AFL listing, there will also be a transfer fee payable to the SANFL Club in the sum of $25,000, as is the case if the player were to play for any other SANFL Club.
The AFC and PAFC contracted supplementary list will include:
  • A maximum Contracted Supplementary List of 10 players (including NGA and father son players in their 19th year, such players in their 18th year would be excluded).
  • A contracted supplementary list player is protected and cannot transfer without consent of AFC or PAFC. Only supplementary list players can be paid a base or upfront payment. Contract period is limited to 12 months (or one season).
  • Any player otherwise eligible for the supplementary list can be registered to play on permit from their community club with AFC or PAFC. There is no limit on the number of permitted players.
The changes to the list regulations will provide developmental opportunities at the AFC and PAFC for South Australian Next Generation and Father Son eligible players and other aspirational players who are lacking opportunity at SANFL League level or who are not a part of the SANFL competition. It also allows for listing of interstate players that the AFL clubs have an interest in working with and whom they believe may develop into players who could be listed on their AFL lists.

The changes will ultimately increase the pool of SANFL League quality players and maximise the resource of AFC and PAFC for South Australian talent development. It has also been agreed by the PAFC and the SA Football Commission that the PAFC will no longer field a team in the SANFL Reserves competition. This results in an eight team Reserves competition for season 2019.


KT's CEO explanation
Dear Members and Supporters,

Back in 2013, our Club was faced with a very serious decision. We recognised the undeniable need to combine our AFL and SANFL programs, to ensure that the development of our players was consistent and of the highest standard through the access provided to the entire list to all of our elite coaches and resources.

To achieve this goal we needed to accept that as an AFL Club, we could have no access to footballers under the age of 18, as per AFL regulation. The decision to dismantle the Club’s much loved junior programs was made, to enable us to combine the AFL and SANFL senior programs under the one coaching umbrella. There is no doubt in my mind, that this decision has been a success.

The unity created through this program has seen our SANFL league team compete in two Grand Finals since 2014, and has enhanced the development of many of our established AFL players today. It has also enabled the entire coaching group to actively promote what it means to represent the Port Adelaide Football Club at both the AFL and SANFL level, which was difficult to achieve in the earlier divided program.

At the meeting held in the indoor training facility in 2013, to outline this new structure to 700 concerned members, I also discussed the Club’s commitment to modernize our approach to junior development, to ensure that our long history of creating a pathway for young players to join Port Adelaide could be maintained.

I outlined a plan that involved the creation of Academies that would enable us to develop and foster relationships with young players searching for an opportunity to play for our Club in the AFL or SANFL.

In 2019, we will have in excess of 140 boys and girls actively involved in our academy programs.
* We have a Next Generation Academy which may harvest two AFL draftees this year,
* we run boys and girls Aboriginal Academies in conjunction with SAASTA,
* our Father/Son program currently involves talented junior players such as Taj Schofield, Trent Burgoyne, Tex Wanganeen, Jackson Mead and several others,
* plus we are preparing to enter the SANFLW Super series in 2019 which will be the development platform for our entry into the AFLW competition in 2021 or 2022.

An additional 100 young players from our SANFL development zone also receive access to our coaches and facilities as part of our broader commitment to the development of football in this state. It is an exciting and excellent program of junior development providing these talented young players with access to the elite level coaching available at our Club.

But not every aspect of our new world plan, as outlined in 2013, has proven to be sustainable.

You may have heard in the past few hours that we have decided not to continue with our SANFL reserves team next year. We agonize over these types of decisions. The idea of diminishing our football program in any way is always the last resort. The need for change, however, has been emerging over the past two seasons.

In 2017, Port Adelaide had an incredibly low number of injuries to its AFL and Magpies senior list. Whilst terrific at the AFL level, the availability of virtually all AFL listed players for most of the year meant that many of our contracted Magpies players including Steve Summerton, Louis Sharrad, Tom Gray, Anthony Biemans and others were forced to play SANFL reserves football through the year. These guys are legitimate senior players in the SANFL, and despite their deep love for the Club, quite rightly felt aggrieved that they were not able to play in the Magpies league side.

As a result, many of these senior players decided to play elsewhere in 2018, continuing a trend that we have found difficult to counter over the past five years.

Then, this season we had the opposite problem, where our injury list was high.

This severely exposed our lack of experience at both the Magpies and Magpies reserves level resulting in both teams being largely uncompetitive for most of the year. The impact of this was most acutely felt at the reserves level where the team remained brave all year but faced almost insurmountable odds and heavy defeats all season.

Further refinement of the program was required, to ensure that we gave ourselves the best possible opportunity to win premierships at the AFL and SANFL senior level.

Several significant rule changes have been negotiated with the SANFL, which will be hugely beneficial to our senior programs:

• $20,000 base payment salary cap to retain our contracted Magpies players. Their current rate of pay is uncompetitive.
• Access to all players not currently on an SANFL 1-40 list, whether they have played at SANFL level in the past 18 months or not.
• Access to AFL approved Next Generation players in their draft year, after the under 18 Championships
• Access to these players, if they are not drafted, for no transfer fee.
• Reduction in the age of our leadership player to 26 (currently 28) from an AFL list.

We believe these changes will significantly improve our ability to field a highly competitive SANFL League team.

We do not, however, believe that the changes provide enough scope to ensure that we are able to field a competitive reserves team on a sustainable basis.

As I said earlier, the decision to not field a reserves team from 2019 was not taken lightly. We fought hard for this structure in 2013.

But I think the decision needs to be viewed through a different lens.

Rather than a sign of a diminishing SANFL program, I see this as part of the evolution of the Port Adelaide Football Club as a powerful, modern professional Football Club which is focused on building the best program possible to achieve its two primary aims… to win AFL and SANFL premierships.

I have absolutely no doubt that the changes outlined today to our SANFL program, together with the ongoing development of our elite junior pathways, will provide us with the best possible opportunity to achieve these worthy goals.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the players, coaches and support staff involved in the reserves program this year…as difficult as it was, I thought the commitment by all was exemplary. It is our intention to ensure that everyone involved in supporting the reserves program remain actively involved in the Club if they so desire. Knowing the calibre of people involved, I feel sure that they will!

I’m sure there will be many questions, and I will ensure that we provide ample opportunity over the coming weeks to provide as much detail as is required to help you understand how the new structure will help strengthen our Club in future years.

I look forward to speaking to you again soon…there are many new developments to share as we prepare to climb the mountain again!!

We are Port Adelaide.

KT
 
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''Scuse my ignorance but what does this mean?

the 19th year, a nominated NGA and Father Son player would be available for selection at AFC or PAFC only. At the conclusion of their 19th year SANFL club will have the right to list the player on their senior list. The SANFL Club will receive a fee, in addition to any fee received in the players 18th year, in the sum of $5,000.

So the father son can play for us but then they can be taken by the Sanfl club they play for as juniors(because we can't have juniors) ? Or a typo with where they have Sanfl after 19 th year they mean AFL?
 

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I'm pretty sure the club didn't want the academy side in the SANFool, is this right and what are reasons for this.

• $20,000 base payment salary cap to retain our contracted Magpies players. Their current rate of pay is uncompetitive.
• Access to all players not currently on an SANFL 1-40 list, whether they have played at SANFL level in the past 18 months or not.
• Access to AFL approved Next Generation players in their draft year, after the under 18 Championships
• Access to these players, if they are not drafted, for no transfer fee.
• Reduction in the age of our leadership player to 26 (currently 28) from an AFL list.

all of these can only help the strength of the SANFL. Why are they allowing this has to be the burning question.
 

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Can’t we just forget about the SANFL already... it’s ran it’s race and just so insignificant to the overwhelming majority of PAFC members!
 
Here is a list of 42 players in the SANFL in 2018 ie 2 full sides who have spent time at Alberton in various sides over the years and are playing for 9 other SANFL clubs. Thanks to RossFC for the raw data a couple of months ago. I still have to add the guys that left post Reunification in September 2013 and are no longer on SANFL lists like Bruggerman and Beard

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Academy gone, 15 SANFL players down to 10?
Yep, but if we say have 12 NGA + Father Son players who are 18 in 2020, we get the opportunity to play all 12 of them after the U/18 championships for 4 games each and then next year (2021) ie when they turn 19, they can be signed up BUT as one of the 10 contracted players and we can play them as well. The following year they get released to a SANFL club if they dont get drafted or move interstate.

We have a few for 2019 but I dont know the exact numbers.
 
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Only SA players is new too, or am I reading that incorrectly?
At end of 2014 after we took Biemens and someone else from interstate, the rule changed and was only SA players for 2 or 3 years then they changed the rules again and let kids not drafted I think 2 or 3 was the max and they could come from interstate if they missed out on the draft. Davidson from GC Academy and Davis from Bendigo Pioneers were 2 we signed up this year.

The SANFL statement says
  • A maximum of four players from interstate that have attained the age of 18 on January 1st in the year in which they are first included on the AFL club supplementary list (turning 19) but who have not attained the age of 21 on January 1st , each of which can be listed for a maximum of two seasons.
 
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It is a lot to digest. If I got this right, basically, SANFL wants us to develop, but not field players.

We have gained an improvement roster-salary budget, a larger pool for selection, but I don't see much else that favours us. We even need to pay the clubs for developing players for them!?
 
''Scuse my ignorance but what does this mean?

the 19th year, a nominated NGA and Father Son player would be available for selection at AFC or PAFC only. At the conclusion of their 19th year SANFL club will have the right to list the player on their senior list. The SANFL Club will receive a fee, in addition to any fee received in the players 18th year, in the sum of $5,000.

So the father son can play for us but then they can be taken by the Sanfl club they play for as juniors(because we can't have juniors) ? Or a typo with where they have Sanfl after 19 th year they mean AFL?

I believe it means that if they are 19 and nominated at the start of the year by the club, then they can play the season with Port, but at the end of the season, if not drafted, they can no longer play for Port and must go back to their original SANFL club.
 
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It is a lot to digest. If I got this right, basically, SANFL wants us to develop, but not field players.

We have gained an improvement roster-salary budget, a larger pool for selection, but I don't see much else that favours us. We even need to pay the clubs for developing players for them!?

Agreed it is a lot to digest GP, and I'm not getting too carried away with the changes just yet either, because as the ancient saying goes, `all that glistens is not gold!'

Maybe I'm just a cantankerous old campaigner, but I will wait and see the quality of top up players the changes will, or won't attract, before giving them a :thumbsu: or :thumbsdown:.
 
Is says 10 contracted, but we can select as many others from a community club as required on permit, ie. No limit.
Where did the SANFL say that in their statement?
 

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Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

For me I see a raft of concerns.

1. Having the reserves, no matter how uncompetitive, meant that the Magpies had players ready to go as backups. The Power should be aiming for an average injury list of 5 as a maximum, which means that roughly we should only be using 3-5 contracted players per week. So where do our contracted guys play while waiting for a crack.

2. If our team is well managed and we have luck, we may well end up with a full team of Power reserves, and as such what will happen to the extra Power players that don't get selected for either team? In the past permits were granted for them to get games in the reserves. Whilst an unusual circumstance, it happened what 3-4 times in 2017, and if you include the games Summo missed, it was probably more than that.

3. They say we have a little more money to retain players, but I find it hard to imagine that a lot of our contracted players will be that excited about switching between an amateur side they barely train with, and the Magpies lineup.

4. Once our current group of Magpies reserves disappears, our only development pathway is the NGA academy, which doesn't really deliver traditional Magpie lads in the way the current reserves do. Instead it is only those minorities who qualify for the NGA. I fear for what this means regarding the quality of our top ups, and our ability to develop lesser likes into SANFL contributors. Ie. Kluske, Ortiz, Proude.

5. Premierships. In years gone by it has become obvious our only chance of winning a SANFL flag is to have a near injury free, and consistent year of selections for the Power, where as many players qualify for the Magpies as possible. However additionally it is just as crucial that we have 5 top quality top ups ready to go. In the old scenario, we could have those 5 playing in the reserves, in the same system, even if they weren't getting SANFL games. Now they'll be at some amateur club. For me I think that's a big loss.

6. Lowering the leader age, to me just screams out that we're going to use Trengove as our captain next year IMO.


Ultimately, I don't see any major changes that'll gain much for the Magpies. If anything I think these factors clearly will have a slightly negative effect. I feel like all of these changes have been made with benefit for the Power and Power only. While I don't necessarily have a massive issue with that. I do still dream of winning SANFL and AFL flags, and I think the former looks extremely unrealistic now. The Power will gain some real predraft insight into a lot of draft candidates, will be able to fast track some of their development and may get some bonuses in terms of mature age recruiting/development.
 
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I believe it means that if they are 19 and nominated at the start of the year by the club, then they can play the season with Port, but at the end of the season, if not drafted, they can no longer play for Port and must go back to their original SANFL club.
Or it means that even if the SANFLcub dont want him they can ask for another 25k from Port.

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I believe it means that if they are 19 and nominated at the start of the year by the club, then they can play the season with Port, but at the end of the season, if not drafted, they can no longer play for Port and must go back to their original SANFL club.

So if we have a father son that is not quite good enough for AFL but will make a good honest sanfool player we can't keep him at the club that he has ties too?.

Great way to build a culture.
 

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Where did the SANFL say that in their statement?

I read part 3 of this section as we have 10 players, but if need be we can get players from community clubs on a permit release.


The AFC and PAFC contracted supplementary list will include:
  • A maximum Contracted Supplementary List of 10 players (including NGA and father son players in their 19th year, such players in their 18th year would be excluded).
  • A contracted supplementary list player is protected and cannot transfer without consent of AFC or PAFC. Only supplementary list players can be paid a base or upfront payment. Contract period is limited to 12 months (or one season).
  • Any player otherwise eligible for the supplementary list can be registered to play on permit from their community club with AFC or PAFC. There is no limit on the number of permitted players.
 
I read part 3 of this section as we have 10 players, but if need be we can get players from community clubs on a permit release.
Thanks I think I missed the community bit and saw that relating to the NGA + Father son players but I got that bit wrong.

Ok now off to find a Tom Stewart type player at one of these community clubs.
 
Does this mean we can field our own academy team in the Ammos and permit players from there?

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Wouldn't mind having an Academy side in div 1 and playing home games as a curtain raiser before Maggies games.
 
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